UKGTR Season 5 GT1 Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 19

[Simon Gymer]

I agree and that's why I've been searching alternate lines.

To me that is the best part of racing battles too. A lot of the time it can be more fun behind than infront (no rude comments please!  ) for the trial of working out how to pass someone. Easy overtakes are far less enjoyable than really having to work at it and come up with something clever to get the move done. 

[Truetom]

Oops! Double post!    Sorted.    Was modifying to make it sensible and readable and it happened. 

TT

[Mark J]

I think what he's trying to say is 'The Mc12 is under-powered'  

Last night certainly highlighted it for me on the two main straights, where i could be right behind the 3 car gaggle in the twisties but by the end of the straight i would be about 1-1.5 secs behind again, only to close up through the esses etc.
But i guess thats the beauty of everyone taking different models, they all have their strengths and weaknesses at different tracks. Except the 550 which still blows most away.
How about upping the spec of certain engines to bring them up to date a little? ie the Massa in the game is the first generation model, that got significantly developed each season it was used. There is even a 2007 spec Maserati mod available i believe? Not that i would want to see everyone picking that car if it became quicker.
And yes i also know, that your reluctant to introduce modded cars, but we should also move forward and develop our sim racing if it makes it more interesting/competitive.

[Truetom]

MJ, you could be my personal interpreter. 

I agree with all you saying different cars have different abilities and that's how the cookie crumbles what makes the racing fun.    A look at the Sprint standings tells you yet another truth and MJs post has touched the gist of it.     (Is that the right word, gist, is it?) 

TT

[Mark J]

It is the right word TT 

Just want to clarify my earlier post, i'm not looking for any advantage for the Massa because thats what i and TT (and Picnic) drive, i'd be happy to see any/all of the cars updated to newer season specs if it was feasible/easy to implement. For instance the Lambo is a really strong car this season in FIA GT, and i would still love to see the Astons thrown into the mix 
Other cars like the Marcos LM300?, the F430 and Ultimates are also allegedly near completion on the mod circuit.

[Kerr]

Each car has different characteristics. The Viper and 550 were faster down the straights than the Lambo as well as the MC12 but the Lambo is better through the corner and out of it and the MC12 is better into the corner and through it. You need to work out someway of making it your advantage. The Viper was quicker down the straights but it didn't blow people away, it's all very close and we don't know what each other's wing settings were either. I was running 2-10 for example but I've no idea what the cars around me were running.

You maybe wanted to try and follow Ruskus then! He was struggling with tyres at the end and I was right behind him.

Making sure I was getting good exit speed, sometimes higher than him, as soon as that Viper opened up away it went. Even using his slipstream and after a better run out of the last corner I must have lost 0.4 tenths easily making it impossible to overtake under braking.

The Lambo was much quicker in the corners though, but often the only chance of a pass is for another driver to make a mistake.

I was actually happy especially with my lack of practice on this track with my performance. Car felt very nice and stable apart form a couple of times I hit the kerb at the chicane.

Hopefully after A couple of more laps and a tweak of gear ratio's, exit was a bit low on revs at a couple of corners, hopefully I can find a few more tenths.

Looking forward to Sunday.

Well done Ruskus on championship win

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

The problem with messing with anything beyond weight - which is used as an equaliser in the real world - is that if you take it to it's logical conlusion, you end up with every car using the 550's phyics. Hardly a desirable situation.

This isn't the right thread to be having this discussion in though and nearer to season 6 we will need (and have) a discussion about car classes and performance balancing. I was hoping that the DBR9 would be officially available by then but it still seems to be in stasis.

[Simon Gymer]

A look at the Sprint standings tells you yet another truth and MJs post has touched the gist of it. 

It does? All it shows me is that what are probably the fastest 3 guys (that turn up for most rounds) are at the top. We know Jeff wins in everything and anything, Viper, Vette whatever so all it shows it the speed of the guys at the front is superior to the most. In fact if anything it shows a nice balance of cars, Jeff has driven the Saleen and Viper, Leuven the F550 and FreQ the Lambo. 3 different cars at the front.

Anyway, as Gizmo says I guess this is another discussion, so I best  it now. 

Roll on the GT2 Sprint race as the TVR should be a hoot round Oschers, not sure about fast, but I will definitely enjoy driving it around this type of circuit.

[Truetom]

A look at the Sprint standings tells you yet another truth and MJs post has touched the gist of it. 

It does? All it shows me is that what are probably the fastest 3 guys (that turn up for most rounds) are at the top. We know Jeff wins in everything and anything, Viper, Vette whatever so all it shows it the speed of the guys at the front is superior to the most. In fact if anything it shows a nice balance of cars, Jeff has driven the Saleen and Viper, Leuven the F550 and FreQ the Lambo. 3 different cars at the front.

Anyway, as Gizmo says I guess this is another discussion, so I best  it now. 

Roll on the GT2 Sprint race as the TVR should be a hoot round Oschers, not sure about fast, but I will definitely enjoy driving it around this type of circuit.

I meant manufacturer standing, Shark.     

TT

[Kerr]

At the end of the day I suppose it's unfair to say a driver has an advantage because the car he drives.

Everybody has the same choice of cars and if you feel that somebody has an advantage because they drive a faster car, then choose the same car and have the same advantage.

I have been considering a change for a while as trying to get better perfomances. I find that I can go quicker at times in some cars but don't feel as comfortable as I do in the Lambo. I find I have most fun in the Lambo and make less mistakes too.

I found a few races I was getting eaten alive by the 550's straightline speed but last night the track was a Lambo track.

I'm still new to many tracks and still learning a lot, but it's hard to say over a whole season if one car has a big margin.

If the Lambo had has just a wee bit more power though........

I would like to see more car manufacturers. They must offer something to the game though

[Truetom]

At the end of the day I suppose it's unfair to say a driver has an advantage because the car he drives.

I wouldn't want the discussion to go down that alley, as I wasn't talking about that AT ALL! 
Previous post modified to exclude all non-clear meanings. 

TT

[Gazza49er]

Thanks Kerr and Jure for your kind words, and yes Kerr i will be back for the clubmen endurance, just need to get some front end grip sorted lol. 

When i was practicing offline i did use the skin pack from here with the weight differences.

Anyway i was very impressed with how everything worked and how nice people were so i hope to be around for some time 

[Simon Gymer]

BTW, what tyres was everyone else on? I took medium-mediums as usual for GT1 racing, but my fronts weren't at optimum temperatures and I had little wear after 40 mins (not even half way). I thought Oschers with all it's corners would be hard on tyres, but that was quite a surprise, perhaps I wasn't driving as on the edge as I could have as I wanted to not make any mistakes.

[Jure]

medium-hard using this setup click click http://freeweb.siol.net/rbedenk1/F550MHRC.rar

could do with 2kPa higher pressure imho. try it.

edit: TT, what happened to you on last lap?

[Truetom]

I quit, Jure, disgusted by my driving abilities and mistakes on this track. 
I take this as on-line practice session for Endurance anyway. 
I was running meds, Shark and I also found the tyres good at the end. I wonder how the softs would go here... 

TT