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July 08, 2007, 09:03:08 PM +0100 - Magny-Cours (GP) - UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
BACKO
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 5 +2.727
105.343mph
1 (+20) 1:20:46.760
102.715mph
50 1:32.650
107.466mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980003) GT1 1 1:31.790
108.473mph
2 +46.573
101.738mph
50 1:33.120
106.924mph
Michelin +13.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 2 +1.794
106.394mph
3 +1:00.593
101.447mph
50 1:33.922
106.011mph
Michelin +25.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Maserati MC12 (#870001) GT1 4 +2.053
106.100mph
4 +1:39.006
100.659mph
50 1:34.338
105.543mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R (#910001) GT1 6 +2.939
105.108mph
5 +1L
100.309mph
49 1:34.387
105.488mph
Michelin -15.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 7 +5.297
102.555mph
6 +12.723
100.048mph
49 1:34.222
105.673mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Nevski
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 993 GT2 (#3012) G2 8 +7.041
100.745mph
7 +3L
95.448mph
47 1:36.773
102.887mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 12 +10.547
97.294mph
8 +4L
93.405mph
46 1:41.731
97.873mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 15 +11.676
96.232mph
9 +8.404
93.245mph
46 1:43.136
96.540mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 17 +13.306
94.739mph
10 +2:06.270
91.060mph
46 1:42.650
96.997mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 10 +10.343
97.488mph
11 +5L
92.077mph
45 1:42.691
96.958mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4124) GT3 18 +13.690
94.394mph
12 +1.362
92.051mph
45 1:43.445
96.251mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
pribeiro
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 22 +16.690
91.784mph
13 +47.722
91.182mph
45 1:44.671
95.124mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Joss
 Team Shark
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 20 +14.379
93.782mph
14 +1:04.511
90.872mph
45 1:44.091
95.654mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 21 +14.707
93.493mph
15 +1:07.649
90.814mph
45 1:44.954
94.868mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4123) GT3 13 +11.267
96.614mph
16 45 1:43.183
96.496mph
unknown
Pirelli +10.0kg
Splintheter
 
BMW M3 GTR (#4142) GT2 11 +10.491
97.347mph
17 +8L
84.560mph
42 1:42.223
97.402mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Maserati MC12 (#950008) GT1 3 +1.817
106.367mph
18 +23L 27 1:34.294
105.592mph
fuel
Pirelli -20.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#760052) GT2 9 +9.726
98.080mph
19 +26L 24 1:41.702
97.901mph
unknown
Pirelli -10.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 19 +13.754
94.337mph
20 +31L 19 1:44.287
95.474mph
unknown
Pirelli +10.0kg
Gomes Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 16 +12.067
95.870mph
21 +36L 14 1:42.482
97.156mph
unknown
Michelin +20.0kg
will16v
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4088) GT2 23 +19.834
89.199mph
22 +43L 7 1:46.501
93.490mph
unknown
Dunlop +20.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 14 +11.286
96.596mph
23 +49L 1 2:42.557
61.251mph
unknown
Dunlop -25.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 261s

As the field approach the start finish line to start the race, Backo who is in 4th place, turns off his pit limiter and his speed becomes a little erratic.
As the race begins Backo, maybe thinking the limiter was on already, pushes the pit limiter button again and turns on the limiter, and slows down just as the rest of the field are ready to accelerate. Amazingly there is no pile-up, largely down to the quick reaction of the cars behind.

  • BACKOwarning — failure to follow the start procedure


Server replay time: 1161s

Backo is closing to lap Adam Parle as the as they drive up the hill towards Adelaide. Adam stays out wide and lets Backo through without delay, but as they exit the hairpin Backo moves across the track, almost as if he'd forgotten that Adam was there.
Adam goes as wide as possible and in fact gets two wheels on the grass to avoid an incident. Backo should really have left more room, especially to a backmarker who had just got out of his way so effectively.

  • BACKOpenalty — avoidable contact with Adam Parle — 2 places lost (plus 8 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 1639s

Backo has been following Brian Kerr for several laps. As they brake down into Adelaide Brian takes the defensive inside line. This allows Backo to get a better exit and on the run down to the chicane Backo pulls alongside. Backo actually gets his nose ahead before turn in and takes the position.
This is not normally an overtaking spot and this move seemed to surprise Brian, who had to scoot across the grasscrete after running out of track. |He then slides back onto the track and into the side of Backo who was taking a very tight line. Backo should have allowed more room considering the risky nature of the overtake; this could have prevented the contact.
However Backo had legally made the pass, even though it was a risky one, and Brian should have backed out of it when Backo got his nose ahead.

  • BACKOcaution — leave more room when alonside another car
  • Kerr (Brian Kerr)advice — a corner is lost if the overtaker is ahead by the turn in point


Server replay time: 1644s

Immediately after this they approach the 180 corner and Backo is on the outside of Brian and tries to outbrake around the wider line. Backo turns in too early though and contacts with the nose of Brian's car resulting in slight contact, and Backo runs wide losing the position.

  • BACKOwarning — leave more room when alonside another car


Server replay time: 1672s

Backo eventually catches up with Brian again and after closing up through the Senna chicane, he tries a late move up the inside into Chateau d'Eau.
Backo was a bit behind when he started the move and didn't get alongside before turn in.
Brian turns in as normal and there is contact with Backo taking the position.

  • BACKOpenalty — over ambitious overtake — 2 places lost (plus 8 for penalty points)

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
G2
1:36.773
102.887mph
Nevski
Race
Porsche 993 GT2July 08, 2007, 09:03:08 PM +0100
U5Ec
GTR2
GT3
1:42.337
97.294mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé
+10.0kg
July 08, 2007, 09:03:08 PM +0100
U5Ec
GTR2
GT3
1:41.731
97.873mph
Jeffrey
Race
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé
+10.0kg
July 08, 2007, 09:03:08 PM +0100
U5Ec
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2007, 10:52:13 PM +0100 »

Replay and provisional results and standings

Mods will probably need to look at this as Jure is marked as DQ  Undecided
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2007, 10:52:45 PM +0100 »

A race of two halves for me. Started on mediums and gradually slipped backwards as the temperature dropped and the dark clouds gathered. The plan was to run until the tank was nearly dry, then pit for softs and a splash and make a sprint race out of the second stint, also hedging my bets against the possibility of rain.

Unfortunately the weather went the wrong way, getting colder during the first stint and then heating up again after my stop. The softs were a lot quicker and and I got within about 6 seconds of Picnic in 4th, but they went off big time with about 6 minutes to go and that was the end of my challenge.

A big thank you to everyone who I lapped, generous to a fault each and every one of you. Very good to see the front car in several two car battles allow me by in such a way as to resume their own battle too. Cool
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2007, 10:54:55 PM +0100 »

Congratulations Backo.
I had one of the most enjoyable race ever yes
I believe we had 40 mnts of an intense, clean and fair bumper to bumper fight Darren,
great no mistake driving mate thumbup2
And the top of the race was, when i left pits and Darren and FreQ were 5 meters behind me helpsmilie
scared as hell, but fun as...........hell?! blink
Thanks all for the fun,
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Yep, one of my most enjoyable races in a long time.  Great Driving mate, relentless pressure.  I knew you were faster but there was no way you were getting the inside line.  Tongue

I was enjoying myself so much that I stayed out 5 laps past my scheduled stop.  I just didn't want it to end.  This was maybe a mistake as my tyres were screwed by that point and you eventually got by.  After I pitted I managed to put in a few fast laps (for me anyway  Tongue)  This was enough to just squeeze past FreQ while he was in the pits.  From then on is was a carbon copy of the first half.  FreQ was all over me, but again that inside line was me.  Grin  Great driving FreQ.  thumbup1

Then crossing the S/F line I saw you (pribeiro) leaving the pits.  I frantically tried to get my nose in front but just fell short.  I knew that was my chance gone and you would soon be off down the road, but at least there was still FreQ behind me.  Grin

I managed to keep him behind me for a few more laps, but it was only a matter of time.  Eventually FreQ got past after a poor exit to a corner after letting a GT1 guy past.  Great move mate.  thumbup1

Over the dying minutes I could see FreQ was struggling with his tyres, but I could never get close enough with the big boys lapping me every 10 seconds Cheesy

Great racing guys.

Congrats to the class winners....  
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2007, 11:06:55 PM +0100 »

Started on 100L fuel and medium-medium, race went fine, pace was OK enough to pull out a lead on the cars behind me except for BACKO who came screaming down my neck so fast I've promptly let him go by to go catch Kerr (who was pulling away from me). Plan worked.  Grin

Long first stint should give me a short pit stop, but had a 57.smthn stop, came out 4th, someone else had to pit and I was back to 3rd, finishing some 15 seconds behind 2nd and some 30 seconds lead on 4th.

Great race tonight, enjoyed it a lot. Congrats to Backo and Kerr, great pace.

After race end I spun the car around at the back straight and went back to Estoril, hence DQ. Sorry for the inconvenience.  Roll Eyes angel
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2007, 11:18:53 PM +0100 »



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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2007, 11:22:39 PM +0100 »

well, just watched the replay of my race, (only took a minute) and still have no idea what went wrong Huh

only thing I can see is perhaps having to brake a little hard to try and avoid tailending the car in front and the fronts slipping sending me sideways into him instead....(sorry). how it managed to flip me and send me sailing though the air I will never know.

ah well, back to the practice board Sad

congrats to the podiums,

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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2007, 11:22:57 PM +0100 »

Always enjoy Magny and tonight was no exception.
Received a huge shunt into Adelaide on lap 1 which re-arranged the Porsche's handling. Took a bit of getting used to but didn't slow it down too much at all. Then had a great scrap with Shark in the first stint, where I really had to be careful into Adelaide and Chateau d'Eau or he'd of nipped past. Sad to see you spin in the mirror as it was looking like a good scrap and I think you would have got past - I had 90L in the tank so you would have got me under braking somewhere.

...... Check last race where Mo won the GT3 class in the Porka, due to it's much better fueleconomy.
Yep I snuck one in but that was mainly due to it being at Oschers where the GT3 has every advantage. I actually ran out of fuel with 1 to go tonight LOL, and its not the first time. The porker is heavier on juice than you think - tonight I put in enough fuel for 90 mins and still ran out. The fuel calc is wrong imo.

I think on some tracks tyre wear is a bigger issue in the Viper - I think it was Dubai where I almost caught you and Shark in the Vipers because your tyres were shot. I drove a perfect race with no mistakes, and assuming you did too, then that makes them very equal on that track at least.
I think if you had driven the Gt3 you'd have beat me by a similar margin anyway, but at Oschers the Porsche is always going to win, and at Magny it'll be the Viper every time. Still it is nice to try and win on tactics but doesn't give much on track fun  Undecided
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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2007, 11:37:52 PM +0100 »

Thx for nice evening I really enjoyed.I didn't practice ,qualification suprice me (wet condition) and then disconection from server.I came back but was wet track and I coudn't do a lot(5th on grip).In the race I had nice battle with Kerr about position 1,after that I kept position and won my  5th race in the row. Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2007, 11:50:07 PM +0100 »

Well that was fun fight with Mo at first, then I made a mistake which put me into the clutches of TrueTom and we had our usual great scrap. Eventually he went off, so I slowed down to wait for him to have more fun, but dunno what happened cause TT you went off again somewhere and never saw you again.

Nice chase, Shark, as usual.  Cool   I had soft fronts which proved to be a mistake. Were grabbing the track greatly at first but as the pace was hard they were losing grip higher than any of my training laps. So when I was on the limit their timespan went down and I made mistakes. Thanks for waiting the first time. At the second spin you were 15 seconds ahead and I wasn't in the mood for another hour of hotlapping. 'ware the next time.  Grin

Grats for the champ win, Legends!  clap

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« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2007, 08:55:19 AM +0100 »

Jure's position now corrected in results.
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« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2007, 09:47:00 AM +0100 »

Not quite right. Check last race where Mo won the GT3 class in the Porka, due to it's much better fueleconomy. I had a better racepace, but I just lost too much in the pits. Almost the same happened this race, he won soooo much with the stops that I got behind him after the stops, eventhough I had a pretty big lead on him. So I find the CC and Porka pretty equal, not in a single lap, but over a long race, they are.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then. The point is we're not racing each other ON track and the final outcome is completely meaningless as there is no GT3 championship so one of the main points in racing at all in GT3 is to battle against each other (that and practice of the track). I also don't believe the Porker is competitive compared the Viper CC at all. It was 2 seconds a lap down on race pace on the Viper CC, that can't be made up with better fuel ecomony. Oschers is a special track because of very low fuel consumption and no straights for the Viper CC, but everywhere else it was very inferior (but more fun Tongue). The Viper CC should be in the GTC class imho with a weight help (something for Season 6?)

Then had a great scrap with Shark in the first stint, where I really had to be careful into Adelaide and Chateau d'Eau or he'd of nipped past. Sad to see you spin in the mirror as it was looking like a good scrap and I think you would have got past - I had 90L in the tank so you would have got me under braking somewhere.

Yeah strange that I'm usually poor on the brakes compared to most, but this time I was a lot better. I also like 180 corner (always one of my favorite corners as I like the back end first approach to braking and entering into it).

I probably could have pushed to catch you again but as I was scrapping with TT and it was too much fun so decided not to push up towards you and maybe be close in the 2nd half of the race.

Tonight I put in enough fuel for 90 mins and still ran out. The fuel calc is wrong imo.

I started with 84litres and had to top up to more than half of that at the pit stop too cause the fuel consumption was more than expected. I think I finished with just enough for one more lap.

Nice chase, Shark, as usual.  Cool   I had soft fronts which proved to be a mistake. Were grabbing the track greatly at first but as the pace was hard they were losing grip higher than any of my training laps. So when I was on the limit their timespan went down and I made mistakes. Thanks for waiting the first time. At the second spin you were 15 seconds ahead and I wasn't in the mood for another hour of hotlapping. 'ware the next time.  Grin

I raced soft front / medium rear too cause the fronts just weren't getting hot enough and the rears were "enjoying themselves".  Grin Was the perfect combo for that track and car for me.
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« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2007, 10:34:08 AM +0100 »

My fuel economy was higher than normal at both races so far at Magny.

I guess the different temperature had a bigger effect on my set up than raising the height. I ran mediums all round Tuesday and last night and they felt completely different cars. Could not brake as late, understeer a bit etc, so I guess so soft were the order of the day.

Watched replay and it's clear I'm still always losing too much time in traffic. After Backo got passed I could hold him, dropped a couple of seconds then started to really push and pulled right back in.

As soon as traffic was back in play I started losing ground and when a car came out the pit there was 4 of us trying to watch either other as not to collide. Ended up waiting on each other.

By that time I had already been served with a stop and go penalty, 2 poor bits of concentration and 1 I could do little about
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« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2007, 11:32:36 AM +0100 »

I started well with 100lt´s and Med/Med.

at Lap 13 i go to 1º in the GTC/GT2 class and at lap 15 lost connection,

Congratulations to the winners.
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2007, 02:11:15 PM +0100 »

Jure's position now corrected in results.

thx Gizmo, I apologise for any extra work I've caused.

made a mental note about it. you know... cross the line, hit escape, spin and ram cars offline only. Cheesy
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