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  • U5Ec Oschersleben: June 24, 2007
June 24, 2007, 09:02:58 PM +0100 - Oschersleben (GP) - UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
BACKO
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 2 +0.162
100.476mph
1 (+5) 1:20:17.747
95.130mph
56 1:22.099
99.687mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Maserati MC12 (#950008) GT1 5 +0.954
99.509mph
2 +51.971
94.115mph
56 1:22.985
98.623mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 4 +0.811
99.682mph
3 (+3) +1L
93.149mph
55 1:23.304
98.245mph
Michelin +25.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Maserati MC12 (#870001) GT1 3 +0.523
100.033mph
4 +19.321
92.778mph
55 1:23.034
98.564mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Nevski
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 993 GT2 (#3012) G2 8 +4.147
95.790mph
5 +2L
90.840mph
54 1:25.177
96.084mph
Dunlop  
Gomes Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 9 +6.554
93.165mph
6 +3L
88.797mph
53 1:28.487
92.490mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 11 +6.653
93.060mph
7 +4L
88.152mph
52 1:29.527
91.416mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4123) GT3 14 +7.904
91.755mph
8 +41.936
87.393mph
52 1:30.262
90.671mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 12 +7.512
92.160mph
9 +1:20.735
86.702mph
52 1:29.545
91.397mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 6 +1.563
98.777mph
10 52 1:23.264
98.292mph
suspension
Michelin +25.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4111) GT3 19 +9.821
89.825mph
11 +5L
86.439mph
51 1:30.996
89.940mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Nick Phillips
 Team Shark
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#3100) GTC 18 +8.773
90.870mph
12 (+1) +8.196
86.293mph
51 1:29.192
91.759mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
pribeiro
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 21 +10.518
89.143mph
13 +1:00.722
85.366mph
51 1:31.412
89.531mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 16 +8.594
91.051mph
14 +1:13.124
85.150mph
51 1:31.380
89.562mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#760052) GT2 17 +8.760
90.883mph
15 +6L
84.715mph
50 1:30.738
90.196mph
Pirelli -10.0kg
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 20 +9.849
89.797mph
16 +15.547
84.444mph
50 1:32.241
88.726mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Eddie Meyer
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 15 +8.489
91.157mph
17 +18.522
84.392mph
50 1:30.817
90.117mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 24 +11.175
88.509mph
18 +51.738
83.818mph
50 1:32.445
88.530mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
will16v
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4088) GT2 23 +10.772
88.897mph
19 +1:15.029
83.420mph
50 1:31.435
89.508mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
silver53
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R (#880001) GTC 22 +10.705
88.961mph
20 +7L
82.577mph
49 1:31.378
89.564mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 10 +6.573
93.145mph
21 49 1:29.615
91.326mph
unknown
Dunlop -25.0kg
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980003) GT1 1 1:21.292
100.676mph
22 +28L 28 1:22.440
99.274mph
unknown
Michelin +13.0kg
ossie
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#130263) GT1 7 +3.518
96.500mph
23 +33L 23 1:24.947
96.345mph
unknown
Michelin +13.0kg
LEUVEN
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 13 +7.884
91.776mph
24 +48L 8 1:30.021
90.914mph
accident
Dunlop +10.0kg
jan duijs
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 25 +13.310
86.512mph
25 +51L 5 1:32.709
88.278mph
unknown
Dunlop -10.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1019s

The Vertigo of Nick Phillips is behind Paul968's Porsche as they come out of Hasseroder. Paul gets a wiggle on coming out of the corner which allows Nick to close right up, and the latter moves right. Paul moves diagonally across the track, which is the normal line here, but keeps moving all the way to the right, forcing Nick to momentarily back off the throttle in order to avoid running into the back of him.

Nick then dives back down to the left under braking and is about a third of the way alongside as Paul turns in. Normally Nick would be considered entirely liable, but Paul's move across the track and into the space on the right where Nick was headed borders on blocking; had he left Nick a little room on the outside, the Vertigo might well have outbraked the Porsche and gone the long way round. Nick on the other hand, knowing that he had backed off slightly, should have been aware that an outbraking move down the inside was no longer likely to be viable.

To make matters worse, having made slight side contact, Paul continues to try and get to the apex of the corner despite the fact that Nick is still there, bouncing off him not once but twice.

  • Nick Phillipscaution — contact with Paul968
  • Paul968caution — contact with Nick Phillips
  • Paul968caution — covering another driver's line just before a braking zone


Server replay time: 1330s

Nick is once again right behind Paul as they go into the Bilstein chicane; they get through the chicane itself okay, but Paul has to come off the throttle momentarily in turn 6 to get the Porsche to turn in, and Nick nudges him lightly from behind, causing Paul to spin.

The Vertigo isn't very quick on the straights and it's understandable that Nick was trying to get close to the Porsche, but Nick should have anticipated that Paul would not be as quick as him through the corner and left just a little more space, both for safety and to get a better run at him.

I'm reducing the normal penalty to a single place because in my opinion, Paul backed off relatively late in the corner which contributed to catching Nick by surprise.

  • Nick Phillipspenalty — contact with Paul968 — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 1711s

Jure is working his way through traffic and approaches Adam's Vertigo as they get to the first turn. Adam leaves him some room on the left but Jure overestimates his Ferrari's braking performance compared to that of the Vertigo and goes in too hot, slides wide into the side of Adam, and pushes him into the gravel trap.

  • Jure ([R24-7]Jure)penalty — contact with Adam Parle — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 2911s

Backo has caught Adam up as they come to the last corner. There's nearly a full car length between them as Adam turns in, but Backo decides to force his way up the inside mid-corner instead of simply waiting until the following straight, where a pass would have been both safe and easy.

  • BACKOpenalty — contact whilst lapping — 2 places lost (plus 3 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 3388s

Backo laps Ruskus as they exit turn 6 but takes the racing line on the left without leaving any room at all to clear JR's Viper CC. There's absolutely no need in such circumstances not to leave a little more breathing space.

There are too many of these sorts of incidents involving Backo, so he has been formerly put on notice that his driving standards are under particular scrutiny and must be improved.

  • BACKOwarning — contact with Ruskus

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
G2
1:25.439
95.790mph
Nevski
Qualifying
Porsche 993 GT2June 24, 2007, 09:02:58 PM +0100
U5Ec
GTR2
G2
1:25.177
96.084mph
Nevski
Race
Porsche 993 GT2June 24, 2007, 09:02:58 PM +0100
U5Ec
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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2007, 10:33:03 PM +0100 »

Tried the GT3 Cup for the first time and took an RSR setup, reduced gearing and tweaked a few little things during qually to get a race setup and off I went in the race. Not sure where I qualified was too busy setting up the car to be bothered. Seemed to have a solid race, 4 of us in a gaggle at the start. PaulH at the front of a gaggle in his 911 Cup with Munkez F360GTC, Nicks Vertigo and my GT3 Cup. After that though it was a pretty lonely affair, just trying to keep the rear tyre temps under control and slowly getting more to grips with the 911 Cup, going a reasonable amount quicker than my qually time even with fuel and medium tyres in/on. Only made one mistake really the whole race and that was when I tried to flash Jure through and my reaching for the lights button into the braking saw me off into the gravel (silly me). Nice to have a car that can make it the whole race easily on one tank of fuel with just a stop for tyres, but the sods decided to repair some non-existant damage anyway at my stop costing me time. Undecided

Shame to see Pops frozen car as he was leading class with only a few laps to go and sad to hear of Brian's disco too. Damned internet!
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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2007, 10:33:33 PM +0100 »

Not a very eventfull race for me. At first I could try to keep up with the GTC cars, but my med rears were reaching 115 quickly and I was dancing on ice Grin. So I pitted early and take hard rears. But they were gone 10 minutes before the end. I got 3 messages in those 10 minutes Grin.

Shame Pops, that sucks so hard, so for Kerr. Disco's are the worst DNF's.

I was trying to take the outter line when I was lapped. That worked for the beginning, but the last part of the race, off the line there were so many marbles and dirt, that I flew off a few times. At once I had 3 lappers behind me heading towards the small chicane. so I just drove straight in the graveltrap to avoid getting in the way Grin

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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2007, 10:35:18 PM +0100 »

 Angry Angry Angry Angry  noooo  i was 3 mins from the end of the race when an update put my game back to desktop, froze then when it came back i was in the wall with no engine and broken suspension.......  other than that i really enjoyed it.
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2007, 10:36:11 PM +0100 »

That was a really good race - loads of action all the way through.

I was doing okay, up to 15th i think with PRiberio right behind me all the way through the field in the Z3.
Then i lost it with around 40mins gone, on the chicane before the long uphill strait (can't remember the name). Proceded to do this on three occasion, eventually finishing 19th Sad - but one of the best races i have been in to date - good racing all  Cool

Also - must apoligise to Jure, for moving in front of you a few laps before the end, i was tyring to get out of the way - i should have stayed where i was - but i payed for it by ending up in the gravel!

Also sorry to Bernie - was having a great scrap over the 1st few laps, and i think i tapped you on T1...

Great race though - can't wait to see the replay  Cool
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2007, 10:39:19 PM +0100 »

really bloody unlucky Pops, you disco'd with about 3 minutes left on the race clock  :'(

I had a fantastic race, albeit lacking in any real track action other than pushing hard the whole way until about 5 mins remaining when i eased right off as i had a +40 second cushion over the car behind.
Qualied an okay 5th, though still a second slower than my PB here.
Got past JUre? on about the 1st or 2nd flying lap when he ran wide on cold tyres.
Chased after a fast moving Picnic for quite a while until he made an error and i got past, and that was about my only on-track fight over with Sad
I then steamed off into the 'very-low' sunset  Shocked, knowing i couldnt catch the lead car but building a big gap over the cars behind.
Pit-stop went reasonably smoothly but still took 60 seconds for fuel and tyres, despite me doing a longer first stint to keep refuelling to a minimum.  Roll Eyes

Am very chuffed to finally get myself a nice podium spot, finishing a fine 2nd place and a sweet taste of that virtual champagne  clap

Traffic with lapped cars was absolutely spot on tonight for what is a tricky track, so thanks alot to all who made life easier  thumbup1 It looked like there were some great little fights going on in the cup cars. Cool
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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2007, 10:39:33 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2007, 10:40:31 PM +0100 »

Gutted for you Pops - that race was yours from the green light.

Had a fun start to the race, dropping a place to Ruskus early on, then harrassing him whilst his tyres fell apart.  After being enough of a nuisance I was flashed by, but I never closed the gap on the 2 guys infont.

After the pit stops I was 2nd in the GT2/GTC behind Pops, but trying to keep the Porker at bay was tall an order for me, and I duly submitted down the s/f straight.  After that it was just a matter of finishing so that I minimized the damage Pops did to my championship lead, well, that and avoiding some fairly reckless lapping GT1's.  Honestly, time and time again there are post race complaints about GT1's forcing through when there's a bloody massive straight all of 4 seconds down the road.  On the whole the lapping drivers (and indeed those being lapped) were great, shame it was spoilt by a few unconsiderate drivers.

When all is said and done, I'm happy with the result, it's just a bit of a hollow one with the Legends leader dropping out with a couple of laps to go.
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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2007, 10:48:52 PM +0100 »

I hate that circuit and I'm glad its now out of the way, i struggled all week with front tyre temps especially front left and after a very poor pit stop losing concentration and changing things when i didn't have to (lost myself 30 secs or so Huh) came out tried to get straight back on the pace only to hit the wall at the tight chicane..... pit guys reported aero damage which did lead to understeer (lost me 2 secs a lap) so decided to limp the the 20 or so Min's home than take another trip to the pits!

Fantastic close racing at the start with Paul, Simon and Nick,  that is what this sim is all about superb!  rockon
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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2007, 10:48:58 PM +0100 »

Please with qually, top 3 is probably a first for me and at the start of the race couldn't keep up with Kerr and Backo but seemed to ease a 10th out of MJ each lap. Then caught Gerald who got very sideways as I was about to lap him so I took avoiding action on the grass and let MJ through. Following him was ok until we caught traffic. The first one or two being cars on there own didn't have a great impact on time but we then caught a gaggle of 3 I think and that cost me 3 secs. MJ and myself were very close on lap times really but I pushed too hard trying to get it back down and made a minor error or two myself. I think Mark is much better at lapping than me, I seemed to lose 0.5 sec each time I caught a back marker and once the gap got over 10 secs I basically gave up and tried to just stay on track and finish.

Well that almost didn't work. Jure was catching me towards the end and I go confused over if it was him or a rapidly catching Backo I could see in my rear view mirror. So on the start finish straight I reached down and hit the look behind button. It was Backo, but looking away from where I was going is not clever and I drifted off the track and hit the pit wall  Embarrassed Lucky for me the car still drove but I threw 3rd place away in the process (dork  :'()

Still should be happy with 4th after the disaster that was the sprint race. Thanks to everyone who was courteous in letting me through Smiley

Bad luck to those who Disco'd
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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2007, 10:49:31 PM +0100 »

Ha! Lap record with out any practice Tongue

Only made it in as I had lost a wheel and engine at Silverstone in my Race2Play F1 race, so was not expecting much, grabbed my Anderstorp setup as the tracks are similar and hoped for the best. Got into it in second half and pleased with the result which unless I get screwed up in F1 races I cannot build upon, but enjoyed the battles I had.

Bit of bumping going on as to be expected at such a tight track, but good fun!

Shame the weeks changed really!
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« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2007, 10:49:58 PM +0100 »

Gutted for you Pops - that race was yours from the green light.

Had a fun start to the race, dropping a place to Ruskus early on, then harrassing him whilst his tyres fell apart.  After being enough of a nuisance I was flashed by, but I never closed the gap on the 2 guys infont.


You made a brilliant overtaking manouvre over me, but half a lap later you were punted off by a GT1 car. That way I overtook you again and got a few secs lead. A few laps later you were at my bumper again so I went off line and let you by, as  it didn't feel right to get the place back of you by that incident.
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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2007, 10:52:11 PM +0100 »

Yep, cheers Ruskus - I forgot how that GT1 put me behind you.  I enjoyed our fight whilst is lasted though, good fun.



On a different note .... if my mathematics are correct, Legends Racing have just sewn up the GTC Team Championship! clap
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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2007, 10:53:01 PM +0100 »

Honestly, time and time again there are post race complaints about GT1's forcing through when there's a bloody massive straight all of 4 seconds down the road.

As previously posted please submit reports. I know sometimes I think am I being let through but after think did I read that correctly? If I have offended I'd at least appreciate a PM so I can address the issue.
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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2007, 10:54:49 PM +0100 »


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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2007, 11:01:35 PM +0100 »

Honestly, time and time again there are post race complaints about GT1's forcing through when there's a bloody massive straight all of 4 seconds down the road.

As previously posted please submit reports. I know sometimes I think am I being let through but after think did I read that correctly? If I have offended I'd at least appreciate a PM so I can address the issue.

Don't worry Picnic, as ever you were a gentleman of almost Legendary status Wink - I'll be filing a report in due course regarding the offenders - just waiting for the replay to download.

As I said, on the whole the GT1's were great, flashing lights to announce their intention to overtake, and flashing to say thanks.  The issue I have is when (even if they have announced their intention to overtake) GT1's force through a gap that plainly isn't there.

Ruskus mentioned me getting knocked off track by a GT1.  That was going into T1, and I was already on the brakes.  Vertigo's can brake very late, so what the driver in question was doing at that point is beyond me.
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