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  • U5Ec Oschersleben: June 24, 2007
June 24, 2007, 09:02:58 PM +0100 - Oschersleben (GP) - UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
BACKO
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 2 +0.162
100.476mph
1 (+5) 1:20:17.747
95.130mph
56 1:22.099
99.687mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Maserati MC12 (#950008) GT1 5 +0.954
99.509mph
2 +51.971
94.115mph
56 1:22.985
98.623mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 4 +0.811
99.682mph
3 (+3) +1L
93.149mph
55 1:23.304
98.245mph
Michelin +25.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Maserati MC12 (#870001) GT1 3 +0.523
100.033mph
4 +19.321
92.778mph
55 1:23.034
98.564mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Nevski
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 993 GT2 (#3012) G2 8 +4.147
95.790mph
5 +2L
90.840mph
54 1:25.177
96.084mph
Dunlop  
Gomes Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 9 +6.554
93.165mph
6 +3L
88.797mph
53 1:28.487
92.490mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 11 +6.653
93.060mph
7 +4L
88.152mph
52 1:29.527
91.416mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4123) GT3 14 +7.904
91.755mph
8 +41.936
87.393mph
52 1:30.262
90.671mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 12 +7.512
92.160mph
9 +1:20.735
86.702mph
52 1:29.545
91.397mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 6 +1.563
98.777mph
10 52 1:23.264
98.292mph
suspension
Michelin +25.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4111) GT3 19 +9.821
89.825mph
11 +5L
86.439mph
51 1:30.996
89.940mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Nick Phillips
 Team Shark
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#3100) GTC 18 +8.773
90.870mph
12 (+1) +8.196
86.293mph
51 1:29.192
91.759mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
pribeiro
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 21 +10.518
89.143mph
13 +1:00.722
85.366mph
51 1:31.412
89.531mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 16 +8.594
91.051mph
14 +1:13.124
85.150mph
51 1:31.380
89.562mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#760052) GT2 17 +8.760
90.883mph
15 +6L
84.715mph
50 1:30.738
90.196mph
Pirelli -10.0kg
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 20 +9.849
89.797mph
16 +15.547
84.444mph
50 1:32.241
88.726mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Eddie Meyer
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 15 +8.489
91.157mph
17 +18.522
84.392mph
50 1:30.817
90.117mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 24 +11.175
88.509mph
18 +51.738
83.818mph
50 1:32.445
88.530mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
will16v
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4088) GT2 23 +10.772
88.897mph
19 +1:15.029
83.420mph
50 1:31.435
89.508mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
silver53
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R (#880001) GTC 22 +10.705
88.961mph
20 +7L
82.577mph
49 1:31.378
89.564mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 10 +6.573
93.145mph
21 49 1:29.615
91.326mph
unknown
Dunlop -25.0kg
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980003) GT1 1 1:21.292
100.676mph
22 +28L 28 1:22.440
99.274mph
unknown
Michelin +13.0kg
ossie
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#130263) GT1 7 +3.518
96.500mph
23 +33L 23 1:24.947
96.345mph
unknown
Michelin +13.0kg
LEUVEN
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 13 +7.884
91.776mph
24 +48L 8 1:30.021
90.914mph
accident
Dunlop +10.0kg
jan duijs
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 25 +13.310
86.512mph
25 +51L 5 1:32.709
88.278mph
unknown
Dunlop -10.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1019s

The Vertigo of Nick Phillips is behind Paul968's Porsche as they come out of Hasseroder. Paul gets a wiggle on coming out of the corner which allows Nick to close right up, and the latter moves right. Paul moves diagonally across the track, which is the normal line here, but keeps moving all the way to the right, forcing Nick to momentarily back off the throttle in order to avoid running into the back of him.

Nick then dives back down to the left under braking and is about a third of the way alongside as Paul turns in. Normally Nick would be considered entirely liable, but Paul's move across the track and into the space on the right where Nick was headed borders on blocking; had he left Nick a little room on the outside, the Vertigo might well have outbraked the Porsche and gone the long way round. Nick on the other hand, knowing that he had backed off slightly, should have been aware that an outbraking move down the inside was no longer likely to be viable.

To make matters worse, having made slight side contact, Paul continues to try and get to the apex of the corner despite the fact that Nick is still there, bouncing off him not once but twice.

  • Nick Phillipscaution — contact with Paul968
  • Paul968caution — contact with Nick Phillips
  • Paul968caution — covering another driver's line just before a braking zone


Server replay time: 1330s

Nick is once again right behind Paul as they go into the Bilstein chicane; they get through the chicane itself okay, but Paul has to come off the throttle momentarily in turn 6 to get the Porsche to turn in, and Nick nudges him lightly from behind, causing Paul to spin.

The Vertigo isn't very quick on the straights and it's understandable that Nick was trying to get close to the Porsche, but Nick should have anticipated that Paul would not be as quick as him through the corner and left just a little more space, both for safety and to get a better run at him.

I'm reducing the normal penalty to a single place because in my opinion, Paul backed off relatively late in the corner which contributed to catching Nick by surprise.

  • Nick Phillipspenalty — contact with Paul968 — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 1711s

Jure is working his way through traffic and approaches Adam's Vertigo as they get to the first turn. Adam leaves him some room on the left but Jure overestimates his Ferrari's braking performance compared to that of the Vertigo and goes in too hot, slides wide into the side of Adam, and pushes him into the gravel trap.

  • Jure ([R24-7]Jure)penalty — contact with Adam Parle — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 2911s

Backo has caught Adam up as they come to the last corner. There's nearly a full car length between them as Adam turns in, but Backo decides to force his way up the inside mid-corner instead of simply waiting until the following straight, where a pass would have been both safe and easy.

  • BACKOpenalty — contact whilst lapping — 2 places lost (plus 3 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 3388s

Backo laps Ruskus as they exit turn 6 but takes the racing line on the left without leaving any room at all to clear JR's Viper CC. There's absolutely no need in such circumstances not to leave a little more breathing space.

There are too many of these sorts of incidents involving Backo, so he has been formerly put on notice that his driving standards are under particular scrutiny and must be improved.

  • BACKOwarning — contact with Ruskus

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
G2
1:25.439
95.790mph
Nevski
Qualifying
Porsche 993 GT2June 24, 2007, 09:02:58 PM +0100
U5Ec
GTR2
G2
1:25.177
96.084mph
Nevski
Race
Porsche 993 GT2June 24, 2007, 09:02:58 PM +0100
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« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2007, 12:00:28 PM +0100 »

Kerr, i dont think we're meant to flash our lights to tell people we are coming through (or are we?...can mods confirm?), i only flashed thankyou's to people who endeavoured to move out the way when i was lapping.
I suppose it wouldnt be wrong to flash as thats what they do in the real GT racing world, i just wouldnt want it to be mis-intrepeted as 'oi get out of my way, i'm coming through' so if we agree its okay to flash when coming upto lap cars i will happily use that option.

As a driver of the slower GTC cars I normally flash my lights just to inform lapping drivers drivers i have seen them!
I dont think a more even field would sort the problem out Brian, more GT1 cars last night would have meant more overtaking slowing the GTC field down even more. I think for endurance racing its all down to the choice of a sensible location, hence we should drive Monaco and Macau next season  Tongue

If there was more GT1 cars and less GT2/GTC there would be less cars to lap. It's not often you will lap another GT1 driver but as per last night GT2/GTC drivers were 4,5 and 6 lap behind.

So from a selfish GT1 stance that's how it would be, but as you said the more GT1s the more time GT2/GTC cars spend moving out the way and losing time. On the other hand the more GT2/GTC the more time GT1s lose. One of those cycles.

You could argue it was the same for all but again that's up for discussion. Some guys are said to be very forceful and this angers slower drivers, some guys show great patience but lose huge amounts of time and can't be competitive for that reason only. On an open track the difference is minimal, with traffic brings a new story.
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« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2007, 01:04:15 PM +0100 »

I find it quite helpful for both myself and the other driver to do a quick flash when alongside each other so we're both sure we're aware that  the cars are alongside. I also sometimes flash somebody when I'm quite a way behind on a straight to give them an idea that I'm going to be lapping them soon - I find it quite useful when others do the same because I then know I'm being lapped without having to look behind and see who it is.

Once they're up close it's usually obvious whether it's a faster class car or not.

Managing traffic - both lapping and being lapped - is one of the great skills of muticlass racing and for me it adds a whole extra dimension to the racing which isn't there in the sprints.
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« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2007, 01:05:07 PM +0100 »

Right. Watched the replay, didn't want to comment on what can hardly be described as a race (on my part), more a series of mistakes and stupidities.

Had a s****y quali session but didn't care too much about it since I knew my pace will be near to/a bit slower compared to Jonzo and Picnic (already knew from GT1 sprint Kerr and Backo will be in league of their own). To be honest I expected Picnic to be in front of me but that changed in lap 2 anyway.  Grin

Mistake no.1: end of quali, off I go to the toilet for which there was plenty of time. But then it hit me I'm still in my shorts and nothing else (hot as hell here Grin ) so I went into my room to grab a T-shirt just to return when lights went green and warm up lap already started. Sat down (chair in wrong position, TrackIR hat not on my head, headphones not on my head) and off we go. Of course I nearly lost it getting off the line and few more times during warm up lap (adjusting the chair and putting stuff on my head  Roll Eyes ) Apologies to Picnic for scaring him (probably  Grin ). Almost hit Jonzo entering S/F straight during warm up lap while being on pit limiter (huh?), turned away to avoid him an got collected by Picnic. No worries, our warm up laps will be perfect... by the end of year 2027.  Grin

Lost a place to Picnic going wide into T2, then made a huge mistake (still on cold fronts) going into triple left hander and went off track to rejoin behind leading gt2 porker. Same off repeated itself few laps later.

Climbed back, had a nasty little fight with Ossie, then passed him due to his off track adventure.

Taking my time (had 100L of fuel onboard, medium fronts, hard rears, wing 11), hoping for attrition in front of me and a late&short pitstop which would (that was the projection) put me either into P4 or P5 at the end.

Then.. oh well, I'd rather not comment on my behaviour, it's all self explanatory if you watch the replay @ 1711 and @ 2054. Incident report filled in, go read it, I'm still p****d off at myself ATM.  Taking my time with all the cars I caught and passed only to do that? Argh. Undecided  Angry My sincere apologies to both drivers involved.  Lips Sealed

I'm glad this track's behind us, it gave a whole new meaning to the word understeer. Haven't driven a track that caused me so much trouble and, in retrospective, caused loss of self confidence which is to blame for all the stupidities I did. You know, should I or shouldn't I, that sort of stuff.

Anyway, I'd love to say "bah, it's just a game", but, well, it isn't. It's a hobby of ours and I ruined other drivers fun at it. Finishing on podium is a clear case of perverted poetic justice if I ever saw one.

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@ Kerr and rest of you guys with disco problems. My guess is you're all on dynamic IP. MAKE IT A RULE/MANTRA: "I WILL RESTART MY COMPUTER AND MODEM PRIOR TO RACE". Your IPs are changed by your ISP every 24 hours or (here's the trick and a cure by itself) each time you login. Hence login prior to race so your IP won't be changed during racing. I do it all the time, flying sims taught me that.

Same goes for auto updates. Either turn them off (which will give you a better control of what's going on with your computer anyway) or manually check for updates prior to race start (but that does not mean autoupdate won't turn on @ given hour. Most of auto update programs can be tweaked as per time-of-auto-update goes. Tweak it - early in the morning comes to mind  Grin )




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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2007, 01:24:46 PM +0100 »

No worries, our warm up laps will be perfect... by the end of year 2027.  Grin


Ah yes - I forgot to mention the pace lap ..... we'll get there soon I'm sure.  In the meantime I'll keep the Legends panel beaters in business as the field compresses (literally) before the start.  Grin



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« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2007, 01:57:03 PM +0100 »

No worries, our warm up laps will be perfect... by the end of year 2027.  Grin


Ah yes - I forgot to mention the pace lap ..... we'll get there soon I'm sure.  In the meantime I'll keep the Legends panel beaters in business as the field compresses (literally) before the start.  Grin



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Sorry I hit you at the end of the (again horrible) pace-lap. I saw a Porsche shoot to the right and before I knew it there were 2 or 3 Vertigo's infront of me, so I couldn't go around. And let's just say, the Vertigo brakes harder than the Viper CC Cheesy
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« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2007, 02:00:26 PM +0100 »

Sorry I hit you at the end of the (again horrible) pace-lap. I saw a Porsche shoot to the right and before I knew it there were 2 or 3 Vertigo's infront of me, so I couldn't go around. And let's just say, the Vertigo brakes harder than the Viper CC Cheesy

No probs Ruskus - the Vertigo didn't feel any different, still nice and kart-like.



Another explanation would be that you saw the "No Sharks" decal and saw red Wink Grin.
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« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2007, 02:03:14 PM +0100 »

I hope i'm not to blame for pace lap? I thought i kept it controlled and at a acceptable pace.
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« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2007, 02:07:58 PM +0100 »

Your race never started as bad as mine jure.      I always go to the toilet during the 2 min before the race.    Last night jumping the corner of the bed my foot went in the opening at bottom of duvet cover.   Ended up flat out on the floor in hysterics and then could not pee straight as still in fits with a numb wrist!   
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« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2007, 02:48:23 PM +0100 »

I hope i'm not to blame for pace lap? I thought i kept it controlled and at a acceptable pace.

Naaah, pace was fine. What we're all forgetting is we should all be (I think rules command it) on pit-lane limiter at least 2 corners prior to S/F straight. That's something that rarely happens in this races of ours.

In general we go to limiter exiting (!) last corner while we're all still far from being evenly (properly) dispersed. That creates "limiter-on-no-wait-I'm-too-far-limiter-off-getting-closer-brake-what-is-the-car-behind-me-doing-in-my-difusor" efect  Grin Roll Eyes

Perhaps a "we shall engage limiter at corner X" in race announcements?
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« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2007, 05:40:19 PM +0100 »

First race for me in a month and a half (hols + work), so was just hoping to get back some consistency and enthusiasm. The first third was a constant battle with Munkez, Nick and then Simon, which was hard work but good fun nonetheless. In the end I let Simon get past by being too nice to a lapping GT instead of taking the line I needed, and then got punted off and lost a lot of time. After my pitstop I had a great battle with Bernie, and having finally got past I then felt the need to spin and let him back in front so that I could have another go - great racing Bernie  Smiley Overall I'm quite pleased to get some enthusiam back for racing, although I can't help thinking that a G3 competition would be what I'd like best - the cars are easy enough to get in and drive without too much practice and the racing is always good.

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« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2007, 08:15:40 PM +0100 »

You can have all week with the future woman, but sunday is for racing.     Get the rules set from the off or you are in trouble!
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« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2007, 09:47:50 PM +0100 »

Hope you're relationship sorts out the way you want it, Gerald.  Smiley  If she catches and if when it comes closer to marriage you'll be able to train more.  angel   Ups, sorry MJ...  Lips Sealed

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« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2007, 09:56:30 PM +0100 »

You can have all week with the future woman, but sunday is for racing.     Get the rules set from the off or you are in trouble!

Listen to kerr - he is right  Cool
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« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2007, 10:24:25 PM +0100 »

You can have all week with the future woman, but sunday is for racing.     Get the rules set from the off or you are in trouble!

Listen to kerr - he is right  Cool
It was somebody else who told me that. i get dogs abuse for racing and hardly any time to practice.

I have to get up early after nightshift to practice and pretend I'm shattered and have been sleeping all day.

How do some of you guys getaway with it?

I have been wanting to join in the GTL racing but she would kill me if I did
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« Reply #74 on: June 25, 2007, 10:56:58 PM +0100 »

How do some of you guys getaway with it?

You let her buy whatever she wants! laugh
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