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  • U5S2 Oschersleben: June 26, 2007
June 26, 2007, 09:01:16 PM +0100 - Oschersleben (GP) - UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 GTC (#970001) GT2 2 +0.520
95.489mph
1 40:12.441
91.597mph
27 1:26.536
94.576mph
Pirelli -10.0kg
LEUVEN
 Team Shark
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#960001) GT2 3 +0.534
95.474mph
2 +1.398
91.544mph
27 1:26.241
94.899mph
Michelin +20.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980013) GT2 4 +0.668
95.325mph
3 +13.393
91.092mph
27 1:26.601
94.505mph
Michelin +20.0kg
BACKO
 Racin24-7
BMW M3 GTR (#4142) GT2 5 +0.908
95.059mph
4 +14.055
91.067mph
27 1:26.343
94.787mph
Michelin +25.0kg
stnasky
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4066) GT2 6 +1.001
94.956mph
5 +14.196
91.061mph
27 1:26.641
94.461mph
Pirelli +20.0kg
jan duijs
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4062) GT2 7 +1.625
94.274mph
6 +31.351
90.422mph
27 1:27.196
93.860mph
Pirelli -10.0kg
Paul Richards
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980013) GT2 8 +1.650
94.247mph
7 +42.515
90.011mph
27 1:28.041
92.959mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#990008) GT2 13 +2.313
93.533mph
8 +45.570
89.899mph
27 1:27.881
93.128mph
Pirelli +20.0kg
Nevski
 Team Oldie Racing
Mosler MT900R (#660014) GTC 14 +2.485
93.349mph
9 +1:05.822
89.165mph
27 1:28.011
92.991mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#890037) GT2 10 +1.889
93.988mph
10 +1:09.230
89.042mph
27 1:28.151
92.843mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
TVR Tuscan T400R (#940001) GTC 17 +3.088
92.711mph
11 +1:15.174
88.829mph
27 1:28.946
92.013mph
Dunlop +15.0kg
JonM_uk
 Team Shark Junior
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#960003) GT2 1 1:25.188
96.072mph
12 +1:36.206
88.085mph
27 1:27.040
94.028mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Carl Hart
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC (#880037) GT2 11 +2.105
93.755mph
13 +1L
88.058mph
26 1:28.290
92.697mph
Pirelli -10.0kg
baracus250gt
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC (#880037) GT2 9 +1.676
94.218mph
14 +0.456
88.041mph
26 1:27.127
93.934mph
Pirelli -10.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Morgan Aero 8 (#960013) GTC 21 +3.804
91.965mph
15 +20.257
87.326mph
26 1:30.406
90.527mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Morgan Aero 8 (#790029) GTC 20 +3.569
92.209mph
16 +21.329
87.288mph
26 1:29.875
91.062mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
TVR Tuscan T400R (#750052) GTC 22 +4.150
91.609mph
17 +31.274
86.933mph
26 1:29.926
91.010mph
Dunlop +15.0kg
Eddie Meyer
 Kerb Crawlers
Morgan Aero 8 (#960013) GTC 24 +5.337
90.408mph
18 +1:23.396
85.120mph
26 1:31.848
89.106mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Mosler MT900R (#900013) GTC 12 +2.284
93.564mph
19 +7L 20 1:28.719
92.248mph
engine
Dunlop +20.0kg
pribeiro
 
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo (#3102) GT2 15 +2.582
93.246mph
20 +12L 15 1:28.203
92.788mph
unknown
Pirelli +15.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#990008) GT2 16 +2.743
93.075mph
21 15 1:28.214
92.777mph
unknown
Pirelli +20.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#990008) GT2 18 +3.126
92.671mph
22 15 1:29.330
91.617mph
unknown
Pirelli +20.0kg
ossie
 
BMW M3 GTR (#100263) GT2 19 +3.192
92.602mph
23 +13L 14 1:29.222
91.728mph
unknown
Michelin +25.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 (#900001) GTC 23 +4.770
90.978mph
24 +17L 10 1:30.882
90.053mph
unknown
Dunlop +10.0kg

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Server replay time: 735s

Truetom gets a bit of a run on Paul968 approaching Hasseroder. Tom attempts to out-brake Paul, but only achieves a partial overlap before the turn-in point. Paul turns in, resulting in a light contact, which allows Tom to take the place. Tom does not give the place back, because at the time he thought the pass was a fair one, although looking at the replay he wasn't sure.

Tom was slightly over-ambitous here. The braking zone is not particularly long, making it difficult get sufficient overlap. However, he escapes a penalty as from his viewpoint he did appear to have a valid overtaking opportunity, and despite a slight lockup he managed to stay on the inside half of the track.

Paul could probably have left a little more room, and would have had a good chance to defend the position by driving around the outside.

  • Paul968advice — Leave more room for cars alongside you.
  • Truetomwarning — Over-ambitious overtake.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
GTC
1:27.472
93.564mph
Paul968
Qualifying
Mosler MT900R
+20.0kg
June 26, 2007, 09:01:16 PM +0100
U5S2
GTR2
GTC
1:28.011
92.991mph
Nevski
Race
Mosler MT900R
+20.0kg
June 26, 2007, 09:01:16 PM +0100
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2007, 10:21:21 AM +0100 »

Another intense and enjoyable evening in the Mosler. Pleased to get the GTC pole which left me right in the mid field with a bunch of RSRs and 360s around. The end of the pace lap was tricky again, which meant I got distracted and missed the limiter button at the start - sorry TT. Had several laps holding TT off until he got past into T3. Then had many laps fending off different GT2 cars which probably stressed the tyres more than I needed to be honest. Towards the end I could see Nev and Simon battling in my mirrors a few seconds back, and when Nev got past I knew I had a fight on. Just as he caught me though my engine let go so it was game over  Sad Shame, as the last 8 minutes fighting Nev would have been brilliant. Not sure I could have held him off though - he seemed to have much fresher tyres than me at that stage.

Well done to Ruskus, Nev and the podiums. Can I make a suggestion about the pace lap? How about saying that drivers must leave at least a car's length to the car in front when on the limiter? The problem we are seeing is that cars are too close and keep having to back off, but there isn't much point - there is not much chance of making a place into T1 since you have to wait for the car in front to go, so an extra car's length won't affect things much. Worth a try perhaps?

Paul

[Edit] Just to add that I don't normally blow engines, especially in a sprint race, but then I've only done a couple of races in a Mosler. I think what may have happened is that I forgot to open up the radiator from my qual setup, although I can't be sure. Oh well, maybe I'll set the limiter slightly lower next time just to be sure.
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2007, 10:51:28 AM +0100 »

After some intense close racing I  was able to pass all but Paul Richards.....I didn't know Paul Richards is such a stubborn guy - he utterly refused to make any mistake for all of the last 15 minutes.

hahaha, tell me about! Sat a few car lengths from his rear bumper for the first 25mins and no mistakes! same with me tho, until the last 15mins, doh!  Lips Sealed

That might be due to my slow but steady driving miss daisy style  Grin  To be honest at the rate Jan dissappeared into the distance after the first few laps I had much more to lose by over pushing the tyres or making a mistake trying to go too fast. I was sorry to see Baracus spin on the first lap but it sounds like he did well to avoid running into the back of me. On Med-Med I had to take it quite easy on the first fast lap and I am not sure I would of held him off for long during the early stages!

With you chasing hard Andy at the start I just tried to make sure that I didn't make any mistakes and as long as I was exiting the corners at good speed it is pretty hard to pass here. Eventually, I guess as your tyres wore, I was able to eek out a small gap and when TT challanged I was able to increase this a bit more as you battled. Once TT got passed I had one eye on the race clock and pressed on. TT was getting pretty close towards the end but with my tyres in pretty good nick I was able to stay away. Congrats to the podiums and back luck to teamie Paul for his engine failure. After my error strewn 7th at Enna in this championship last race I am pleased with an error free 7th at my first race here. Looking forward to the enduro masters on Sunday.
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2007, 11:00:25 AM +0100 »

Couldn't wait...gave those settings a quick blast.

Not sure about the degrees of rotation but the in game brake settings helped with braking alot. not sure what the spring and Damper wheel settings changed. I felt no difference. Though those ff settings seem a bit week to me.


...off to bed, will test more tomorrow.

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  Grin

I have more or less the same settings for a week now(stumbled on a forum post at simchallenge.com where the super aliens Gregor Huttu and Roland Enhstrom had their settings explained) and i must say IT WORKS,but i must stress this, when using the out game settings as posted by JR you must
have the wheellock ingame at 23 degrees.The G25 is super wheel the only backdraw are the unvoluntary down/upshifts every once in a while,the flippers are too sensetive in my opion.(cost me 15 sec last night).Last nights race was lonely for me saw MarkMC an Backo but could not get close stayed sixth as the
the softs went a bit worn.
Congrats JR on your 2000th post Grin

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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2007, 12:50:21 PM +0100 »

I have more or less the same settings for a week now(stumbled on a forum post at simchallenge.com where the super aliens Gregor Huttu and Roland Enhstrom had their settings explained) and i must say IT WORKS,but i must stress this, when using the out game settings as posted by JR you must
have the wheellock ingame at 23 degrees.The G25 is super wheel the only backdraw are the unvoluntary down/upshifts every once in a while,the flippers are too sensetive in my opion.(cost me 15 sec last night).Last nights race was lonely for me saw MarkMC an Backo but could not get close stayed sixth as the
the softs went a bit worn.
Congrats JR on your 2000th post Grin

Jan


I got my settings from the exact same thread  Grin.

If you have double up or downshifts, try keydelay: http://www.auyu41.dsl.pipex.com/KeyDelay.zip

Yeah, I noticed I had 2000+ posts when I had 2006, so I was too late  Grin. On to 3000 quickly Cheesy
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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2007, 01:23:28 PM +0100 »

My pedal settings were already very similar anyway.

I like the 23 degree steering lock with 400 degree rotation. Makes the car feel really nice and tight and easier and smoother to change direction. I noticed it made the tail end nearly impossible to spin out due to the extra control. I'm sure I will prove that wrong during racing sometime soon.

However I have never liked force feedback. I have always used a constant weighted wheel.

I tried exactly the setting you posted and I feel force feedback is just unnatural. I did a couple of laps and I feel it's actually steering for you. Without any input from yourself the car directly heads for the apex on every turn.

It's more like the car driving itself and you stopping it turning too far and not you fully in control, if you understand what I mean.

For instance as you approach the corner the wheel seems to move itself and pull the car right on line to the apex, all you do is hold back the steering when the correct amount of lock is applied.

It maybe sounds a good thing hitting every apex, but it's not for me. I dare say once you are used to it, it will be helpful but as i say not for me
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2007, 01:27:24 PM +0100 »

I think you need to tick the 'Reverse Effects' option in the controller setup screen. The wheel shouldn't be pulled toward the apex, it should resist being turned in just like a real car.
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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2007, 01:29:39 PM +0100 »

I think you need to tick the 'Reverse Effects' option in the controller setup screen. The wheel shouldn't be pulled toward the apex, it should resist being turned in just like a real car.

Yes indeed. A VERY important feature with Logitech wheels. If you didn't already tick that option, no wonder it feels weird  Cheesy
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2007, 01:35:56 PM +0100 »

Sometimes obvious things, are not obvious. I never as much as noticed

I'm off to work now feeling like a plank!

You should try reverse, it does try to take corner for you and gets every apex
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« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2007, 02:04:46 PM +0100 »

Ah! I did not change the steering angle ingame when I tried changing the degree rotation. I shall try that later!

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  Grin

I didn't mean strength sorry!. I meant effects. I  have Full Effects at 50%. (Thinking about increasing to 55%) Increasing the Strength to 111% in the wheel set up really made a difference , especially over the kerbs.

I have played around with the Damper and spring settings and think that you are really missing out having them at 0%. I really like the feedback you get from them when you get out of shape but you have to really muscle the wheel in those cases. It doesn't make me go any quicker but it's a lot of fun!
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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2007, 05:11:13 PM +0100 »

I agree Reign.  I've tried the feedback effect setting on 'low' in the past and haven't been impressed by it.  I find it far more entertaining to have the setting at 'full' with FF strength set to 75%.  Ok it probably makes me go slower because I'm constantly fighting the wheel, but at least I get a good shoulder and arm workout during a 2 hour enduro.  Tongue
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« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2007, 06:32:29 PM +0100 »


Nice starting battle with a pink TVR Wink. He was a fair bit faster but, being nice and steady, there was no way past. Shame you fell off, as it was fair but hard stuff. Great fun. Then i felt madd's cold, clammy breath for the rest of the race. Shame we couldn't get it on with shatted tyres at the end, but relieved to take home the wooden trophy tonight Smiley

Hehe. I had some fun trying to find my way past but, it's just a shame I messed it up. I'm still not comfortable on the brakes and I just overdid it in turn one.

I got back on the road and started to catch the 4 car train again but it looked like it fell apart with offs and whatnot. I was behind Madd when I was punted off into the gravel by a GT2 in the quick double left hander.  nono

After that I didn't have the pace I had at the start until the last few laps, was near Darren a few times but he was having a worse race than me and quit I think.

I have no idea how to set up the car with the wheel (not that i was any good setting up with the stick!), I need to get some major practice time in.

Hope to see Madd in the Masters Enduro as our pace was very close.

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Ah! I did not change the steering angle ingame when I tried changing the degree rotation. I shall try that later!

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  Grin

I didn't mean strength sorry!. I meant effects. I  have Full Effects at 50%. (Thinking about increasing to 55%) Increasing the Strength to 111% in the wheel set up really made a difference , especially over the kerbs.

I have played around with the Damper and spring settings and think that you are really missing out having them at 0%. I really like the feedback you get from them when you get out of shape but you have to really muscle the wheel in those cases. It doesn't make me go any quicker but it's a lot of fun!


Think that maight have been me. Many apologies, thought I had the speed and space to squeeze through but the car drifted wide into the side of you.  ???SORRY
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2007, 08:44:47 AM +0100 »

Hi all dont know whats going to happen in future but new gf is visiting at weekend will keep you posted.As she lives miles away suspect I will only be able to do mid week soon.cheers gerald ps she's gorgeous so the on line racing is not such a big attraction

Good luck keeping it up .... juggling racing and lady-folk I mean Wink Grin .
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2007, 08:46:01 AM +0100 »

Hi all dont know whats going to happen in future but new gf is visiting at weekend will keep you posted.As she lives miles away suspect I will only be able to do mid week soon.cheers gerald ps she's gorgeous so the on line racing is not such a big attraction

Just make sure she is on the 7pm train and you will be alright!
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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2007, 12:04:51 PM +0100 »

Thanks for posting up those settings Ruskus. I gave them a go and although I was doing the same times it felt a bit strange to me! It seemed to go from hardly any resistance to sudden bolts of it as the car gets out of shape. I might try just changing the rotation setting (and the lock setting in game) and leaving the rest alone to see if I prefer that as it seems to be popular.

Like Brian I never used to have FF until I got this wheel but played around a bit and got it set up to a point that felt natural to me. RM in case you want to try mine here they are. I doubt you will go any faster but I get on best with these feel wise.
 
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In CP:
Degrees rotation 260 <--- use wheel lock of 13 - 18 in game depending on track
Overall Strength 100%
Spring effects 100%
Damper effects 100%
Centre Spring enabled 60%

In game
Steering 50%
Throttle 50%
Brake 50%
Clutch 50% <--- use auto clutch so only used for getting out of gravel traps  Grin

no deadzones

Specialised effect G25
Reverse effects enabled
Effects: Full
FF Strength 29% <--- yep I am a weed  :'( 

I use the shifter in Sequential mode with auto clutch in game. I then have the paddles for looking left and right (both for behind) for getting out of peoples way! Use the buttons on wheel for lights and pit limiter and a couple of those on the shifter for ignition and starter.
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2007, 12:22:26 PM +0100 »

Center srping isn't realle necessary as the game already supports it's own.

I've read that setting FF on low is the best on ISI based racegames. Don't ask me why, but I've read that numerous times. Probably because the FF comes too late and you'll respond too late.

I had these settings before

Degrees rotation 270 <--- use wheel lock of 13 - 18 in game depending on track
Overall Strength 100%
Spring effects 100%
Damper effects 100%
Centre Spring enabled 0%

In game
Steering 50%
Throttle 40%
Brake 35%
Clutch 50%

Specialised effect G25
Reverse effects enabled
Effects: High
FF Strength 100%

You can also try those if you want. I've only been racing with the new settings since Enna, and I've gotta say the results didn't become worst Smiley
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