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July 22, 2007, 09:02:46 PM +0100 - Imola (2007+) - UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980003) GT1 1 1:41.209
108.751mph
1 1:20:57.877
101.957mph
45 1:43.081
106.776mph
Michelin +13.0kg
BACKO
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 2 +0.599
108.111mph
2 +1.806
101.919mph
45 1:42.434
107.450mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Roadrunner
 
Dodge Viper GTS-R (#3017) GT1 5 +2.235
106.401mph
3 +1:18.901
100.328mph
45 1:44.802
105.023mph
Michelin -15.0kg
Kit-Kat
 Racing for Yorkshire
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#3036) GT1 4 +2.175
106.463mph
4 +1:37.412
99.953mph
45 1:44.576
105.250mph
Michelin +13.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R (#910001) GT1 11 +4.448
104.173mph
5 +1L
99.438mph
44 1:45.878
103.955mph
Michelin -15.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Maserati MC12 (#950008) GT1 6 +2.839
105.784mph
6 +28.522
98.859mph
44 1:45.277
104.549mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Maserati MC12 (#870001) GT1 8 +3.600
105.016mph
7 +1:05.902
98.111mph
44 1:45.439
104.388mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
R. Midderhoff
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#3036) GT1 7 +3.525
105.091mph
8 +1:41.142
97.415mph
44 1:45.330
104.496mph
Michelin +13.0kg
Prof
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 10 +4.293
104.326mph
9 +2L
97.070mph
43 1:46.237
103.604mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 9 +3.719
104.896mph
10 +1:35.665
95.202mph
43 1:47.059
102.809mph
Michelin +25.0kg
Pedro Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 12 +9.236
99.657mph
11 +3L
93.883mph
42 1:51.408
98.795mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Gomes Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 13 +10.102
98.881mph
12 +22.294
93.459mph
42 1:51.930
98.334mph
Michelin +20.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 16 +12.068
97.165mph
13 +51.422
92.912mph
42 1:54.753
95.915mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 15 +12.039
97.190mph
14 +53.839
92.867mph
42 1:53.549
96.932mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 14 +10.896
98.181mph
15 +4L
92.776mph
41 1:52.835
97.546mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 21 +13.180
96.221mph
16 +1:07.607
91.504mph
41 1:55.664
95.160mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 17 +12.191
97.060mph
17 +1:08.119
91.494mph
41 1:54.770
95.901mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
pribeiro
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 27 +16.604
93.424mph
18 +5L
90.366mph
40 1:56.418
94.544mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4123) GT3 25 +16.466
93.534mph
19 +1:09.668
89.092mph
40 1:56.428
94.535mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 19 +12.656
96.663mph
20 +2:11.343
87.994mph
40 1:55.537
95.265mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Eddie Meyer
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 24 +13.994
95.541mph
21 +6L
86.627mph
39 1:57.222
93.895mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4123) GT3 22 +13.359
96.070mph
22 +19L 26 1:55.689
95.139mph
unknown
Pirelli +10.0kg
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#3100) GTC 26 +16.570
93.451mph
23 26 1:59.713
91.941mph
unknown
Dunlop -25.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 3 +1.610
107.048mph
24 +26L 19 1:44.394
105.433mph
engine
Michelin +25.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 23 +13.678
95.804mph
25 +29L 16 1:56.017
94.870mph
unknown
Pirelli +10.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#760052) GT2 18 +12.483
96.810mph
26 +31L 14 1:54.491
96.135mph
unknown
Pirelli -10.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 27 +36L 9 1:59.210
92.329mph
unknown
Pirelli +10.0kg
will16v
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4088) GT2 20 +13.174
96.226mph
28 +38L 7 1:57.918
93.341mph
unknown
Dunlop +20.0kg

Moderator's Report

Backo (and I believe others who were not named in the various reports filed) was merrily chatting away immediately after crossing the line despite the fact that several other drivers were still racing, in some cases in very close proximity to each other.

The rules clearly state that drivers should not use in-game chat until after ALL drivers have completed there final lap.

  • BACKOwarning — chat during race


Server replay time: 1384s

Kit Kat misjudges how quickly Munkez will accelerate out of the Tamburello chicane and runs into the back of him, spinning him out.

In mitigation, Munkez sounds like he lifts through the final exit part of the corners which is normally taken flat out, which is very likely to have caught any following driver out. Therefore only a warning will be given.

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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2007, 12:47:42 PM +0100 »

Right. Where do I begin? Oh yes, let's start with a 2000+ EUR PC that got a very strange FPS drop in quali session (!?), terrible FPS at first two (fast) chicanes and last chicane in particular. And I mean HUGE fps drop to the point I was thinking of dropping out of the race (if I knew what's waiting for me in the race... well, it would be a no-brainer  Grin).

Anyway, stubborn as I am I simply could not and would not give up. Backo and Kerr were in a league of their own, so I knew there's no way I can fight for the championship, but I did want to finish the bloody thing, that's what endurance is all about, right?

Now imagine the way I had to drive... Slideshow at Rivaza and last chicane (prior to S/F straight) - if the car was not travelling in a completely straight line, there was a chance of losing back end since once it started to slid around, it was too late/impossible to catch it due to difference in time between the actual slide and the time when PC decided it's OK for me to know about it.  Roll Eyes Funny thing is FPS drops were sporadical, i.e. one lap - slide show, next lap, same position on the track - everything a OK. Weird. Anyway, doing even low 1.47s (in a bloody GT1 F550) was very... dangerous to say the least.

Ruskus saw it, twice, I think, passed him into last chicane only to demonstrate my drifting abilities  Grin Sorry if I scared you, mate. Was a passenger, trust me. Luckily I was avoiding doing any passes on NGT drivers in low FPS zones, it felt way too dangerous and even on normal-FPS parts I had to take it easy. Combine that with an off in lap one, i.e. racing lap 1 at tamburello, vlaaaam into the wall - FPS s**t, front right puncture, had to wait for everyone to pass to return to the track and then limp back to pits for repairs only to rejoin right in front of the leaders which caused a frantic "must get out of the way - NOW" move which coincided with a low-FPS part that caused another major off and a 20 second loss in lap 4).

Then had to pass all the slower cars (19 passes for position only to finish 2 laps down, giggle).

Never ever ever drove such a hard race, just keeping the car on the track was a nightmare (keep in mind my setup was set for appropriate tyre temps achieved via optimal pace - which was suppose to be 3 seconds faster then the pace I managed to do on the track, hence my tyres were colder then a frigid... emm... nevermind  Angry  Grin ).  Was constantly pondering should I go out to avoid any contact with other drivers or not, but it seemed fine... most of the time, although it did come too close for comfort few times (was passing a slower car, then did a typical "Jure" on him, dove inside to make a pass, decided it's too risky and backed off to give him room only to enable him to hit my behind and, in effect, punt him off. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.  Undecided Must look at the replay to find out whom I should apologise to, think it was vertigo....

Enjoyed driving behind a double vertigo fight in the last lap though, nice view, last chicane was... well... interesting to say the least. Wink

Anyway... THANK YOU ALL for a great season, mods for their hard work, enjoyed our racing a lot and then some, congrats to all championship winners (and podium guys... oh wait, that includes myself, wuiiiiiiii  Grin ).

I'll be back (with a fresh winXP installation and fixed right knee, I hope there's at least 6-7 weeks to the start of season 6 in order to fix my leg properly). Cool


edit: did I mention I got 1 (one) point at the end of this "man I'm beat, that was hard" race? Hooray.  Grin



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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2007, 12:59:58 PM +0100 »

Enjoyed driving behind a double vertigo fight in the last lap though, nice view, last chicane was... well... interesting to say the least. Wink

Damn, didn't think anyone saw that. Sure I was alongside, maybe I should report pops? Wink

Please cut the GT1 boys some slack. To be fair, we were far to busy to help them pass, which I normally do, and they were having battles of their own I'm sure. Not worried about honest mistakes and hope they correct their own strategy without the need for reporting. Dave really has enough to do and we all know the standards expected for races here angel

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« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2007, 01:08:01 PM +0100 »

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Please cut the GT1 boys some slack. To be fair, we were far to busy to help them pass, which I normally do, and they were having battles of their own I'm sure. Not worried about honest mistakes and hope they correct their own strategy without the need for reporting. Dave really has enough to do and we all know the standards expected for races here 

Well said....I think its worth a mention in the post race reports, just to keep reminding folk it happens occasionally but unless it is an obvious blatent bending of rules etc then there is no need to file reports. We are all here to enjoy the racing together and its just as likely some of us slower classes can be a bit unpredictable when being passed making the GT1 boys look worse than they are.
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« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2007, 01:25:43 PM +0100 »

well said Ginsters  angel

Having driven GT1 cars for the first time this season in Endurance it has given me insight into the view from the other side of the fence. Perhaps some who keep on about it should try one out in a mixed field and appreciate the difference in speed these things have on track, its amazing and a real eye opener  Shocked
I keep thinking i am being 'too gentlemenly' in the 'after you, no after you' stakes as i appear to lose so much time to other GT1 cars lapping traffic (spins aside Roll Eyes). I was constantly taking severe avoiding action when closing on some slow class cars last night to the detriment of one spin at the fast 's' corners and also a lost place to 5th up at the hilltop chicane when i had to slam the anchors on to avoid rear-ending a vertigo which seemed like it had virtually stopped as it made its own leisurely way through.
But as i said earlier, everyone was a gent and most did their best to move aside, some even went off onto grass to move offline which is un-necessary, though i wondered if they were baseing that decision on earlier 'robust' passes by the front few GT1's  Roll Eyes.
I meant to say earlier too that apologies if i looked like i wasnt thanking anyone for making room, as i had lost my headlights in the earlier spin so couldnt flash a ta! Embarrassed
I think this track (and oschers) are possibly two of the hardest for traffic situations with mixed classes, so considering that, everyone did very well to avoid contacts.  Cool
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« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2007, 01:28:55 PM +0100 »

Dave really has enough to do and we all know the standards expected for races here angel

I'm pretty convinced that considering the work load and organisation to run SRou to the current standards that Dave & Co could quite easily run their own real championship!!! They would be definitely more organised that some organisers i've been involved with (including FIA!...lol  Shocked)

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« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2007, 01:29:51 PM +0100 »

As usual, any comments made about inconsiderate GT1 drivers are aimed at the same drivers we've had problems with all year season.

The VAST majority of the GT1 drivers are perfect gents and it is a pleasure racing against you, sorry if I didn't make that clear Embarrassed
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« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2007, 01:53:58 PM +0100 »

Once a driver reachs the turn-in point, and no one is alongside, then they have a right to turn in. It is not reasonable to expect drivers to check their mirrors after turn-in, to check for someone making a late move. If a driver has to abort their turn-in at this point in order to avoid contact then the attacking driver is in the wrong whether there is contact or not, and the incident can and should be reported imo.

It's also worth emphasizing that there's a huge difference between passes for position and passes whilst lapping slow class cars. The former will inevitably make contact more likely and we allow considerably more leeway when judging such situations, whereas when lapping a car with a 200 pony deficit there really is no need at all for contact.

The only time I outbreak a slower class car is when I'm clearly invited too by them breaking early. A Vertigo will eat a Corvette for breakfast under braking and the last thing I want to end up as is a Gillet fillet! Shocked
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« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2007, 02:33:18 PM +0100 »

The only time I outbreak a slower class car is when I'm clearly invited too by them breaking early. A Vertigo will eat a Corvette for breakfast under braking and the last thing I want to end up as is a Gillet fillet! Shocked

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« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2007, 02:40:21 PM +0100 »

Having driven GT1 cars for the first time this season in Endurance it has given me insight into the view from the other side of the fence. Perhaps some who keep on about it should try one out in a mixed field and appreciate the difference in speed these things have on track, its amazing and a real eye opener  Shocked

I agree with MJ totaly. I was always an NGT driver at heart and only after I tried some mixed class races in GTs I was able to see the problem lies on the other side, too. There's always another side of the coin.  Wink Also, some NGT drivers are too accomodating and others are the other way around and it doesn't always go by the rule.   Undecided

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« Reply #69 on: July 23, 2007, 03:31:47 PM +0100 »

This debate will always rumble on. Again there was not many gt1 cars racing.  the speed difference between a gt1 and a vertigo is frightening at times. You close so fast and when you are in a flow you dont like to break it and sometimes end up over eager.       It's really hard from both sides of the fence. When you are making about 100 passes in one race, sometimes you will get a couple wrong. Not intentional but with split second decisions to make we are sometimes wrong.
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« Reply #70 on: July 23, 2007, 05:48:02 PM +0100 »

Back home and checking results I now see there was 11 GT1 cars. More than I thought. I just assumed that as I seemed to see lots of 911s and Vertigos!

I think it's fair to say most of the season has been great. Poor turn out from too many full time and reserve one drivers at times.

The clubmen championship is for those starting out and finding their feet. Not only to gain experience, learn tracks, set ups, pit stop strategies it's also race craft too.

There are a few drivers as quick as many masters over a race and single lap basis, but lack that little bit that comes with experience.

I remember being the same where every backmarker was treated with "I must get past as soon as" attitude. I've learned now that quite often squeezing past can result in contact, losing both parties time and even just holding a tight line can result in losing as much time as waiting until after the corner. Easy to reflect afterwards but when in race mode sometimes you choose the wrong decision.

It's hard to call at times but after racing more I understand more what I expect from fellow racers. Hopefully they know what to expect from me too.

I explained before I don't flash light etc, not because I'm ungrateful, I just feel it can be viewed as aggressive at times. I accept peoples view on the opposite.

I'm sure as the season went on it was easier for most parties. On the whole I have thought all the other drivers have been great, a few exceptions though.

I raced a few races in the 911 cup and Viper CC and it's really hard to concentrate on two races. The one ahead of you and the one catching up behind. Don't think it goes unnoticed how much effort you guys put in.

If I have been too aggressive or done anything to upset anyone on the track, let me know. It's the only way to learn.

Thanks everyone for some great racing this season and see you for the fun races soon!
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« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2007, 06:31:41 PM +0100 »


I had run 4th for quite a while and enjoyed a good battle with Kit-kat? in the viper but after my spin his pressure ceased and the gap just got bigger by the lap.

Viper was me...

Race for me was ok, was fairly close with KK, Myself and Gazza, i dropped back with a spin or summat, cant remember what. Ended up some 10-15 secs behind KK, when pitstops started i got lead for 5-6 laps...came out 12 secs infront of KK  Tongue.
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« Reply #72 on: July 23, 2007, 06:43:37 PM +0100 »


I had run 4th for quite a while and enjoyed a good battle with Kit-kat? in the viper but after my spin his pressure ceased and the gap just got bigger by the lap.

Viper was me...

Race for me was ok, was fairly close with KK, Myself and Gazza, i dropped back with a spin or summat, cant remember what. Ended up some 10-15 secs behind KK, when pitstops started i got lead for 5-6 laps...came out 12 secs infront of KK  Tongue. Only complaint is one paticular backmarker..not naming names, but it seems in his rule book, blue flag means, reduce speed and do everything possible to hold the faster car up, and maybe cause an accident.  Huh

Seen better driving in public servers...not impressed

Thought you used a very odd race stategy Roadrunner. Why did you run for so long in first stint?
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« Reply #73 on: July 23, 2007, 06:52:06 PM +0100 »

Shorter 2nd stint...I knew i was never gonna get anywhere near you or Backo, and i was able to keep up with KK and Gazza without to much trouble, so as far as i was concerned i was racing for 3rd at best. Maybe done summat different if i knew 3rd was gonna be difficult as well
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« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2007, 06:59:37 PM +0100 »

...And i didnt really know what to expect from a Viper...never used it in a race of that length, never mind the UKGTR spec version...was a bit of a learning curve as such
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