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July 17, 2023, 09:14:19 PM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGTL Season 22 BRDC Ford Challenge Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Escort RS (#96029) GTC-TC-76 1 1:33.078
94.054mph
1 15:45.010
92.638mph
10 1:32.759
94.378mph
Michelin  
Daz9
 
Ford Escort RS (#96005) GTC-TC-76 2 +1.559
92.485mph
10 1:31.774
95.391mph
Michelin  
Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ford Escort RS (#96018) GTC-TC-76 3 +17.210
90.981mph
10 1:33.717
93.413mph
Michelin  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford Escort RS (#96032) GTC-TC-76 4 +20.661
90.656mph
10 1:34.633
92.509mph
Michelin  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ford Escort RS (#96023) GTC-TC-76 3 +3.240
90.890mph
5 +33.317
89.483mph
10 1:35.239
91.920mph
Michelin  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Escort RS (#96043) GTC-TC-76 2 +1.636
92.430mph
6 +50.818
87.911mph
10 1:36.098
91.099mph
Michelin  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford Escort RS (#96013) GTC-TC-76 4 +5.285
89.001mph
7 +1:14.526
85.866mph
10 1:39.701
87.806mph
Michelin  

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« on: February 24, 2023, 01:56:21 PM +0000 »

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Cars: '92 Ford Escort RS

Track: Brands Hatch (GP)

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Race: 20:30 (10 laps)

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2023, 10:07:11 PM +0100 »

Error with the results.

Will fix as soon as possible.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2023, 12:25:41 PM +0100 »

After last nights races I thought to myself "finally getting a feel for these rocket ships", then I looked at how many more races to the end of the series.
 I should have known!! it always seems to be the way of things that when I am struggling with a particular car I only begin to gel in the final few races lol.
For me it is all about having confidence in the "grip" and confidence that the car will a) turn in and b) actually stick through the apex, plus not being afraid to hit the rev limiter in each gear. All of the above being things that I have had to avoid like the plague for 15 years in GPL. Old lessons die hard!

I guess that I should confess right now that my less than enthusiastic opinion of these projectiles in the first races has changed, and now I can say I quite enjoy them.  Wink

Race 1
The usual suspects occupied the front rows with times about 2 secs faster than anything that I could fashion. Tony made a rapid launch and was up the inside into Druids and looking for another place into Graham Hill. but contact with Erling? sent 2 cars onto the grass. Geoffers was also rallycrossing and I suddenly found myself promoted to second place with Daz loitering about 200mtrs ahead. I say "loitering" because for about 2 laps I was holding the gap, which was clearly a false situation. But, the mayhem behind had gifted me a huge gap to 3rd place where Tony was now doing sterling work in holding the angry horde at bay ( that wide bodied Escort was worth every penny  Wink ). Eventually Erling broke free and was closing quite steadily, A quick bit of mental arithmetic revealed that he would catch me well before the flag. I wimped out and did not contest the place when Erling loomed in the mirrors, reasoning that to try and run a second a lap faster AND fend off Erling was a recipe for disaster and probably losing the podium spot. But I did ( almost) hang on to Erling for the remaining laps, which was encouraging.

Race 2
My stellar display in Race 1 demoted me to the back of the grid where Erling was kind enough to point out that I still had a 5mtr advantage over his car ....well woopidoo!! give the cat a goldfish!! That "advantage" evaporated as soon as the lights went out and he swept into Paddock Hill ahead of me with Daz "up my chuff".
At Druids it all got a bit handbags and paint swapping on the opening lap. I saw a car ahead  slew around and block two cars....Erling being one of them and I just had time to jink to the outside and gain 3 places running down to Graham Hill Bend  Grin. Geoffers was away in front but I was now chasing down Tony for 2nd spot.
I felt that I was just a little quicker than Tony but I just could not find a place to stick my nose in and force the move.  After a few laps Daz was closing fast, so I flashed him through hoping that if he tackled Tony it might provide an opening for me to slip through as well. No such luck!! Then Erling again was in my mirrors. OK, let us see if you can provoke a mistake from Tony who was defending his place heroically. Erling was stalled by Tony for a lap or two and I sat and waited. If I had known that Erling was going to be so nice to Tony I would not have let him through lol. Then there was a jostling for track space at the exit of Druids that put Tony "off line" at the bottom of the hill. I took the chance and fired through on the inside kerbing to finally move ahead and set off after Erling (again!!!) .
The last few laps I hassled Erling as best I could but eventually an excursion across the grass on the final lap allowed him to escape.

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2023, 03:02:11 PM +0100 »

Tough races as always in these cars.  Would like the address the thorny issue of driving standards, which I feel are hitting an all time low in this hotly contested series.  In race 1, I was summarily punted off at T3, with no waiting or anything, dropping me to the bottom of the field. So much for qualifying 2nd.. My 80% controlled rejoin created more problems for Matt than I realized at the time, so not beyond reproach myself. Apologies to Matt for that. 

In race 2, I was bumped into Matt at T2, spinning him round. The culprit steered around us both and slipped away..  Again apologies to Matt; was out of my hands.  Tried to push you back in the right direction as best I could.  When Daz exploited a backing off moment by me to avoid hitting Matt again, and zoomed past, I was once more at the back of the field, having to try and work my way through.

I know it's hard to overtake in these cars, but can't say I was impressed by things last night.  A reminder of the normal courteous driving habits in UKGTL is in place methinks!
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2023, 04:58:06 PM +0100 »

Bit of a night to forget that one.. Roll Eyes

Race 1: I had 0 FFB at the start (this rig/install does that occasionally) and was turning the wheel way too much for some laps
until I got a sort of hang of it. So was all over the road in the 1st few laps, and fell back.

Race2: As Erling mentioned, I had to take evasive action to avoid his rejoin. Wasn't a big deal, just a bit scary  Shocked
and then 4 into one corner doesn't go on one lap. I thought Tony had spun me round at first, but that was just the
last part of some falling dominoes. Can't say anyone was the "cause" The initiator was a "bit keen" perhaps
Not worthy of a report, just an unfortunate melee, putting me well to the rear.

And then I struggled to get past Paul without contact who was
just fast enough to make it difficult. The ones behind got past, as I was lifting to avoid contact
Paul graciously went off later and I sailed past, but was too far back to make any impression
on anyone in front.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2023, 05:06:52 PM +0100 »

I'm confident that any critique contained above will concern me, but I will not be able to look at any replays until the weekend, so injured parties will have to wait until then

Meantime..........

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2023, 06:29:14 PM +0100 »

Result_Race_1

Result_Race_2

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2023, 08:32:31 PM +0100 »

Thanks for the results Kurt. You have given me a massive clue as to where I went wrong with the results.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2023, 11:17:46 AM +0100 »

Race results now corrected and posted.

For Race 1 go here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=34482.msg651562#msg651562
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2023, 11:26:38 AM +0100 »

In race 1, I was summarily punted off at T3, with no waiting or anything, dropping me to the bottom of the field.
Replay shows that you turned into me at Graham Hill bend. I had the racing line and did not move across the track into you.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2023, 11:33:05 AM +0100 »

In race 2, I was bumped into Matt at T2, spinning him round. The culprit steered around us both and slipped away.. 
At Druids, both Erling and I appear to collide with Matt at the same moment.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2023, 11:45:41 AM +0100 »

In race 1, I was summarily punted off at T3, with no waiting or anything, dropping me to the bottom of the field.
Replay shows that you turned into me at Graham Hill bend. I had the racing line and did not move across the track into you.

Have to disagree on that. The racing line goes from the right side of the track, turning left into the corner, clipping the apex.  That's the line I was on when you came flying up the inside.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2023, 11:49:38 AM +0100 »

In race 1, I was summarily punted off at T3, with no waiting or anything, dropping me to the bottom of the field.
Replay shows that you turned into me at Graham Hill bend. I had the racing line and did not move across the track into you.

Have to disagree on that. The racing line goes from the right side of the track, turning left into the corner, clipping the apex.  That's the line I was on when you came flying up the inside.
Ok, not the racing line, agreed. But I did not hit you.
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2023, 02:47:24 PM +0100 »

In race 1, I was summarily punted off at T3, with no waiting or anything, dropping me to the bottom of the field.
Replay shows that you turned into me at Graham Hill bend. I had the racing line and did not move across the track into you.

Have to disagree on that. The racing line goes from the right side of the track, turning left into the corner, clipping the apex.  That's the line I was on when you came flying up the inside.
Ok, not the racing line, agreed. But I did not hit you.

So you're saying my car jumped off the track by itself??   I think you need to rewatch the replay - and it's race 1 we're talking about, in case there's any confusion.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2023, 04:38:51 PM +0100 »

Not wanting to get into a bun fight, we normally avoid discussing incidents in the forum... but..
From the replay, what I see is: Clive gets up the inside of Erling, and shoves him into me
and I get sideways blocking the track. Tony is involved, but he's not the initiator
Erling has a go at pushing me straight, intentionally or not, but I end up nose into the corner
blocking the track.

As I said "4 into one corner doesn't go" I could say Clive was the initiator, but he wasn't doing
anything that anyone else would have. Just a racing incident to me.  tank oops

Hmm, not sure I am talking about race one.  Roll Eyes have to check

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