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  • GT Sprint - S1 R1 - Barcelona: July 13, 2005
July 13, 2005, 09:22:16 PM +0100 - Barcelona (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 1 GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Mark Harrison
 Kerb Crawlers
Lister Storm GT1 1 1:38.011
107.705mph
1 31:04.640
101.903mph
18 1:39.989
105.574mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT GT1 3 +1.046
106.567mph
2 +8.945
101.416mph
18 1:40.312
105.234mph
Michelin  
locutos ukgtr
 DM Racing
Lister Storm GT1 5 +1.285
106.311mph
3 +14.141
101.136mph
18 1:39.956
105.609mph
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze insane Penguins
Lister Storm GT1 9 +1.765
105.799mph
4 +24.876
100.561mph
18 1:40.235
105.315mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Lister Storm GT1 4 +1.278
106.318mph
5 +28.925
100.346mph
18 1:39.716
105.863mph
Dunlop  
Luis Branco
 Team Shark
Saleen S7-R GT1 7 +1.364
106.226mph
6 +32.242
100.171mph
18 1:39.706
105.874mph
Dunlop  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Saleen S7-R GT1 8 +1.518
106.062mph
7 +38.057
99.865mph
18 1:41.392
104.113mph
Dunlop  
Smoothy
 Team Shark
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 14 +3.595
103.894mph
8 +58.955
98.780mph
18 1:42.344
103.145mph
Michelin  
FlyBri
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 10 +2.318
105.216mph
9 +1:25.506
97.435mph
18 1:43.689
101.807mph
Michelin  
Glide
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT GT1 15 +3.708
103.778mph
10 +1L
95.686mph
17 1:42.410
103.078mph
Michelin  
cb95amc
 
Lister Storm GT1 11 +2.694
104.823mph
11 +2.440
95.562mph
17 1:43.078
102.410mph
Dunlop  
harv_gtr
 
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R GT1 16 +3.914
103.569mph
12 +9.107
95.224mph
17 1:43.276
102.214mph
Dunlop  
CP
 
Ferrari 575 GTC GT1 18 +5.148
102.330mph
13 +13.084
95.024mph
17 1:43.016
102.472mph
Pirelli  
[ZiP]Tyf
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 575 GTC GT1 20 +7.274
100.263mph
14 +24.778
94.439mph
17 1:42.986
102.502mph
Pirelli  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Saleen S7-R GT1 21 +7.664
99.893mph
15 (+3) +29.606
94.199mph
17 1:44.583
100.936mph
Dunlop  
fozzmeister
 The Crafty Butchers
Ferrari 575 GTC GT1 19 +5.159
102.319mph
16 +1:09.552
92.265mph
17 1:43.233
102.256mph
Pirelli  
bernie_eccle
 
Lister Storm GT1 17 +4.566
102.910mph
17 +2L 16 1:44.469
101.047mph
suspension
Dunlop  
RIKBRIANT
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 22 +7.995
99.581mph
18 +11L 7 1:47.125
98.541mph
unknown
Michelin  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Lister Storm GT1 6 +1.303
106.292mph
19 +13L 5 1:43.599
101.895mph
unknown
Dunlop  
slimey
 Team Shark
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 23 +8.980
98.665mph
20 5 1:47.468
98.227mph
unknown
Pirelli  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Lister Storm GT1 12 +2.874
104.636mph
21 +14L 4 1:44.107
101.398mph
unknown
Dunlop  
sho ryu ken
 
Saleen S7-R GT1 2 +0.986
106.632mph
22 +17L 1 2:29.583
70.571mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Woodee
 
Saleen S7-R GT1 24 +9.046
98.604mph
23 1 2:45.220
63.892mph
unknown
Dunlop  
mclaessen
 Speedworx
Saleen S7-R GT1 13 +2.980
104.527mph
+18L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop  

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Server replay time: 225s

Fozz runs a little wide in Renault and [Zip]Tyf passes him, but Zip brakes a little too late for Repsol, especially considering the traffic ahead, and locks up, somehow avoiding Bernie Eccle and Colin P and winding up on the outside of the corner. Colin tries to duck to the inside to avoiding running into the back of Zip, but makes side contact with Fozz, who continues undamaged. Finally, Fozz begins to move up the inside of Zip, who pulls across to the right to get off the dirty side of the track, clipping the front of Fozz's car, which isn't holding a tight line, and spinning out.

[ZiP]Tyf is the prime cause of the chain of events, but as far as I can tell, simply missed his braking point. All three drivers could have exercised more caution, as this was only the first lap.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 390s

Fozz overtakes Jamera into La Caixa. In common with most drivers, Fozz takes a wide line through La Caixa to get a good run out towards Banc Sabadell, but Jamera sticks his nose in the gap and Fozz spins as he moves back across at the exit.

Jamera did not submit an incident report, but from the replay it would appear that he probably thought Fozz had run a little wide, however, the corner is clearly a double apex left and he should have expected Fozz to cut back across again.

  • Jamerawarning — contact with Fozzmeister


Server replay time: 460s

Bernie Eccle has gone wide at Seat and is rejoining. FlyBri makes very light contact with him despite having a clear view ahead. [ZiP]Tyf also charges in despite having a good view of what was going on and nearly runs into the back of Bernie.

Just because a driver is rejoining, you do not have carte blanche to simply charge past them. As long as they are rejoining with due care, an approacing car has to take some responsibility for getting past safely.

  • FlyBricaution — exercise caution when approaching rejoining cars
  • [ZiP]Tyf ([ZIP]TYF)caution — exercise caution when approaching rejoining cars


Server replay time: 1250s

Glide has gone off at Banc Sabadell and Jamera spins in sympathy. Instead of waiting for the three cars behind him to pass he moves off immediately, collecting Fozz who spins.

If a driver spins or goes off, it is their responsibility to rejoin the race safely. That means stopping, looking around, and rejoining only when all reasonable steps have been taken to ensure that they aren't going to take an innocent driver with them.

It's not clear from the replay whether Jamera applied throttle to move off after the spin or simply released the brake, but the old adage "when you spin, both feet in" should really be followed by "and don't take them off again until you know it's safe to".

  • Jamerapenalty — dangerous rejoin — 3 places lost


Server replay time: 1730s

Mark Harrison runs into the back of [ZiP]Tyf in Repsol, launching him into the air.

It would appear that Mark couldn't actually see Zip's car. Gerald reported he was having the same problem.

  • Mark Harrisonadvice — make sure you've got at least 24 cars visible in your settings

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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2005, 10:21:24 PM +0100 »

well happy not to come last and to have some interesting tussles for a change... swapped places with glide a few times over the race as we took turns going into the gravel, a "battle" he eventually won  Cheesy
brain fade towards the end as the "1" in the sky behind me turned out not to be the ferrari but the lister that appeared behind it when i let the ferrari past  Roll Eyes seems i got the place back again, though under unfortunate circumstances.
congrats to mark and thanks all, 'twas great
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2005, 10:27:11 PM +0100 »

Had a nice race. Think I qualified 9th and finished 4th. Only had one spin, when Loc was pressuring me for about 3-4 laps. Didn't have any problems in the race, everything ran smooth and had a couple of decent little battles with Greg,Loc and Paul. Nice racing  Smiley
Thanks for the race all at UKGTR  Wink And grats to Mark  Grin
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2005, 10:29:11 PM +0100 »

well done mark.

Sorry to moan, but now i've only got 10 servers, all 10ticle servers and ukgtr have dissapeared, to choose from.
i'm off to kick the cat Angry
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2005, 10:31:42 PM +0100 »

There did seem to be a glitch with the lobby near the end of practice one. Whilst sitting in the lobby waiting to get a reserve spot i got a message about being disconnected from the lobby. I checked on the server in case something had gone with that and for some reason it had restarted the event. I suspect the 2 events are linked, given the state of this dreadful net code it wouldn't suprise me. I exited the lobby and came back in and everything seemed fine, I joined the server and we voted on to Q2 to keep things on schedule.

Finished 2nd, which I am quite chuffed about, I really wasn't expecting too with the quality drivers that had turned up. Just drove a very consistent error free race.

Congrats to Mark, he was in a class of his own, untouchable.
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2005, 10:32:33 PM +0100 »

well done mark.

Sorry to moan, but now i've only got 10 servers, all 10ticle servers and ukgtr have dissapeared, to choose from.
i'm off to kick the cat Angry

UKGTR is not running anymore Ginsters, so you definately wont be seeing it.
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2005, 10:59:07 PM +0100 »

Server replay and exports are now uploaded.

I uploaded the wrong one to start with so apologies if you got the first copy (it had the wrong replay and no exports), so basically poop.
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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2005, 11:24:41 PM +0100 »

BTW, thought i'd mention it here rather than as an incident report (as it's more a rule "breaking" than an incident), Mark from pole led the pace lap fine until the start finish straight. In my opinion the rule is that no-one accelerates past 75mph (ish) until after the start line, this was not the case in this race where Mark accelerated a long time before the start line taking P2 with him (presumably not wanting to get left behind). This resulted in an unfair gap between 1st and 3rd of about 2 seconds into T1 because 3rd (me) accelerated only after the start line as per what is the rule (as I see it and how it's been done previously).

This is how we've done pace laps in all previous races so I'm assuming my intrepretation is correct and has been set by example in previous races.

Just wanted to post this so everybody has a clear understanding on the correct starting procedure as I'm assuming Mark has intepreted it slightly differently. (Gizmo, correct me if I'm not intepreting the rule as you intended it.)
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2005, 11:33:00 PM +0100 »

Ah.  My interpretation was that I lead away from pole at 75mph, until we get to the start/finish straight, then I bolt when I choose to gain an advantage.  This is how it normally works where the leader acts as the pace car.  I wondered why I had such a big lead to 2nd and 3rd at the end of the S/F straight.  Sorry about that Sad

Looking at the rules, they make it fairly clear.  Oops Embarrassed
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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2005, 11:40:15 PM +0100 »

I couldn't even get into lobby  Sad
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2005, 03:44:00 AM +0100 »

Well, since about a week ago I’m sort of jinxed Grin and I’m doing silly mistakes one after the other that are becoming dreadful for my race expectations.
Tonight things seemed to starting to fit back to their right places.
Qualified within the top times (except Mark that was racing his own league in Barça Wink ) and sticked with the front group (again Mark aside, as no one seem to be able to follow him Cheesy ).
The racing times in the 4/5 cars group was very close, meaning it would be quite difficult and very risky to speed the pace to try to overtake. I could only expected that the front runners have a slip that allows me to take places.
And that was what happened, making possible to go up places till 3rd behind Simon.
Unfortunately the spell turn against the sorcerer and I made (again Angry ) a terrible and silly mistake that cost me dearly, and when I was only at little more then 3 secs from Simon.
I dropped from 3rd to 6th with little more then 3 minutes left till end.
I must say I’m starting to fell a bit frustrated with my driving and with finishing positions. This is even worst when I spin alone and without any really pressure from other drivers.
I’m going to take a time off from GTR, although respecting the commitments I’ve made with the 3 leagues I’m in (yeah, I know it’s too much, but really I couldn’t turn my back to any of them, being the last a Portuguese league)
But I’m going to limit my driving to the scheduled race days for each league. At least for some time till my jinx as gone Wink
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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2005, 09:36:41 AM +0100 »

Hi all, First off congrats to Mark for winning. What a difference racing with good, fair, clean drivers  Grin What a buzz racing in a league situation (1st time for me!).

My race- was struggling a bit in qualifying until i managed a 10th place lap which i was pleased about  Grin So driving round formation/pace lap with a big grin on me face lol gets to hairpin near end of lap before the 2 right handers, everyone started to accelerate, so in my keeness/noobness in wanting to keep up i accelerated too but spun like a noob   Angry putting me last before i crossed the start line!!

Had a good first couple of laps , some peeps in front spun off but managed to pass a few and eventually finished 9th. I was very pleased with myself, i never made any mistakes(big ones anyway!) during race  Grin, was happy at the consistacey of my race laps, although i was lapping only in the 1.43's. I need to practice my formation/pace laps LMAO,    Lol do i get ant points for 9th??

As far as peeps getting lost connection or whatever, i was in lobby an hr before race was due to start speaking to some peeps, and in the 20 mins i was there i lost connection 3 times, once the every game server lost connection so everyone racing at the time got kicked off, poor show simbin!

Anyways, thanks for the good race everyone,

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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2005, 10:11:17 AM +0100 »

Server replay and exports are now uploaded.

I uploaded the wrong one to start with so apologies if you got the first copy (it had the wrong replay and no exports), so basically poop.

Thanks, I'll upload the results when I get home.

Race was a bit of a disaster for me. Qualified a decent 6th on a very competitive grid, but missed my braking point at T1 a couple laps in. Ended up back in 13th, and two laps in a row found I couldn't spot my braking point from offline trying to pass harv, and flew off again. Think I'm relying too much on the track textures at some corners, looks like I need to practise driving off the racing line more.
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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2005, 11:00:24 AM +0100 »

Fozz, I think it may be one all  Grin, let me know what you think after viewing the replay

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« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2005, 11:12:41 AM +0100 »

After the calm of the NGT race, this was much more 'interesting'. Joined late with litle practice and in a Lister which I need practice in. Ended up 4th on the grid behind Simon in his Lambo. Followed him for a few laps at the start, with both of us gaining a place when Sho Ryu Ken Kishore went wide early on. I seemed to be a bit quicker but couldn't get close enough to pass, which was a bit frustrating. Dropped back a few times as backmarkers came into play but always got back on terms. Then had a bump with Locotus who looked to pass down the outside into T1 - he lost out and I was unaffected. Then had a rather silly stab up the inside into T1 (not sure why I tried it with hindsight?) where I ran wide and rejoined before Luis passed me. Yet again I was chasing Simon down, and was nearly back with him when I used too much gas out of Seat and spun. This left me 6th some way behind Jon, who kindly messed up Seat too a couple of laps later just so that we could have a battle  Smiley Great fun for several laps, but I was overdriving a car with worn tyres by now, and had to settle for 5th (Luis had dropped down by then).

One comment about the race - I was a bit confused by Rik Briant when we lapped him - he let Simon by straight away but then made me wait several corners, which cost quite a bit of time, something you don't have in a sprint race. Not sure it made any difference except that it took 2 more laps to catch Simon again. Rik didn't do anyting clearly against the rules, but if lapping drivers are not given reasonably even treatment it can really affect the result of a close race. As it turned out, by making me wait the cars behind me all bunched up and Rik lost out in the melee at la Caixa.

Anyway, the race was great fun if rather scrappy for me. Must try and get more GT practice before the next one (if I get in).

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« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2005, 11:45:08 AM +0100 »

Fozz, I think it may be one all  Grin, let me know what you think after viewing the replay

Well the former, that was my normal line (i always pull back across there, to the left of most peoples line).  I thought you were further behind but I clearly cut across you, the question is, is it my right to cut across you there because this is my normal line? the line does move left slightly there I think as well. Did you continue afterwards as I'd like to know if it does turn out to my fault.

The latter one you may have rolled down the hill and to be honest there was no way I was going to lift (which may swing any verdict back in your favour), Three times now I've been hit like that, and the previous two times I've got away with nothing more than a loss of speed down the next straight, and i've not been hit in situations like that about 6 times.

I haven't analyzed them both very hard yet and I don't believe you or I were outrageously stupid in any of them at present.

I will of course be submitting incident reports probably later on today, at which point you will see my final and considered opinion of the incidents (they get mailed to you too).

We aren't allowed to discuss incidents in public, and I hope that you (and anybody else reading this) understand that this opinion is based on about 2 viewings of the incidents. I admit my view may well change later on when I properly review it. I certainly have not drawn any final conclusions, and I would appreciate it if no one else would.

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