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  • U6UE Valencia: September 02, 2007
September 02, 2007, 09:03:00 PM +0100 - Valencia (GP) - UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Lister Storm (#4014) GT1 1 1:27.528
101.507mph
1 1:20:17.743
95.897mph
52 1:28.838
100.010mph
Michelin -25.0kg
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Lister Storm (#860003) GT1 2 +0.286
101.177mph
2 +18.304
95.534mph
52 1:29.296
99.497mph
Michelin -25.0kg
Paul Richards
 Kerb Crawlers
Saleen S7-R (#970013) GT1 5 +1.760
99.506mph
3 +1L
93.596mph
51 1:30.817
97.831mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper GTS-R (#850001) GT1 8 +2.148
99.076mph
4 +30.082
93.018mph
51 1:30.334
98.354mph
Pirelli -15.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#820008) GT1 7 +2.046
99.189mph
5 +30.553
93.009mph
51 1:30.474
98.202mph
Michelin +12.0kg
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#490052) GT1 9 +2.243
98.971mph
6 +43.256
92.768mph
51 1:30.650
98.011mph
Pirelli +25.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Maserati MC12 (#870013) GT1 4 +1.487
99.811mph
7 +1:14.377
92.180mph
51 1:30.066
98.647mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 10 +2.913
98.238mph
8 +2L
92.073mph
50 1:30.812
97.836mph
Michelin +12.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Maserati MC12 (#800052) GT1 6 +1.904
99.346mph
9 (+2) +16.964
91.750mph
50 1:30.971
97.665mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Morgan Aero 8 (#960013) GTC 12 +7.507
93.489mph
10 +3L
89.259mph
49 1:35.979
92.569mph
Michelin +5.0kg
João Abreu
 
Morgan Aero 8 (#3107) GTC 14 +8.296
92.719mph
11 +4L
87.757mph
48 1:37.170
91.435mph
Michelin +5.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Nissan 350Z (#990001) GTC 22 +9.135
91.914mph
12 +1.770
87.725mph
48 1:36.691
91.888mph
Michelin -17.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 18 +8.592
92.434mph
13 +16.285
87.464mph
48 1:37.571
91.059mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Morgan Aero 8 (#960013) GTC 19 +8.855
92.181mph
14 +26.610
87.279mph
48 1:36.837
91.749mph
Michelin +5.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 23 +9.245
91.810mph
15 +31.131
87.198mph
48 1:37.953
90.704mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Filipe Marques
 Sonic Racing Team
Morgan Aero 8 (#3107) GTC 17 +8.485
92.537mph
16 (+2) +47.019
86.916mph
48 1:36.343
92.220mph
Michelin +5.0kg
pribeiro
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 Modena (#4064) GTC 24 +9.893
91.199mph
17 +47.206
86.913mph
48 1:37.276
91.335mph
Pirelli +25.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4059) GTC 21 +9.098
91.950mph
18 +5L
86.320mph
47 1:37.178
91.427mph
Michelin +30.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Mosler MT900R (#520029) GTC 15 +8.403
92.616mph
19 +36.528
85.673mph
47 1:37.054
91.544mph
Dunlop +15.0kg
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 25 +9.951
91.145mph
20 +6L
84.587mph
46 1:38.564
90.142mph
Michelin +30.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 27 +10.579
90.561mph
21 +18.581
84.263mph
46 1:39.273
89.498mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Morgan Aero 8 (#860008) GTC 16 +8.474
92.547mph
22 +20L 32 1:37.555
91.074mph
unknown
Michelin +5.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#490052) GT1 11 +3.411
97.700mph
23 +24L 28 1:31.931
96.645mph
DQ
Pirelli +25.0kg
will16v
 
Porsche 993 GT2 (#3038) G2 26 +10.164
90.946mph
24 +35L 17 1:36.412
92.154mph
unknown
Dunlop  
John
 Team Pseudo Racing
Morgan Aero 8 (#3107) GTC 13 +8.263
92.751mph
25 +48L 4 1:37.263
91.347mph
engine
Michelin +5.0kg
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980003) GT1 3 +0.973
100.391mph
+52L 0 ---
---
unknown
Michelin +12.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Mosler MT900R (#520029) GTC 20 +9.024
92.020mph
0 ---
---
unknown
Dunlop +15.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 478s

Having nearly run into the back left corner of Darren in turn 8, and come very close to rear ending him in a number of other turns on the same lap, Filipe Marques runs smack into the back of Darren's Morgan in the final turn; contact is relatively light but Darren is pushed into the gravel.

Filipe does the honorable thing and slows along the straight until Darren catches and passes him, both cars losing a fair number of places and a lot of time in the process.

Filipe is quick but has not yet learned the importance of caution, driving within one's own abilities and taking account of the abilities of those one is racing with - an important part of league participation.

  • Filipe Marquespenalty — contact with Darren — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 478s

Shark uses the massive torque of the Viper engine to haul in Reign Man's MC12 along the main straight. As the approach turn 1, RM squeezes him further and further to the right, even after Shark starts to gain some overlap with his car, until Shark has to run over the grass before getting back onto the pit exit lane.

As they reach the turn in point, Shark's car veers left a little, but Reign Man completely fails to turn in. The cars make contact and the MC12 is turned across the nose of the Viper, and both go into the gravel trap.

One of the driver's reports was disappointingly terse and provided no useful information on their perspective or state of mind.

Shark's chances of actually pulling off an outside pass here were optimistic. At the same time, Reign Man had no right to squeeze him off the track having made a move to a defensive inside line - forcing Shark onto the grass almost certainly was a major factor in the contact.

Backo nearly collides with Shark after a late (and unreported) lunge by Truetom (who waited afterwards) puts him into the same gravel trap.

  • Reign Mancaution — forcing another driver off the track


Server replay time: 2265s

Reign Man has run off the track in the final corner and in attempting to rejoin he chooses completely the wrong moment to hit the throttle and puts himself broadside across the track right in front of Popabawa's Vertigo.

  • Reign Manpenalty — dangerous rejoin — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 3209s

Mo is lapping Popabawa's Vertigo around the outside of turn 5. Pops exits the corner as normal and gets caught out by Mo's car (which is off line) being slower out of the corner, the Vertigo running into the Maserati and spinning it out.

I'm unsure what penalty should apply here as it's an unusual situation; since Mo chose not to report it, I'll be generous.

  • popabawawarning — contact with Mo
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 4772s

Filipe Marques shows better restraint as he catches Adam Parle's Vertigo near the end of the race, but he makes a horlicks of an overtaking attempt into turn 8, not even getting alongside before Adam turns in, and then sliding his Morgan into the side of Adam's car, almost pushing him into a spin and taking the place anyway. There were still a few laps left and Filipe would've gotten past the Vertigo easily on the main straight.

Adam had the last laugh as Filipe spins a lap later, inadvertently handing the place back.

  • Filipe Marquespenalty — contact with Adam Parle — 2 places lost

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
G2
1:37.692
90.946mph
will16v
Qualifying
Porsche 993 GT2September 02, 2007, 09:03:00 PM +0100
U6UE
GTR2
G2
1:36.412
92.154mph
will16v
Race
Porsche 993 GT2September 02, 2007, 09:03:00 PM +0100
U6UE
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2007, 10:13:08 AM +0100 »

I would like to switch to a GT1 reserve Dave. I want to have a full time place in the lower GTC race as a priority.

Are you switching to the Vertigo then? If you're actually going to race Upper Endurance in GT1 then why not full time?
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2007, 10:18:37 AM +0100 »

Because I can't say that I will do enough races Dave. I got tired of contact in GT1 last season so I don't have the desire to do a full season. I do however want to race GTC, but I want to race the quickest drivers (who are mostly in the GT1 endurance and so cannot do upper GTC) and the GT2s, both of which will be in the lower endurance. I think I've made it clear enough where I stood on the issue of an ability split.

[Edit] No, I'm not switching to the Vertigo. Is there a reason why I should?
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2007, 10:49:27 AM +0100 »

Because I can't say that I will do enough races Dave. I got tired of contact in GT1 last season so I don't have the desire to do a full season. I do however want to race GTC, but I want to race the quickest drivers (who are mostly in the GT1 endurance and so cannot do upper GTC) and the GT2s, both of which will be in the lower endurance. I think I've made it clear enough where I stood on the issue of an ability split.

You did, yet your position here is not consistent with those views.

If you race a quicker driver and want to race in both Endurances, I strongly advise you to either run GTC in Upper (full time or reserve) and GT2 in Lower, or GTC Upper as a reserve (let's face it, there will be spaces) and GTC Lower full time in the Vertigo with the other quicker drivers. If we're going to make two Endurance series work we all need to be prepared to make some compromises and sacrifces or we'll see more withering grids.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2007, 11:05:34 AM +0100 »

I'm quite happy to make compromises Dave, but I don't have the information to hand to make any choice yet. All I know is that most of the quick drivers who I normally compete against are doing GT1 endurance, hence they cannot do upper GTC endurance. I am not really interested in driving round for 80 minutes with one or two other drivers for company, and this is what upper GTC promises to be for me.

Lower GTC on the other hand has GT2 drivers as well, so if I drive GTC I will almost certainly be battling some of them as well, much as I did last season in the sprint. Looking at the number registering for the Vertigo, I assumed (and this was all I could do) that a fair number of the quick GT1 drivers would be in the race in non-vertigos. I hope that some will choose GTC like me, but until I see who chose what I can only guess. If you are telling me that all the fast drivers are taking Vertigos then that might change things. Even so, the Vertigo may be very competitive in a GTC endurance race so there isn't really any need not to choose another GTC instead. Personally I prefer the other GTCs because the Vertigo is a bit too forgiving.

The point is, the race I want to be in is definitely the lower race. My priority is having as many other cars as possible at a similar pace. I may well race in Upper Endurance, but I don't want that place to prevent me getting a full time slot in lower GTC endurance.

One other idea to make it more attractive to race in upper GTC. Could you try creating a lighter cup car? If you can boost it's performance a bit I might have a chance to compete with the GTCs. Just a thought.
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2007, 11:22:31 AM +0100 »

The point is, the race I want to be in is definitely the lower race. My priority is having as many other cars as possible at a similar pace. I may well race in Upper Endurance, but I don't want that place to prevent me getting a full time slot in lower GTC endurance.

For the championship to have any meaning in Endurance we need cars of the same class racing each other if at all possible.

I've posted a very provisional Lower Endurance listing - I doubt that you'll be racing many of the GT2 cars in a GTC, you'll either be zipping off into the distance or left for dead. In GTC we have pribeiro, Adam and Zacari in the Vertigo, all of whom ought to be pretty competetive. It's probably only Reign Man who will give you a run for your money in a non-Vertigo GTC.

Ultimately I'm not going to prevent you running any GTC you like in Lower Endurance (assuming the grids aren't full), but you'll no doubt end up moaning about always carring maximum ballast after the first three rounds. Tongue

If you find the Vertigo too forgiving you aren't driving it hard enough... Wink laugh

One other idea to make it more attractive to race in upper GTC. Could you try creating a lighter cup car? If you can boost it's performance a bit I might have a chance to compete with the GTCs. Just a thought.

I suggested that a while back and it was generally thought that you'd have to take a huge amount of weight off it to make it truly competetive. It's way too late now in any case. Now if you were to sign up for GT3 Endurance I'll bet you could get in amongst the slower GTC cars in the GT3 Cup - I seem to recall that you've managed it before...
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2007, 11:30:01 AM +0100 »

Would it help or hinder at all if I was to swap into Lower Endurance GTC from GT2?...this would mainly to ensure an even spread of team drivers accross both classes as we currently have three in GT2 and only one in GTC.
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2007, 12:39:28 PM +0100 »

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For the championship to have any meaning in Endurance we need cars of the same class racing each other if at all possible.

I would be though - GTC in a GT2/GTC championship. At the end of the day though, close racing is more important than winning a championship (to me anyway).

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I've posted a very provisional Lower Endurance listing - I doubt that you'll be racing many of the GT2 cars in a GTC, you'll either be zipping off into the distance or left for dead. In GTC we have pribeiro, Adam and Zacari in the Vertigo, all of whom ought to be pretty competetive. It's probably only Reign Man who will give you a run for your money in a non-Vertigo GTC.

That isn't how I read it. I think I will have a chance to mix it with some GT2s, although clearly the faster ones won't hang around. I also wonder whether there might be a few reserves adding to the list. I have no problem competing with the Vertigo boys btw.

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Ultimately I'm not going to prevent you running any GTC you like in Lower Endurance (assuming the grids aren't full), but you'll no doubt end up moaning about always carring maximum ballast after the first three rounds.


That is the only fly in the ointment.

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Bring it on Nissan boy! Any time you'd like to compare laptimes we can see who's not driving hard enough  Tongue Even when you are flogging it to death, the Vertigo lets you get away with murder! [sorry for the rather excessive morbidity in that sentence  Wink]

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I suggested that a while back and it was generally thought that you'd have to take a huge amount of weight off it to make it truly competetive. It's way too late now in any case. Now if you were to sign up for GT3 Endurance I'll bet you could get in amongst the slower GTC cars in the GT3 Cup - I seem to recall that you've managed it before...

Yes, but then you were talking about creating a cup car capable of competing on level terms. In this case I just want a leg up to bridge the gap a little. The cup car in standard trim isn't quick enough to challenge the GTCs unless there is a big driver difference, but take around 60-80 Kgs off and it would be not too far off. With the success ballast it would be worth a try IMO. I would be far more interested in driving a lightened cup car than a lonely drive in upper GTC.

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2007, 12:50:04 PM +0100 »

It looks a pretty impressive line-up in GTC, I hope I can coax a performance out of the Vertigo to compete.

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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2007, 12:52:40 PM +0100 »

Hey Paul dont write us all off in upper enduro GTC  Wink

DG, If it helps, i wouldnt mind a reserve slot for the lower enduro in GT2 perhaps. I usually race every week anyway and no doubt there will be a few drop outs. Plus that means i get to race TT and Sharky boy  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2007, 12:58:32 PM +0100 »

Not writing anyone off Mark, I just prefer to mix it in the middle of the pack than drive up near the front, especially in a long endurance race. I really enjoyed the GTC sprint last year, so I'd like to see more of that sort of racing.
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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2007, 01:02:01 PM +0100 »

To be fair, we are all writing you off Jonzo Wink

Agreed Pops, as far as I can see we are all pretty evenly matched in GTC. I fully expect a memorable season  Smiley . Just hope the Morgan is competitive in my hands now.

Good luck to you all.
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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2007, 01:12:10 PM +0100 »

TBH I'm tempted to simply scrub the registration process for everything but GTC/GT2 Sprint - but we have slightly too many drivers to make Endurance a free for all.
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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2007, 01:22:57 PM +0100 »

I understand where you coming from with that Dave, but IMO the registration for events both ensures a position on the grid for 'regular' drivers...even if by chance there was a full grid...and also allows people to do exactly what they are doing at the moment (apart from causing you headaches Grin) and adjust their registrations to be able to race against the people/abilities they think will make for better racing.
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2007, 01:26:54 PM +0100 »

I'd be very wary of spending a lot of time practicing if I didn't have a guaranteed slot to race  Undecided
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2007, 02:37:48 PM +0100 »

Not writing anyone off Mark, I just prefer to mix it in the middle of the pack than drive up near the front, especially in a long endurance race. I really enjoyed the GTC sprint last year, so I'd like to see more of that sort of racing.

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