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  • U6-3 Monza: September 17, 2007
September 17, 2007, 08:39:18 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 2000-present) - UKGTR Season 6 GT3 Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 1 1:51.284
116.241mph
1 20:41.792
114.587mph
11 1:51.748
115.758mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 3 +0.704
115.510mph
2 +4.554
114.168mph
11 1:51.861
115.641mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 4 +0.917
115.291mph
3 +19.304
112.833mph
11 1:52.827
114.651mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 5 +1.056
115.148mph
4 +24.211
112.396mph
11 1:53.397
114.075mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 7 +1.464
114.732mph
5 +28.185
112.044mph
11 1:53.054
114.421mph
Dunlop +0.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 6 +1.459
114.737mph
6 +28.801
111.990mph
11 1:53.546
113.925mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 15 +4.223
111.991mph
7 +40.953
110.929mph
11 1:53.932
113.539mph
Dunlop +15.0kg
Joss
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 2 +0.202
116.030mph
8 +46.460
110.455mph
11 1:51.889
115.612mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
John Kingham
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 9 +50.793
110.084mph
11 1:54.704
112.775mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 14 +3.694
112.506mph
10 +52.710
109.921mph
11 1:55.250
112.241mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 8 +1.528
114.666mph
11 +55.107
109.718mph
11 1:53.384
114.088mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 12 +2.741
113.447mph
12 +55.513
109.684mph
11 1:54.817
112.664mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Mr.BMW
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 16 +4.336
111.882mph
13 +1L
103.043mph
10 1:56.234
111.291mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Crash141
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 14 +2:28.262
92.159mph
10 1:58.517
109.147mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 11 +2.674
113.513mph
15 10 1:55.357
112.137mph
unknown
Dunlop -10.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 9 +2.046
114.142mph
16 +3L 8 1:54.297
113.177mph
unknown
Dunlop -10.0kg
ossie
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 13 +3.666
112.534mph
17 +4L 7 1:53.945
113.526mph
unknown
Dunlop +10.0kg
John
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 10 +2.190
113.997mph
+11L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop -10.0kg
Stewprovo
 
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 0 ---
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DQ
Dunlop -10.0kg
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
GT3
1:51.284
116.241mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé
+10.0kg
September 17, 2007, 08:39:18 PM +0100
U6-3
GTR2
GT3
1:51.748
115.758mph
Jeffrey
Race
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé
+10.0kg
September 17, 2007, 08:39:18 PM +0100
U6-3
September 17, 2007, 09:14:27 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 2000-present) - UKGTR Season 6 GT3 Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 1 20:52.728
113.587mph
11 1:52.135
115.359mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 2 +8.760
112.798mph
11 1:52.930
114.547mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 3 +11.384
112.564mph
11 1:52.686
114.795mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 4 +24.664
111.394mph
11 1:53.475
113.996mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
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 Kerb Crawlers
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 5 +28.867
111.028mph
11 1:53.262
114.211mph
Dunlop +0.0kg
pribeiro
 Sonic Racing Team
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 6 +29.314
110.990mph
11 1:54.095
113.377mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 7 +34.169
110.571mph
11 1:54.684
112.795mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Joss
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 8 +36.830
110.343mph
11 1:52.033
115.464mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
ossie
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 9 (+2) +45.700
109.589mph
11 1:55.111
112.376mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 10 (+1) +47.708
109.420mph
11 1:54.651
112.827mph
Dunlop +15.0kg
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 11 +57.075
108.637mph
11 1:53.095
114.380mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 12 +57.293
108.619mph
11 1:54.429
113.046mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 13 +1:20.105
106.760mph
11 1:56.054
111.463mph
Dunlop -10.0kg
Crash141
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 14 +1:49.452
104.460mph
11 1:58.174
109.464mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
John Kingham
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 15 (+1) +1L 10 1:54.584
112.893mph
suspension
Dunlop +10.0kg
Stewprovo
 
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 16 +3L
81.237mph
8 1:55.712
111.793mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#840008) GT3 17 +10L 1 2:08.571
100.612mph
unknown
Dunlop -10.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 129s

Freq brakes far later than Pseudo into T1 of the of opening chicane. He slips up the inside and leaves plenty of room for Pseudo on outside. Unfortunately TT, who is also taking the same wide line through T1, makes a small slip in front of Pseudo who tries to avoid him and moves slightly to the right, making slight contact with Freq. I'm sure Freq would have passed safely if Pseudo didn't take unavoidable avoiding action with TT so its a racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 131s

This incident follows the one above. After touching Freq, Pseudo reacts by slowing a little more, which means he is going very slowly around second part of chicane. This, not surprisingly, takes Ossie by surprise and he touches the back of Pseudo starting his spin. Instead of braking, and allowing Pseudo a chance to recover, Ossie continues to accelerate. He argues that any braking or avoiding manoeuvre would have "caused mayhem" behind, but it is each drivers responsibility to react in the correct manner, and anyone behind would then have had the responsibility to avoid him. If they didn't, then they would receive the penalty


Server replay time: 218s

John gets a good tow from Ossie along the straight preceding Curva Parabolica. When Ossie brakes, John appears to brake very soon after but is travelling faster, as a result of tow, than Ossie and can't stop in the same distance. He resultantly rear ends Ossie, who is thrown into the sand. In mitigation, the surprisingly large tow factor caught many out and John should be commended for apologising unreservedly to Ossie. He also waited for Ossie to rejoin before continuing.

  • John Kinghampenalty — Rear Contact — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 1035s

Approaching Parabolica, Dave is closing on Ossie and brakes later resulting in minor contact.

Dave doesn't appear to be making a passing attempt but does however seem to brake slightly later than on his previous laps. Ossie on the other hand appears to brake in the same spot as he had on previous laps.
This appears to be a simple misjudgement by Dave, caused through being slightly off line and at a tighter entry angle to the corner than he was accustomed to.

As it was not intended as a passing move, and because Dave correctly waited for Ossie to resume ahead the penalty is reduced to 1 place.

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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2007, 10:02:50 PM +0100 »

Can't remember how I overtook TT  Embarrassed, but I do know that FreQ thought T1 was a hairpin  Wink.
U cheeky monkey. My back-end-out T1 styleee works perfectly...unless I don't catch it :p

many commiserations to the track greedy Freq!  Tongue ta for the place mate!!  Cheesy
Yea yea yea  Kiss
Argh, better qualy than I thought in second, R1 was tight with me and Backo until I got a stop/go which put me into 9th - got past Jonzo on the last lap to make it 8th...woooo

R2 was nuts, with a crazy start getting to 2nd, then a great battle with TT and going side by side for what....3 or 4 corners?! Awesome  Cool

Then my slidey T1 style let Jeff past....then I did it again.....then I stayed about 1-ish seconds behind him for a few laps. Then I cut again on the last friggin lap and had too pit again...8th place....woooo

The track cutting is an awesome idea and works really well. Shame I can't stop cutting the second chicane Sad

GR all Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2007, 10:04:15 PM +0100 »

Well done everyone...pretty decent races for our first outing in this format.

I don't know why but I was doing mid 1:53's for fun all day and in qually...but best lap in races was 1:56 Shocked
Have no idea where I lost 3 secs a lap  Roll Eyes. Started first race mid table..11th I think but, as is the norm, soon found myself scrapping for last Cheesy. Second race started 2nd with the reversal (which worked  clap)
but got tagged into turn 1 and ended up in 13th by turn 2....ah well...I'm not used to being near the front anyway. Grin

Thanks to all that made it and for selecting the correct car after the noob that started the server forgot to alter the settings Embarrassed

well done JR....how can we stop you?Huh?? I Am Not Worthy
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2007, 10:34:58 PM +0100 »

Admittedly that was prolly was less fun than 811 race. Either the Viper or the track didn't make for the closest of racing. Having said that, I still had much fun Smiley

Race 1 had a nice battle with Darren. He whizzed past me on the straight bits and I'd outbrake him into the curvy bits. Took me a while to adjust cause, as Dave mentioned, Darren seemed to brake far earlier than I guessed but that was a result of a very different setup I think. Nice.

Race 2 and it was back to battling PR for a change Wink. Great fun as always mate and nice to come out on top for a change. We'll do it again (Wednesday I bet Smiley).

Realise things didn't go perfectly, particularly the standing start may have to be reviewed, and we are open to constructive criticism. I did think reversing the grid seemed to work well (old Pseudo is getting faster Wink), pleasing to hear what Ruskus said and would be interested to hear what the other fast chaps think of it. As its really designed to give them some extra fun/challenge. 

Also nice to see some new faces tonight. You'll be more than welcome again next week Smiley. Hope I got your entries right in race results.
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2007, 10:48:17 PM +0100 »


Race 2 and it was back to battling PR for a change Wink. Great fun as always mate and nice to come out on top for a change. We'll do it again (Wednesday I bet Smiley).


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Indeed Ginsters, lets hope so.....its been a habit (a good one)  Cheesy
See you on Wednesday then  Wink
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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2007, 10:52:09 PM +0100 »


Realise things didn't go perfectly, particularly the standing start may have to be reviewed, and we are open to constructive criticism. I did think reversing the grid seemed to work well (old Pseudo is getting faster Wink), pleasing to hear what Ruskus said and would be interested to hear what the other fast chaps think of it. As its really designed to give them some extra fun/challenge. 


Monza has a big strip of tarmac on the right, which made it possible for me to gain almost 10 places. This isn't the case at other tracks which will make it much more difficult. It did give me a challenge the second race, behind FreQ.
Twitsy tracks with slower cars will be much more difficult (Adria).
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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2007, 11:18:48 PM +0100 »

Replays

Race 1 https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/UKGTR%20Monza%20-%20GT3%20Race%201%20070917.zip
Race 2 https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/UKGTR%20Monza%20-%20GT3%20Race%202%20070917.zip
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2007, 11:23:38 PM +0100 »

Don't worry, Picnic, things happen with too many pedals.  Grin
Race 2 - like Freq wrote, we were side by side through some corners, always managed to let space to another.  Cool  Cheeky Ruskus was just waiting for the outcome and when I danced over some kerbs I lost half a second and both drove away.  Roll Eyes  Then I was watching my back where Backo and Madd-Ripp were slowing themselves down and let me finish 3rd.  Smiley  Oh, wait - 2nd.  Cheesy  Bad luck, Freq.  Undecided
Great fun, these fun races.  Wink  Looking forward to the next, though some other car might be more fun.  Cheesy
Good show, Legends and Leg-ends.  Tongue

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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2007, 11:38:47 PM +0100 »


 Well i had fun for my 1st foray into your racing league, even if i'm not in it, was still fun being out there. Hopefully i can get my setups and stuff improved and stay on par with the slower trafffic. Still getting my rig setup and happy with all the cars as my momo is a bit outdated and only runs well on XP. Seat time is maily what i lack, been a while since i done competetive racing...N2003 was the last league racing i done in stock cars so this is a lil bit of a change of pace and a learning curve on the setups and different car behaviours. Hopefully i didn't mess anyone up troo much out there.

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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2007, 11:45:17 PM +0100 »

Your brakelight was constantly on, so you might have to check your MOMO pedals.
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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2007, 11:53:07 PM +0100 »

Really enjoyed the format.  For me, single make 20 minute races are the holy grail, and strangely enough I like this viper, it's as stable as a super tanker although it sounds like a bee breaking wind in a can  Grin

Race 1 rocked.  Started last after missing qually again and had great fun being hunted down by PA.  Amazingly I didn't just throw it off the black stuff which is what I usually do if another car is within 200 yards of my rear bumper.  PA had some sort of problem, which freed me up to chase MJ which was a bit of a surprise as he's out of my league so far and kindly enough at this race he drove into the gravel at the last corner to give me 9th I think  Kiss.

Race 2 was fun but not so good.  I think I punted Ossie off at the last turn on lap 1  Embarrassed, which was totally my fault as I missed the brake point whilst looking at another viper along side me, sorry fella.  After letting him back on in front we ran together until I hit a spinner which took the front of my car off.  That gave me uber understeer which caused me to be slow in front of RM who then taped me into a spin.  I was actually looking for a place to let him past when he taped me which was a shame.  After waiting and letting me rejoin in front I flashed him past as the only reasonable thing to do given that I'd be a few seconds slower than normal. 

All in all great fun and long may this sort of thing continue  Cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2007, 02:31:18 AM +0100 »

I really dislike the Viper, and Monza isn't a preffered track.

I think I sealed the final nail when I spent to much time with the M3 for Sunday/Tuesday's race. Trying to make the adjustment from an M3 to a Viper in an hour and a Half is a bit tricky. I was doing consistant 1:54:300s when I was offline practicing in the Viper a week ago, but I lost all that speed come Tuesday. I hate Monza in general, and the stricter (but much needed) cutting rules made it tough to manage the understeer of an American car without cutting corners. I didn't manage that well and Ended up going for a Stop/Go on lap 9. Came back out on my last lap and caused someone to roll at Ascari. Not to sure who it was, but I beleive they were likely done the race, as I was 1 Lap back, and they were doing about 40km on the racing line - if you still were racing, I apologize, I came blazing out of Ascari to fast to stop in time.

I enjoy this series alot, as Single make races always make for some tight racing, however I wasn't fond of this Car/Track combo. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE M COUPES THO! (Even tho it will be a boring looking grid)
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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2007, 03:59:32 AM +0100 »

Your brakelight was constantly on, so you might have to check your MOMO pedals.


 Done some testing and have added some dead zone to my brakes and and steering to free up the wheel and hopefully that will cure my dragging a boat anchor behind me as i go lol

 Thanks for the heads up.

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2007, 11:12:41 AM +0100 »

Do we know which car will be driven at which track in the future races?  Smiley

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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2007, 11:21:58 AM +0100 »

Here you go TT

17/9 Monza-Viper (best to have S6 track in first week cause we've already prolly had enough of said track going into 2nd week?)
24/9 Barca National-Elise
1/10 Adria-811
8/10 Donni National-BMW
15/10 Spa-Exige GT (from here http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=2027 ?) Been looking for other mods from there but can't see much that would be suitable.

These are confirmed and we don't want to go much further without a mid-season review. The championship page does give track details and we'll see if we can add car details there as well. Anybody found any other mods by the way? The Exige one is a blast  Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2007, 11:42:17 AM +0100 »

Some mods:

Panoz GTR1 Mod Version 3.0:
Haven't tried it and doubt about the legality

Porsche Carrera Cup 2006 V2 with physics update:
Also haven't tested it, but heard good things about it. It was good for rFactor and might prove okay for GTR2. Just a shame it's another Porsche Grin

Mazda MX-5 Cup:
Dunno about this one, not tried and and not sure about the mod itself in general.

AUDI RS4 MOD:
Heard great things about this one, worth tryin I think.

Mod Prototypes 2000-2004 SCC:
Something different from usual GTR2 cars which might be fun for a change.

MMM V8 Supercars 2006:
This mod is great, great sounds and nice physics. Small drifts and bumper to bumper racing on one of the Aussie tracks.


I know many are not fit for GT3, but so isn't the Exige as well. Maybe go from GT3 cup to just cup races?
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