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September 16, 2007, 09:02:55 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 2000-present) - UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Lister Storm (#860001) GT1 1 1:41.483
127.467mph
1 1:20:51.965
119.974mph
45 1:42.446
126.269mph
Michelin -25.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper GTS-R (#850001) GT1 2 +0.591
126.729mph
2 +29.832
119.241mph
45 1:43.226
125.315mph
Pirelli -25.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#820008) GT1 6 +1.052
126.159mph
3 +1:04.873
118.391mph
45 1:43.607
124.854mph
Michelin -8.0kg
Paul Richards
 Kerb Crawlers
Saleen S7-R (#970013) GT1 5 +0.949
126.286mph
4 +1:13.934
118.173mph
45 1:43.715
124.724mph
Pirelli +15.0kg
Joss
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 28 5 +1:17.418
118.090mph
45 1:43.259
125.275mph
Michelin +12.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Maserati MC12 (#800052) GT1 10 +2.195
124.769mph
6 +1L
117.003mph
44 1:44.433
123.867mph
Pirelli -40.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 8 +1.840
125.197mph
7 +16.197
116.615mph
44 1:44.731
123.514mph
Michelin -8.0kg
CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Lister Storm (#4014) GT1 3 +0.689
126.608mph
8 +20.259
116.518mph
44 1:43.087
125.484mph
Michelin +10.0kg
EdamSpeed
 Kerb Crawlers
Saleen S7-R (#970013) GT1 11 +2.817
124.024mph
9 +2L
114.049mph
43 1:44.908
123.306mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#490052) GT1 9 +1.932
125.086mph
10 +3L 42 1:43.959
124.431mph
fuel
Pirelli +5.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Morgan Aero 8 (#960013) GTC 18 +9.995
116.039mph
11 +4L
108.806mph
41 1:53.417
114.055mph
Michelin +30.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 14 +9.251
116.818mph
12 +9.852
108.586mph
41 1:52.051
115.445mph
Michelin +20.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Nissan 350Z (#990001) GTC 25 +11.555
114.437mph
13 +23.951
108.274mph
41 1:53.534
113.937mph
Michelin -12.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Nissan 350Z (#4085) GTC 23 +11.189
114.809mph
14 +32.711
108.081mph
41 1:53.590
113.881mph
Michelin -22.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 (#900001) GTC 24 +11.405
114.589mph
15 +35.522
108.019mph
41 1:53.198
114.275mph
Michelin +5.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4059) GTC 21 +10.313
115.709mph
16 +1:23.064
106.983mph
41 1:52.724
114.756mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Mosler MT900R (#520029) GTC 22 +10.394
115.625mph
17 +5L
106.592mph
40 1:52.646
114.835mph
Dunlop -5.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena (#890052) GTC 27 +11.911
114.078mph
18 +1:21.305
104.836mph
40 1:53.583
113.888mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
John
 Team Pseudo Racing
Morgan Aero 8 (#3107) GTC 20 +10.282
115.741mph
19 +7L 38 1:51.575
115.938mph
DQ
Michelin -15.0kg
pribeiro
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 Modena (#4064) GTC 16 +9.759
116.285mph
20 +9L 36 1:52.406
115.081mph
engine
Pirelli +5.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Mosler MT900R (#520029) GTC 15 +9.459
116.599mph
21 +18L 27 1:52.430
115.056mph
engine
Dunlop -5.0kg
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 26 +11.838
114.151mph
22 +19L 26 1:54.576
112.901mph
unknown
Michelin +10.0kg
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Lister Storm (#860003) GT1 4 +0.884
126.366mph
23 +23L 22 1:43.138
125.422mph
engine
Michelin +0.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Morgan Aero 8 (#860008) GTC 17 +9.901
116.137mph
24 +27L 18 1:53.334
114.138mph
suspension
Michelin -15.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Maserati MC12 (#870013) GT1 7 +1.636
125.445mph
25 +31L 14 1:43.770
124.658mph
unknown
Pirelli -40.0kg
Pedro Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 575 GTC (#4011) GT1 12 +3.734
122.944mph
26 +32L 13 1:50.875
116.670mph
suspension
Pirelli +10.0kg
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Morgan Aero 8 (#860008) GTC 19 +10.129
115.899mph
27 13 1:52.495
114.990mph
suspension
Michelin -15.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#490052) GT1 13 +4.120
122.494mph
28 +38L 7 1:47.120
120.759mph
accident
Pirelli +5.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1804s

Mo's MC12 is catching Backo's 550 as they head out of Ascari and towards the Parabolica. Backo moves to the right to defend the corner, but then moves left again as they reach the braking zone. Everything looks normal under braking until right at the end of the braking zone, where Mo locks a wheel as he starts to turn in and runs into the back of Backo, spinning both cars. EdamSpeed runs into Backo, unable to avoid him, Darren also getting caught up.

Mo retires immediately; Backo pits for repairs.

Mo's braking point appears to be very slightly later than the lap before, but this is not a classic rear ender. Instead, it appears that having been unsighted going into the corner, he brakes to the point of lockup, and then releases the brakes to try and free the locked wheel and make the corner just at the moment when he's right behind Backo, who is still braking, and probably slightly slower than normal because of the relatively late move back to the left.

Normally this would be a two place penalty, but in light of Backo's fairly late move back over to the left, the fact that the contact occurred at the point where a driver would normally be transitioning from braking to balanced throttle, we're issuing cautions to both drivers.

  • BACKOcaution — don't move across in front of another car in a braking zone
  • mocaution — rear ending Backo

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« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2007, 12:19:02 PM +0100 »

Can't say I was expecting a lot in the Morgan at Monza. I was well off my times in the RS in practice, and the fact that most people are pretty competitive there meant that I needed others to make a few mistakes. I opted for a better handling/slow speed high downforce setup to avoid my usual Monza raggedness, and got the best I could hope for in qual, putting me several cars back in the GTC field.

Off the line Adam seemed to miss a gear or something, as I was soon level and on the inside line into T1. We squeezed through without contact and I was left with the place on the exit. It didn't last long though, as Adam came past effortlessly soon after on the straight. I started with a full fuel tank, and this plus the extra 25 kg had a big effect early on. John passed me in his Morgan not long after, and I was left pondering how things might play out on the strategy front - pondering all the way into the braking zone at Parabolica, where I went to brake and realised I'd got the wrong braking board  eek I skittered across the gravel, kissed the barrier and watched as everyone went by - bugger!

After extracting myself from the gravel trap I set off after teamie Rob, who was keeping up a good pace in the RS. I got past after he made a mistake at Ascari, and then chased after Pseudo. After a short time trying to hassle him in his faster ferrari, he lost control at the 2nd chicane and I had another place. Then I came up behind Dave and Mark Jonzo in a close battle, and managed to take advantage out of T1 and get alongside Dave on the exit. Side by side round curve grande was interesting, but it left me with an outbraking chance into the 2nd chicane which Dave didn't dispute too hard although I left room in case he did. Mark then made a mistake soon after and I was up to 16th. I was then chasing Pops in a pretty brisk Nissan, and I spent the next 17 laps trying to close the few seconds gap. During this time most people ahead pitted, so we rose up the list together until we were 11th and 12th. As time went on his tyres were clearly going off and he got more ragged (although I was too to be honest), and I closed right up, but couldn't find a way past. I aimed to pit very, very late as it was touch and go whether I could make it without refuelling and I wanted to see how things panned out. I realised as time went on that I could probably avoid changing tyres too, and I assumed Pops wouldn't either. As it happens he did change but also messed up the fueling, so when I pitted several laps later I was left in clear air about 20 seconds ahead of SBG and 7 behind Pribeiro. He then gifted me the lead by blowing his engine, and I could turn the wick down and cruise to the end. Phew!

Thanks to all the lappers - no problems at all  thumbup1 Well done to Ruskus and Simon (really good pace in the Viper), and to Ian for a great drive - you deserved the win I think.
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« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2007, 12:43:41 PM +0100 »

Quite a consistent race again for me, until I thought I`d squeeze 1 more lap in before I pitted - ooohhh big mistake, spun it and punctured my left front.  Ended up in the gravel and couldnt get out, car just wanted to do left hand circles!!

Started a bit carelessly, letting Pseudo through a huge gap I left at T1! and that was that. Had 1 or 2 little offs, but nothing major till lap 27! So I concentrated on watching the Kerbies bring home the Italian bacon!! Congrats to Paul, SBG, and Dave for podium.

One question I`d like to ask - why do drivers who dont finish the race get points? John (nothing personal) got DQ`d, yet still scored.

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« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2007, 01:02:43 PM +0100 »

One question I`d like to ask - why do drivers who dont finish the race get points? John (nothing personal) got DQ`d, yet still scored.

Mostly a DQ is given out by the game - often a driver will quit if taking a stop and go will put them to the back with no chance to return, so we don't add insult to injury by exluding them from the points - particularly if they got further into the race than another driver.

If a driver has done something Really Bad(TM) to earn the DQ then the moderator may choose to exclude them, but I don't think that's ever happened.
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« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2007, 01:32:10 PM +0100 »

regarding the corner that gave me a stop and go, i'm not really sure that there should be a cut warning applied to that inside grass crete. The very fact there is grass-crete there means its meant to be used, as that Variante complex is a very tricky set of curves with the kerbs often un-settling the car mid-curve when your trying to line up the 2nd part.
The penalty for cutting it too strongly would be having your left front sucked into the gravel so that should be ample penalty for anyone bending the rule deliberately.
I always find the porker a real handful through that series of turns everytime we race there and could do without the fear of a draconian penalty for getting it wrong just once in a 80 minute race. Sad
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« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2007, 01:54:25 PM +0100 »

Dont want to dance on paul968s parade,but if it wasnt for the 3 stop and goes and my own pitstop.
That race would have been mine. Wink
At the start of quali i knew ihad a good setup,but i also knew i had a bad race setup.    
So i went out and done one quick quali lap.and spent the rest of quali on my race setup.
A couple of minutes from the end of quali i realised my race setup was poo.
So i went back to my quali setup and opened the rad to 4 and put on meds.
Had a quick go in the warm up,but was still lacking grip.
A minute before the race i decided to take a chance and change my strategy.
I put softs on both front and rear,and put in 20 laps of fuel.
2nd stint was going to be 26 laps of fuel and change to meds.
I was bricking it at the start of the race as i only managed 13 laps on softs when testing with Darren.
I shot off like a bullet,only to be held up by cars in front.Plus a few errors I'd made in the 1st few laps.
Then i got my rhythm,but by this time,Darren had caught me and we had a few position changes between us.
Until we came to the last turn,Couldn't see anything,just plumes of smoke.
Darren took the inside line and i took the middle.
Next thing i saw was i think Edamspeed sitting in the middle,i swerved to the left but Darren had no where to go and careered straight into him.
Bad luck mate,we were having a good dogfight.
Although i was taking it easy on my tyres Wink
I took my 1st stop and go 2 laps before my pitstop.
That killed it for me,i thought,but no,i came out and was flying through the field.
I then managed to get 2 stop and goes on the same lap Roll Eyes
So had to come in one lap after another.
On the 3rd stop and go i didn't slow down enough as i entered the pit.
Got another stop and go,but then DQ as i exited the pits.
I must of spent nearly two and a half minutes in the pits,maybe more.
I was gutted.
Congrates to winners
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« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2007, 06:24:29 PM +0100 »

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That race would have been mine.

No problem John. I said in my report:

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and you all duly obliged!  Grin
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« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2007, 09:53:50 PM +0100 »

Had terrible trouble trying to join this server and finally got in in Q2, only to do 2 race setup laps before my old PC crashed *again*.
Thought that was it, only to get in with about 20 seconds of Q2 left...so I'm starting at the back then Grin

I was very careful to only overtake on acceleration so as not to interfere with the GTC lads too much. It must have been odd to see a Lambo come past on lap 1+2! Quite tough to do though as unless you utilise the better exit speed, the Lambo struggles to overhaul GTC's on the straights. By the time that was done, I was about 7 or 8 seconds behind the last GT1 so set about after that.

Only real battle was with Jure, after that it was just constant hot-lapping to try to get back into it. Was surprised to be up to 4th by my pit-stop but expected to lose 3 or 4 places during it, only to come out in front of Reign Man in 5th! I was about 31 seconds behind 4th at that point so thought that would be it, then the gap dropped to 18 seconds (after PR pitted) and I had a crack at chasing him down. With one lap to go the gap was about 2 seconds....only for me to realise I had all of 3.5 litres or fuel left  :'(
So I had to short-shift the lap, and give up on a very unlikely 4th place. I wouldn't have got it without a mistake from PR though, gd driving under pressure  Cool

Then I ran out of fuel going across the grid, crossing the line with nothing left. 2 more litres wouldda done it! Gd race though Smiley
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« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2007, 10:51:30 PM +0100 »

Overall a pretty poor race here, started pretty well and had a close battle with Shark and Zac, got a shot at the Viper but just barely locked the rear and spun in the chicane, got back in the action again pretty quick tho and swapped places with Zac a few times as we took turn making small mistakes or get caught by backmarkers. But by then I started getting FPS crap again  Huh First time it started up to the Ascari complex, allmost lost it there and was lucky not to take out Zacari I think.
The poor FPS at Ascari scenario repeated itself for a few laps, strangely after a few laps it dissappeared again, but by then I had had to make an unscheduled stop alrdy after 15laps with some various splitter/suspension/tire damage after getting a bit frustrated about the FPS that was slowly starting to ruin my race and spun it out of Lesmo, got slowly and safely back to pits so only cost a minute so I figured I could still be in the hunt for a top 5 if I could stretch the fuel, figured it was just enuff with a full tank to make it to the end. But then unfortunately with the poor fps I had cut a few times and on the outlap I got a 3rd and final cut warning again after focusing too much on a GTC car as I lined up to pass it out of Ascari, bloody hell in to the pits again and came out in languishing in 18th almost 2laps down on leaders.
Last 30 laps was pretty lonely then, after getting past the GTCs ahead and ppl started pitting I was running 9th but gap to 8th was coming down by 2s a lap so that was a small motivation to keep goin at a reasonable pace. Car was actually good and no probs running that long on the same tires here. Ended just a few secs behind P7. I think next time I need to get abit into the rhytm of driving a RHD car prior to the race, kept putting the wrong side where it shouldn't be  Shocked
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« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2007, 01:19:45 PM +0100 »

Monza - the venue of last seasons' nightmare went fairly better this year. Grin This season brought a new concept to it - some actual practice.

Anyway, first things first.

Being a reserve I was sitting in the lobby waiting for practice 1 to end (26/28). Then, suddenly, 28/28 while lobby still showed Practice 1 (teamspeak2, a? Tongue Wink ). Arghhh. Then, during practice 2, it showed 27/28 players, tried to join for like... 3 minutes but to no avail, didn't work (?). Finally got in while having a bad feeling I took a spot from FT driver. Did I?  Embarrassed

Anyway, was running 1-3 wing on full load of fuel during practice sessions, times were fairly good (high 44s/low 45s) but with a HUGE fuel consumption, 4.15L per lap which basically meant 100L + 90L stints. A nightmare. Anyway, didn't do well in quali, way of PB, but still, wasn't that bad, was pretty sure I'd have a good race pace (judging by free practice session times from people in my grid-neighbourhood). Race started fine, although I have no idea why I did not attack Mo in T1 though, room was there I simply didn't take it, that Saleen is very poor on the brakes.

Settled in, waiting for tyres to heat up (med-med), then went off track in Parabolica due to Reign Man (I think) messing it up (will he bounce back into me or won't he?  Grin) Overreacted, went to the left to avoid him and ran out of tarmac. Off to the gravel trap and into the barrier. Ignoring a slight nudge in armco I did my best to get out (didn't want to get back on track on ideal line through Parabolica so I eventually drove off at exit from old, concrete inclined Parabolica, ha!) but lost some 17-18 seconds, argh.

Drove behind Backo for few laps while we both tried to hunt down Mo. Turned out Backo was 1 lap down, lol, with a slightly slower pace than I. Pushed as hell only to (eventually) realise although running in P11 there was a car behind me doing amazing times (was in 44s-45s at the time, so I went.... Que? How can that be, there were no GT1 cars messing it up this early, I'd see them off track... Shocked ). Of course it was FreQ hunting me down like a banshee out of hell (with a car sound to match!). He caught up fast so I went "OK, I'm gonna be as wide as possible for a lap or so just to prove a point, then he'd better pass, no way I can hold him back for much longer than that". But he jinxed me, giggle, could not get it right through, you've guessed it, Parabolica with him on my gearbox (Parabolica being one of the strongest points of my setup. Ouch.). So he passed on main straight only to lose his position at Variante Ascari (worth a look 1580+ on the replay, god knows how a morgan driver felt while he was being passed by a Z350 on the right and lambo on the left down the back straight. Pure gold for you video buffs out there Wink ), same process repeat itself soon after. And then again after the pits. Nice racing FreQ, thoroughly enjoyed it. Smiley It's interesting how very different setup we drove, completely different wing AND gear ratios, very cool.

Then, as you all know, the sunday carnage at Parabolica happened.(it looked something like this http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=18303185 ). Fortunatelly I was not stubborn enough to go in at full pace when I saw clouds of smoke approaching the corner. Round the corner we go and dear lord, what is this, bowling alley? Shocked But I missed them all, pheeew. Roll Eyes Gained, erm, 4 positions (I think), running 7th.

Pitted... not very late tbh, ran out of fuel fast, lambo's thirsty (I suspect it had lots to do with my gear ratios, high rpm in 5th gear @ Curva Grande for.... forever!!!). Actually gained some time on Reign Man (I'd say some 10 seconds) although pit time was 62 seconds. Anyway, went in 7th, came out 7th. Chase was on again. But guess what, Backo, still a lap down, right in front of me. Again. OK, at least he'll plough through backmarkers for me, cool. But it soon became apparent to both of us I'm slightly faster and he let me by. Thx mate.

Nudged Dan Minton at 1st chicane (he came out of pits on cold tyres, I passed someone right behind him, Dan "stalled" on the exit and I spun him around oh so slightly. Corrected the situation in a split second decision and nudged him again to point him into right direction because I knew there's a train of cars right behind us. Pheeew, disaster avoided  Grin )

Had few semi-spins in second chicane (three, I think) not getting a single warning though (I suspect it was due to NOT being on throttle  when returning to track). Lucky lucky.

Then the FreQ nightmare started to repeat itself, as mentioned earlier. He got by, of course. Was chasing Reign Man again only to realise there MUST be another alien behind me cause he was eating that time difference like crazy. But I did know there's not much more to go so I went "OK, let him blast around the track, I'm slowing down and he still won't catch me, only thing I HAVE to avoid is a mistake".

Which I didn't, of course, had 3-4 costly mistakes (must avoid rhythm changes next time) and had something like 4 seconds on him at the finish line. Him being CeeJay, of course.

All in all a fun race, endurance rules supreme.
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« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2007, 01:45:19 PM +0100 »

Sorry Jure! I didnt realise I was the cause of your off. i'll check the replay and submit a report
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« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2007, 02:13:01 PM +0100 »

lol. what for? you messed up, I over reacted - far from being your fault mate Wink  Embarrassed
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