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  • U6UE Adria: September 30, 2007
September 30, 2007, 09:03:38 PM +0100 - Adria - UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Lister Storm (#860003) GT1 3 +0.124
85.548mph
1 1:20:39.254
81.751mph
66 1:10.811
84.650mph
Michelin -35.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Lister Storm (#860001) GT1 4 +0.343
85.281mph
2 +30.312
81.242mph
66 1:10.935
84.502mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Joss
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 2 +0.095
85.583mph
3 +34.651
81.170mph
66 1:10.888
84.558mph
Michelin -8.0kg
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#490052) GT1 7 +0.787
84.746mph
4 +1:01.507
80.725mph
66 1:11.013
84.409mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper GTS-R (#850001) GT1 11 +2.162
83.130mph
5 +1L
80.484mph
65 1:11.864
83.410mph
Pirelli +0.0kg
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980003) GT1 22 +11.994
73.155mph
6 +2.907
80.436mph
65 1:11.065
84.347mph
Michelin -8.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#820008) GT1 8 +0.805
84.724mph
7 +23.474
80.096mph
65 1:11.783
83.504mph
Michelin +2.0kg
Paul Richards
 Kerb Crawlers
Saleen S7-R (#970013) GT1 6 +0.699
84.851mph
8 +36.560
79.881mph
65 1:11.674
83.631mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 9 +1.163
84.298mph
9 +2L
78.758mph
64 1:11.482
83.855mph
Michelin -8.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Mosler MT900R (#520029) GTC 14 +5.410
79.547mph
10 +4L
75.648mph
62 1:15.655
79.230mph
Dunlop -5.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Morgan Aero 8 (#960013) GTC 15 +5.536
79.414mph
11 +5L
75.530mph
61 1:16.152
78.713mph
Michelin +55.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 16 +5.594
79.353mph
12 +28.500
75.088mph
61 1:16.489
78.366mph
Michelin +35.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Nissan 350Z (#4085) GTC 20 +7.288
77.612mph
13 +56.123
74.664mph
61 1:17.028
77.818mph
Michelin -27.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Nissan 350Z (#990001) GTC 19 +7.264
77.636mph
14 +56.888
74.652mph
61 1:17.447
77.397mph
Michelin -7.0kg
pribeiro
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 Modena (#4064) GTC 17 +6.773
78.133mph
15 +57.010
74.651mph
61 1:17.904
76.943mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
R. Midderhoff
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#3036) GT1 12 +3.248
81.896mph
16 61 1:12.111
83.124mph
fuel
Michelin +12.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4059) GTC 18 +7.206
77.695mph
17 +6L
73.789mph
60 1:17.026
77.820mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740052) GT1 5 +0.612
84.956mph
18 +10L 56 1:11.616
83.698mph
engine
Michelin -8.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena (#890052) GTC 21 +7.650
77.250mph
19 +11L 55 1:17.661
77.184mph
unknown
Pirelli +5.0kg
CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Lister Storm (#4014) GT1 1 1:09.944
85.699mph
20 +12L 54 1:10.795
84.669mph
unknown
Michelin -25.0kg
Pedro Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R (#3106) GT1 13 +4.132
80.919mph
21 +51L 15 1:14.502
80.456mph
unknown
Dunlop -35.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Maserati MC12 (#870013) GT1 10 +1.604
83.778mph
22 +53L 13 1:12.146
83.084mph
unknown
Pirelli -40.0kg

Moderator's Report

A number of drivers were using all four wheels on the green tarmac at turn 3. This is technically in breach of the rules but as the game failed to penalise it, and it happened a fair bit at the other Adria events without any attention being drawn to it, we will not be taking any action.


Pedro Silva (who had his lights on unnecessarily, which can cause FPS problems) had very little control over his car on the brakes, running into Madd-RIP, and also hitting Paul968 on the main straight.

This is classic overdriving and is not acceptable. There's no problem if you're slow (within sensible limits, of course), but you absolutely must be able to keep your car on the track and maintain some basic awareness of where another car is when passing or being passed by it - doubly so in an endurance event. It's frustrating for you, and enormously annoying for the drivers who get caught up in your offs.


Server replay time: 253s

Jure jumps the start slightly compared to TrueTom and as a result they go into the first turn with Jure alongside and on the outside. TrueTom, having to take the inside line can't get on the throttle as early or as hard as TT and bumps him into a spin.

Jure waits for TT to rejoin which, whilst sporting, causes more problems than it solves because it dumps him right in the middle of a busy GTC pack. As a result I have assessed a 1 place penalty, reduced from the 3 which would normally be given on the first lap.


Server replay time: 468s

Brian Kerr tags Pedro Silva into an off.

  • Kerr (Brian Kerr)penalty — contact with Pedro Silva — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 938s

Pops runs wide and struggles to control the car on the grass just as JR is trying to lap him. Pops comes back onto the track and into the side of JR.

This isn't a case of having gone off an rejoining dangerously, JR sees Pops go off ahead but doesn't slow or move further left in avoidance, and Pops simply loses control, which leads to contact. I'm therefore chalking this up as a racing incident.

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SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
GT1
1:09.944
85.699mph
CeeJay
Qualifying
Lister Storm
-25.0kg
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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2007, 10:41:46 PM +0100 »

It's not a race circuit, it's like driving around Asda car park
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2007, 10:43:48 PM +0100 »

Yet again 3rd time in a row come qualifying session of upper endurance my connection goes mental. I was sitting 4th at the time and on a quicker lap by a few tenths. A few minutes to go and again I lost connection. This is more than a coincidence, but what is wrong baffles me.

You weren't the only one. I saw about 4 or 5 discos at the same time when you got disco'd Brian. Something went funny that caused it and we will never know what I'm afraid. Undecided
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2007, 10:49:10 PM +0100 »

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I think you've missed the point - there's meant to be constant traffic. I love these shorter circuits, a real test of nerve, situational awareness and multiclass experience.

Yeah...its ok in that sense, but I feel this particular track is too short and pretty technical for us 'lesser mortals' (ok ME Cheesy) I have enough trouble concentrating on getting round the place with the short hops between turns...when you throw faster cars in too, braking zones are missed, you generally end up taking the turns too wide, and most of the time is spent looking behind to see who's coming up next...Basically it doesn't leave enough time to be able to make the right decisions and (in my case) end up off the track or holding someone up....I don't find that fun personally, just hard work, I would much rather be able to concentrate more on my own drive than constantly be having to do things 'differently' to accomodate others.

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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2007, 10:52:13 PM +0100 »

Yet again 3rd time in a row come qualifying session of upper endurance my connection goes mental. I was sitting 4th at the time and on a quicker lap by a few tenths. A few minutes to go and again I lost connection. This is more than a coincidence, but what is wrong baffles me.

You weren't the only one. I saw about 4 or 5 discos at the same time when you got disco'd Brian. Something went funny that caused it and we will never know what I'm afraid. Undecided

It's just odd Simon as it happens in upper endurance qualification session only. Before that everything is fine, then tonight I got back in before race and everything was fine afterwards.

My whole season in upper endurance has been ruined and missed the first two races due to very late disconnections and tonight I started last instead of a potential probably 3rd
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2007, 10:52:58 PM +0100 »

Replay along with provisional results above and standings
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2007, 11:02:36 PM +0100 »

 sweatdrop I'm knackered! Managed a pb in quali but was surprised to see Paul behind me , especially after scaring the S*** out of me with his projected time of a low 14. I've been trying for the whole weekend to find a setup I can work with and finally made one at literally the eleventh hour!  blink

It looked like it was going to be a right doozy with Paul and SBG, until a certain 'vette driver proceeded to nearly take us all out on repeated occasions, unbelievable tbh and pretty much spoilt a good scrap, I managed to get a small gap to Paul and slowly increased it, by the time we were being lapped it seemed as if he was getting lapped in all the wrong places as the gap slowly increased. thumbup2

After he made his stop I just tried to keep going steadily until I needed to pit, unfortunately when I came out of the pits there he was....bugger  eek it got a bit messy at T1  but I pushed as hard as I could to stay with him until my tyres warmed up, eventually getting a better drive out of the last corner and getting a tow down the straight to pass him at T1, and from there on I could keep the gap at about 1.5 to 2.5 seconds until the end to Win!!  clap (that extra weight REALLY hurts!!)

A bit of a mixed feeling with this track, I tried letting the GT1's past either on the straights or taking a wider line into T1, the hairpin or the corner before the pits, this seemed to lose me least time and tbh anywhere else is too risky, so I'm sorry to anyone who was behind me but I'm not risking ruining my race when there's a straight after the corner  nono


Grats to the GT1 podium btw.

PS at least the Cups will be more sedate!
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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2007, 11:08:52 PM +0100 »

Was surprised to take 4th place in qually, only a few tenths behind pole, considerring I had +35kg and the guys infront either nothing or negative value.

The beginning of the race was very steady for me. Was following FreQ closely and could see CJ and Zacari in the distance infront. I couldn't attack FreQ so I had to settle to keep close. Which I managed untill the pitstops. He kept asking if he should let me past, but I kept denying Cheesy.
With 45 minutes to go I went in, as my front softs were wearing faster than expected Shocked. I changed to mediums allround and they felt much, MUCH better. Came out 1 lap behind CJ and Zacari. At that point I was quicker than them, as they didn't pit yet.
Zacari went in and I was behind CJ, still lap down. He let me unlap myself, which was very fair, and I slowly drove away. Unfortunatly CJ then had a disco while being in first place :'(.
During the race both Paul R. and Jure let me past for position. Very generous, but not necessary as we were in a fight for a place Smiley.

My engine health was very low, around 69% with 15 minutes to go, so I had to shortshift and lift off hard, which was very tyring.

I quite liked this track. Awefull for hotlapping, but an actionpacked race. And the GTC boys were very good and aware. Must be very hard to keep being aware of what's going on around, while fighting for yourself.

Grats Carl for the win.

I am very worried about Spa, driving with 60kg, while CJ will have -20kg Shocked. He'll lap the whole field Grin
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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2007, 11:12:58 PM +0100 »

Strangely enough my engine health started at 94% and only went down to 92%, this surpised me 'cos of how it went boom in Monza.
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2007, 11:20:11 PM +0100 »



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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2007, 12:01:51 AM +0100 »

Any tips for keeping the engine healthy??  All my temps were ok, wasnt over revving i dont think. I did have a knock on the front when i went up the back of someone but wasnt hard, could this of done something?
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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2007, 12:31:12 AM +0100 »

Any tips for keeping the engine healthy??  All my temps were ok, wasnt over revving i dont think. I did have a knock on the front when i went up the back of someone but wasnt hard, could this of done something?

- Use autoclutch (lame Grin)
- lift off when upshifting
- easy on the blipping
- don't enginebrake too much
- never let the car redline on the straights
- keep engine temp around 90C
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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2007, 01:15:46 AM +0100 »

What hard work that was Shocked 66 laps sweatdrop

Qualifying was worse than I'd hoped, really thought I'd get pole but couldn't get below 1:10 however hard I tried.  Having said that, the sun really didn't help!  CJ was the only one sub- 1:10 and Joss was 2nd, myself in 3rd only a tenth behind CJ!

The race was really good.  Sat behind Joss for the first few laps with no chance to get passed, in the end we caught some backmarkers in a really awkward place and I got passed down the s/f straight.  After that I went in persuit of CJ, though I just wasn't quite fast enough!  Getting along-side once was as close as I got, though we touched down the s/f straight at one point too when passing traffic.  For about 40 laps we were no more than a second or two apart Shocked Cool

In the end I pitted with 25 mins left, I only lost about 40 seconds but it was still far too long for what I needed.  CJ then disco'd so our battle didn't get to end the way it should've Sad after that I ended up cruising round to the finish looking after my tyres and trying not to make any silly mistakes Grin

Grats to Jeff and Joss and all the other finishers, and CJ for a really good battle Smiley and I'm not sure how Simon managed to get the Viper home 5th Shocked

A big thanks to the GTC guys too, no real issues at all which is amazing considering the track.  Apologies to Paul968 though, I got a big fish-tail slide under power out of the hairpin, trying to keep out of the way and I managed to clip your front end Sad sorry 'bout that.

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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2007, 01:47:37 AM +0100 »

Got so annoyed by my performance in this race I still can't go to sleep.  Grin

Qualied poorly in 9th (race setup minus fuel, med-med, hence no wonder, still have no idea why I didn't load Q setup I built this afternoon...).

Spun TT out in T1 of the first racing lap. No comment.  Embarrassed  Undecided

Fought with Brian at the back (while we were both recovering places) but he eventually got by. Had same dilemma as he did, "Am I racing this guys or what? Passing on braking or throttle...hmmm hmmm"  Huh Roll Eyes Grin

After few laps of "so... what's up with that front tyre temps?" I realised there's a huge front grip problem (balance problem to be precise) which effectively led to cutting (at same sector) like... every few laps (and fighting it had even worse results, lifting off got me in a position where car wanted to spin so I simply did it on purpose every time front end stepped out, too late to correct the bloody thing. Oh well, at least I knew I wasn't gaining time, laps done properly were much faster  Grin angel).

Anyway,  seeing I've climbed to P3 prior to pit stop and realising I've lost too much time at the beginning of the race I've decided NOT to change tyres during my pitstop (started with 100L with predicted 46 laps and yeah Rusky, I know we were racing for position but it seemed stupid to position myself right in between yourself and other two aliens that just got by, felt better to let you by too and have fun with them plus I didn't want you driving behind me, was just prior to pitting. Wink )  there wasn't any other way to gain back some 25 seconds lost in early stages (and later on, had one... semi-spin and a full one Cheesy ).

So in the pits we go, lost some 7-8 seconds keyboarding like crazy to not change tyres and not repair the damage, sat there for some 28-29 seconds then went out.

And voila, plan worked, came out 8th (running 11t prior to "pit stops window") but gamble didn't help much, tyres were... let's say two thirds worn already, tried to hold back Gazza and TT for a while (great battle, a bit of touching here and there, but lots of fun), then disaster struck (remember the cutting thing from above? Well... this is what happens if one gets stubborn and sticks to the groove no matter what, at the time I was determined no cutting would occur while in close combat, was feeling guilty enough already.).

And so I've visited the armco.  Undecided

Parts flying, FL tyre went kaput.

Crawled back to the pits (with lights on, was hoping it'll warn others I'm in trouble. Giggle. After seeing the replay I've noticed lights were not the thing that caught the eye, sparks flew everywhere while that front splitter tried to... plow or something  Grin).

Pit stop number two, changed tyres, repaired everything (it was clear any good result was down the drain so I figured at least I can see how fast I could go in... normal trim. You know, that rare experience when one drives a car with everything that belongs on a car actually being there).

Disgusted really, ruined TTs race and, for reasons unknown, not checking track temperature before the race start and pressurising tyres accordingly led to actions I despise. Moronic.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2007, 07:25:16 AM +0100 »

Interesting thing.  Smiley  Don't worry, Jure, I managed to make enough mistakes on my own.  Grin It was interesting to start again in the middle of the GTC guys, though.  Cheesy
This is hard work, though when the duels happen they tend to be short and fierce.  Wink  Short in the sense of an actual battle, not sitting behind waiting for mistakes. Had some action with Brian, but he was too fast to hold and this circuit allows the back car to plan ahead two or  three corners and eventualy you can come beside the front car.  Smiley  I was catching Shark before the pitting, was gaining 1 sec/lap but again he got loads of time while pitting.  Huh
Jure pitted at the last moment and got in front of Gazza and me, we had a good scrap until Jure botched it  Roll Eyes  and Gazza seemed to lost his pace even with no traffic between us. Now I see it was the engine.  Undecided  Good going, Gazza, your pace goes up every race.  Cool  In the last minutes I was keeping the same pace as Brian and I was hoping we're gaining on Shark, but the race was too short.  Wink  In the end the "moving chicane" Shark was faster then me, a veteran on this track with one race under my belt.  clown Well done.  Smiley
GTC drivers were ... above everything I saw so far. Even managed to kick Pops along the way but it wasn't enough so he could continue.  Tongue  Sorry Pops, I was in a crowd of GTs trying to brake on time not to hit the front car fighting for position. Also, MJ managed to visit his sand castles while I was going by - hope it wasn't my fault.  Sad
There was both scary and comical moment when close racing in a pack with Gazza and Jure. There was a GTC car (SBG? - sorry don't remember  Embarrassed ) and we fell all over him, left, right, everywhere.  Grin  If I was him I'd be drawing brown lines on my underware. Well he managed good enough but I bet it left him  blink

There are probably other things but I gotta work now.  Tongue

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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2007, 09:53:37 AM +0100 »

Sounds like a good race. I was enjoying the track I have to say, but had to quit when my controller problems came back to haunt me early on  Sad

Grats to the podiums Cool
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