UKGTR Season 6 GT3 Cup - Adria - Oct 1

[Mark J]

Really sorry for that last lap contact Madd    I tried to let you back in front but then you got clouted by another car and span right around 
Wasnt the end i wanted to a great 2nd race as had really enjoyed the battles all race.

1st race was rubbish as setup just wasnt toned, had 3 spins and finished 9th.

2nd race was fab, despite getting pounced on at the lights (and i thought i had made a good start on the revs )
enjoyed cracking battles with Zacari, Jeff, TT and Madd 
Alas on the last lap i ran wide and Madd finally squeezed up the inside of me, i chased him hard, stayed wide and turned in tighter but the extra momentum made me catch madds right rear flank as he presumedly closed the line and it span him around. Not deliberate, i dont try to win races that way.. but i'll take the stewards views on it.

[ginsters sponsored]

1st race was a blast after early spin of my own doing. Followed TT for much of the race without ever really looking like passing until his late slip. A pleasure doing business with you, as always.

2nd race looked a "little" untidy. Got rear ended by Ruskus, I think, early on. Apologies for that, as it must have looked like I was going to have a plunge at MJ but chickened out at last second and it caught you out. Regrouped and after some incidents somehow found myself in lead with Zacari chasing me. At first I held him off and luckily for me, he slipped up. Then, guess who caught me . Great fun in last few laps holding off the charging Ruskus.

Hugely impressive performance from old lardy arse . And racing was great with those I met.

That said, too many incidents obviously happened in 2nd race. Not sure if format is too blame or drivers, but would appreciate your views.    

[Jeffrey]

1st Race)

Was very pleased with pole, regarding the weight.
I had a good start and drove off while BACKO and Zacari were battling. Once BACKO was lose he was gaining fast and right behind, untill be made a mistake and I had a gap again. After that I could drive to the finish and win.

2nd Race)

Again had a good start but cars were all over and I lifted off and keep my position. There was bumping everywhere, and it was a matter of staying clear. At the tightest hairpin I got rearended and there were 2 cars right infront when I exited the hairpin. MJ and SBG. MJ was pretty slow out the hairpin and I moved over only to find SBG lifting off and I erarended him....sorry . I spun due to that and had no idea who I hit and who to wait for. But at that time I was almost at the back anyway .
Had to battle hard to get back, overtaking most people while they were off the track.
Last 8 minutes I was behind SBG, who was in 1st place at that time. I was gaining and last 3 laps right on his bumper. But he defended hard and due to my last mistake I felt bad for the guy and didn't want to overtake him  . Nah kidding, he defended well and no way I could overtake him.
Grats on the 2nd win SBG.

[Jeffrey]

Apologies for that, as it must have looked like I was going to have a plunge at MJ but chickened out at last second and it caught you out.

Looks like we experienced it the same way . I moved over as I was faster than MJ and went to the right, right at that time you "chickened out" as you say  and I got taken by surprise and I just hit your leftrear. Good thing I lost more than you

That said, too many incidents obviously happened in 2nd race. Not sure if format is too blame or drivers, but would appreciate your views.     

Things that cause havoc:
- Small track with no straights
- Weightpenalties. In my case I had a very long stoppingdistance, resulting in dangerous situations sometimes. IMO the weightpenalties are wrong for light, small cars. 60kg is alot different for a Elise or GT3 Cup than a Viper CC.
- All the same cars
- Very short race
- Big speeddifferences between drivers. In WTCC (IIRC) only the first 8 are reversed to prevent fast drivers having to pass the slower drivers, giving dangerous situations

[Stewprovo]

Race 1.

Bad start, but did'nt hit anything, not too many mistakes & very little pace, way too much understeer. but on a positive, I finished on lead lap, which is a good achievement for me.

Race 2.

Got ok start, but made 2 costly mistakes on 1st lap. Very sorry to whoever it was I turned round at 1st hairpin. So once at the back again re-grouped and got some consistancy, and finish on lead lap again...YAY

Again very sorry to anyone who I made contact with (I think there were 2) & congrats to all.

Cheers guys.

[psuedo]

That was pretty good stuff seeing how I don't like the track much, or the porka cars.

Enjoyed race 1 with some good little tussles going on and some good close driving...Did a PB time in the race and was reasonably consistant for me ....

Race two was another story. Got away ok but bumped someone a little under braking into t1. It was only a small tap and it didn't seem to effect him so we just carried on. Got to the hairpin at the same time as about 35 other cars  and got my rear tagged and spun out. Chasing from the back again....except for Ruskus who was recovering from his own start. I just moved out of his way though...I would have been eaten alive by the gapping shark jaws anyway.

Started chasing and managed to catch up but just ended up making silly errors and facing the wrong way.

You know, I could just copy and paste my reports from week to week....same old story.

Grats to the winners and podiums in both races....See you all at Donington (yeah..a proper track TT )

[BACKO]

I love this track,but I hate porche cars.I tried to make quick setup which works wery good.
Race 1 : I had good start and I overtook MADD ,then Zacari.I was moving forward to Ruskus ,I caught him ,nice close racing but came bloody mistake (kurb ) and spin ::)I lost my position but I manage in last corner beautiful  overtook Mo I think and finished 4'th
Race 2: Was demolition derby I think.Many accident in front of me ,behind me and from me also.I'm sorry !

[John Kingham]

Qually : Missed it completely as I forgot what time this was starting and only logged on about 2 minutes before race 1 kick off 
I probably would have started from the back anyway given that I'd only done about 10 laps as practice.  BTW I love the 911.  If they drive and sound like that in real life then I want one 

Race 1 : Ran pretty well I thought.  Don't remember any details  other than it was fun all the way.

Race 2 : Apologies to those I wiped out at the first hairpin.  Dunce mistake on cold tyres.  Duly waited on the grass for everyone to get going again, then started hunting Psuedo (I think) down.  Best bit was a couple of laps with Backo.  He was mucho fasto coming from behind but kept running wide at the apex, allowing me to switch back on a tighter line and retake the position.  Look forward to watching that on the replay. 

As for race 2 being a little messy, IMO that's partly what these races are for.  They are sprint/single make/reverse grid races which by their nature will be close and hard fought.  They can be a useful alternative to the more conservative thoughtful enduro races so beloved here.  As long as it doesn't deteriorate into a pick up style affair then a little rubbing is fine by me.

[Zacari]

Not a bad couple of races, first one definately cleaner than the second

Race 1 was pretty boring until I spun, snatching one gear too many.  Ended up 4th, then inherited 3rd when BACKO spun- only for him to catch me and Madd very quickly!  So really it was pass or be passed, and I managed to sneak passed cleanly before BACKO could have a go.  No chance of catching JR despite being miles lighter

Race 2 was great for about 400 yards!  Went from 11th to 5th, CLEANLY, until I got shoved wide in T1 by someone half on the grass going too fast to make the apex   Still all was not lost, was still in a good spot until I got turned in the hairpin.  Then I was back in about 9th.  The madness wasn't over, through various offs I found myself behind SBG who was leading.  I couldn't get passed though, and I made a silly error under braking and spun.  I got it pointing the right way again, got squeezed out by MJ when rejoining- TT passing too, and Madd also passed briefly before I managed to get a run back passed.  Then I spent a few laps trying to get passed the Legends guys, eventually squeezing through   Again, not much chance of closing a 13 second gap to SBG, but I closed to within 3 seconds with 2 laps left, then overcooked it slightly and decided to back off before I threw away 3rd.

Many thanks to those who raced cleanly and grats to Jeff for being even more than normal carrying 60Kg's of ballast

One point though.  I can accept there might be a little more contact than usual in these short races, but using the 'inevitability' of contact as an excuse is utter crap there is NO need for stupid lunges, punts or side-swipes.  The first lap of race 2 could've been any public server to be honest.  I lost count of the battles I was in, made 7 or 8 passes that were hard fought but above all clean.  I'm sure I could've 'passed' SBG with a stupid lunge, or a tap in a hairpin, but what's the point?  If you can't pass cleanly you don't deserve the place, it's that simple.  Standing starts CAN work, but it needs everyone to use their brains to drive, not their... <insert anatomical part here >

Oh, and a huuuuge grats SBG for a fine win in race 2 and holding off that mean ol' senior shark

[psuedo]

One point though.  I can accept there might be a little more contact than usual in these short races, but using the 'inevitability' of contact as an excuse is utter crap  there is NO need for stupid lunges, punts or side-swipes.  The first lap of race 2 could've been any public server to be honest.  I lost count of the battles I was in, made 7 or 8 passes that were hard fought but above all clean.  I'm sure I could've 'passed' SBG with a stupid lunge, or a tap in a hairpin, but what's the point?  If you can't pass cleanly you don't deserve the place, it's that simple.  Standing starts CAN work, but it needs everyone to use their brains to drive, not their... <insert anatomical part here   >

I second that.

[ginsters sponsored]

Ta Jeff

Things that cause havoc:
- Small track with no straights

Good point. The way we all got jammed up at certain points last night is proof enough. Donni should be better and we will bear that in mind for future events.

- Weightpenalties. In my case I had a very long stoppingdistance, resulting in dangerous situations sometimes. IMO the weightpenalties are wrong for light, small cars. 60kg is alot different for a Elise or GT3 Cup than a Viper CC.

Not so sure there. The drivers that get those big ballasts, you for example , should be/are more than capable of dealing with inherent problems. The good, i.e. closer racing, far outweighs the possible dangers there (I might have a different view next week).

- Very short race

That clearly poses problems for the faster guys at the back who, from what I've seen, rather rush to get to front. This can be seen in both second race standing starts where drivers have, fairly, charged through from the back. However this has proved to be dangerous. Maybe a rolling start for R2 would decrease this problem? or shorter R1, from quali, and slightly longer R2? I would also ask for more calm on opening lap from fast boys at back, please have more empathy for those in front.

- Big speeddifferences between drivers. In WTCC (IIRC) only the first 8 are reversed to prevent fast drivers having to pass the slower drivers, giving dangerous situations

Another good point. I thought putting slower guys, outside top 10 say, at the front would add to their fun. How would they feel if we introduced this? Do you enjoy racing with the faster guys? That said, I know that present system may present drivers with dangerous situations but I feel we should be able to cope. Which goes back to Zacari's point about drivers responsibility.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

That clearly poses problems for the faster guys at the back who, from what I've seen, rather rush to get to front. This can be seen in both second race standing starts where drivers have, fairly, charged through from the back. However this has proved to be dangerous. Maybe a rolling start for R2 would decrease this problem? or shorter R1, from quali, and slightly longer R2? I would also ask for more calm on opening lap from fast boys at back, please have more empathy for those in front.

You could have a much shorter rolling start procedure, eg. just the first corner or two in a limiter-snake and then go go go. Obviously a full pace lap in a 20 minute race will reduce the number of laps by quite a lot.

- Big speeddifferences between drivers. In WTCC (IIRC) only the first 8 are reversed to prevent fast drivers having to pass the slower drivers, giving dangerous situations

I like the BTCC "wheel of fortune" where they reverse a random number between something like 5 and 9 at the front, to stop people driving to finish, say, 8th in the first race.

[Simon Gymer]

You can set number of laps instead of time in GTR2 Dedicated Server I think. You could set race length like that instead then you can have a rolling start without losing a large portion of the race (i.e. add 1 to the lap count), perhaps a double file rolling start.

Just a thought.

[psuedo]

- Weightpenalties. In my case I had a very long stoppingdistance, resulting in dangerous situations sometimes. IMO the weightpenalties are wrong for light, small cars. 60kg is alot different for a Elise or GT3 Cup than a Viper CC.

Not so sure there. The drivers that get those big ballasts, you for example , should be/are more than capable of dealing with inherent problems. The good, i.e. closer racing, far outweighs the possible dangers there (I might have a different view next week).

The weight penalties are actually supposed to make it a lot more difficult for the people that 'earn' them, that's their nature. It gives some of the 'lesser mortals' a chance to race with the big guys.
I realise that +60kg is a lot for the lighter porka and elise etc, but it is not so noticable in the viper and the heavier cars. The ballasting system however cannot differentiate between makes so a balance has to be struck somewhere and the system we use is the same one used for all the GTC class championships here.

- Big speeddifferences between drivers. In WTCC (IIRC) only the first 8 are reversed to prevent fast drivers having to pass the slower drivers, giving dangerous situations


I like the BTCC "wheel of fortune" where they reverse a random number between something like 5 and 9 at the front, to stop people driving to finish, say, 8th in the first race.

I also like this idea...One thing IMO that it would do is tend to create 2 seperate races within race two, which would not be such a bad idea pitting people of similar abillities against each other. This could easily be implimented by the grid reversal methods we currently use.
Personally I think we should give it a go and see what 'actually' happens....can we have a show of hands for trying it out at Dinington? Donington even

[Paul968]

I realise that +60kg is a lot for the lighter porka...

Why does everyone keep saying that the GT3 911 is light? The Cup car is the heaviest 911 we use! (excluding turbos).