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  • L3 Snetterton: October 04, 2007
October 04, 2007, 08:53:58 PM +0100 - Snetterton (Long) - UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#200167) GTC-65 2 +0.198
98.941mph
1 41:15.387
96.961mph
25 1:37.606
98.361mph
Dunlop  
baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 3 +0.443
98.692mph
2 +4.062
96.802mph
25 1:37.292
98.679mph
Dunlop  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 7 +2.128
97.011mph
3 +30.320
95.788mph
25 1:39.018
96.959mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 1 1:36.836
99.143mph
4 (+2) +46.633
95.168mph
25 1:37.583
98.384mph
Dunlop  
ossie
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 11 +2.768
96.388mph
5 +55.985
94.817mph
25 1:39.204
96.777mph
Dunlop  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 6 +1.385
97.745mph
6 +56.420
94.800mph
25 1:38.543
97.426mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Shelby GT350 (#807) GTC-65 14 +3.404
95.777mph
7 (+2) +57.848
94.747mph
25 1:39.725
96.271mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#200167) GTC-65 8 +2.299
96.844mph
8 +1:26.537
93.686mph
25 1:39.484
96.504mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 9 +2.309
96.834mph
9 +1L
92.813mph
24 1:39.691
96.304mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Austin-Healey 3000 (#200105) GTC-65 15 +3.829
95.372mph
10 +36.025
91.486mph
24 1:40.412
95.612mph
Dunlop  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Mercedes 300SL (#455) GTC-65 17 +4.595
94.652mph
11 +52.541
90.890mph
24 1:42.045
94.082mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 4 +0.794
98.337mph
12 (+1) +6L 19 1:38.855
97.118mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 
Mercedes 300SL (#456) GTC-65 10 +2.332
96.812mph
13 +15L 10 1:40.336
95.685mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 13 +3.392
95.788mph
14 +16L 9 1:40.910
95.141mph
unknown
Dunlop  
KL Mallender
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 16 +4.130
95.088mph
15 9 1:41.982
94.141mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark Junior
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#200376) GTC-65 12 +2.843
96.316mph
16 +18L 7 1:39.774
96.224mph
unknown
Dunlop  
stnasky
 
Shelby GT350 (#880) GTC-65 17 +20L 5 1:42.128
94.006mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 5 +1.355
97.775mph
18 +22L 3 1:39.536
96.454mph
DQ
Dunlop  

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Server replay time: 70s

Madd-Rip messes up his start, causing alot of mayhem when almost the whole grid has to swerve around him. Two corners later Madd tries to make up some ground but misses his braking point. He notices that he isn't going to make it and steers on the banking, to try and keep damage to a minimum. He drives into the side of Syd, but there isn't alot harm done there. However, Psuedo gets collected more and goes off, losing some places. Psuedo couldn't have done anything to prevent it as Madd came out of nowhere, many carlenghts behind.
Because the start could also been seen as an incident as it caused people to go off as well I give a 2 places lost for this. 1 place for both incidents.

  • Madd-RIPpenalty — Dangerous start and pushing Psuedo off. — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 98s

Pribeiro is off the racing line when he starts braking. Steve was on the racing line, far infront of Pribeiro and probably did not expect him coming. There was nobody close behind of Steve, so he steered in to claim the apex when Pribeiro comes in with too much speed and drifts Steve off the track. It was at the start of the race so Steve lost around 10 places, by what seemed to be a avoidable incident.
Avoidable and with big consequenses, which results in 2 places penalty.


Server replay time: 127s

Aagramn gets a bit sideways coming out of the Esses and Dan Minton, who has a reasonable view of things, fails to account for this and accelerates into the back of him, spinning him out and then getting taken out himself as Aagramn's out of control car spins back across the track.

I'm only giving out a single place penalty as this was poor judgement rather than outright dangerous or inconsiderate driving.

  • Dan Mintonpenalty — avoidable first lap contact — 1 place lost

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 10:09:01 PM +0100 »

Wow that was hard and great.

Already started in qually where I swapped setup with 10 minutes to go. And luckily for me it was better and I had pole with 2 minutes to go. Then Madd went out and I saw that he was quicker in the first and 2nd sector and I knew what was gonna happen. With no time to spare for an outlap and timed lap I had to settle with 2nd. WHich I was happy with, as I have usually good standing starts.

At the starting grid something strange happened. There were cars passing me when the green flag wasn't waved yet. So when the timer started I floored it and immediatly took the lead.
I held on to that for some laps untill I touched the inside of the tight hairpin and it sent me round. I floored it to do a 360 but the sanddune beached me. Bara was quickly to overtake me and he had a big lead then (R: 783)
Few laps later I messed up again, spinning and losing another 4 seconds (R: 960). The 2nd setup I chose only had 22 degrees of steering lock, and normally I drive with 34,5. So when this car drifted, I couldn't catch it anymore.
At that point I was following Bara at a 10s gap. Noway I was gonna gain that in 15 laps. He then had something with a backmarker I think and I was 4s behind again. But he was quicker and drove off again. I had to hope for mistakes by him.
Even in his slipstream I wasn't gaining anything, but at one point he touched the grass at the last corner and I could overtake him on the s/f straight.
He was right behind me at the next straight and outdrafted me, and outbraked himself. So I was still on first place, but struggling (R: 2165)
I was surprised to see him outdraft me with no problem, whereas I wasn't doing that in the same situation. It was like he had no slipstream Undecided.
Lap later he outbraked me at the hairpin and I dropped to 2nd. The corner before the Dunlop bridge we were door to door drifting through (and shaking hands ; (R: 2288))).
Again, lap later at the backstraight. I got a better exit and could get alongside. Braked as late as possible but the backend locked and my nose was pointing left, where Bara was  Shocked. Scary moment for me, as I was afraid I'd hit him, but luckily it wasn't the case and the pass succeeded (R: 2362).
Last lap, again before the hairpin, Bara tried outbraking me, but braked a bit too late and got wide (R: 2463).

Great battle in the end with Bara. I usually take some slower car to have great midfield battles, but the difference with the other cars (mainly Fezza) was huge, which would have made it impossible to fight them. That's why I went for the Fezza as well, and to fight for the championship. In the end I got the battle I was hoping for, not midfield, but with Bara for the win. So even with picking the best car, I had a good race and had to push me .... off  Grin.

I added replay times in my post here Ossie, so that maybe makes it easier for you on the videodepartment.
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2007, 10:15:03 PM +0100 »




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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2007, 10:20:01 PM +0100 »

Gutted, dont believe it !  Huh Sad

Qualied 5th, looking forward to great race, about 4 laps into the race i am running 5th and enjoying myself, then the car just warped back to my garage mid corner leaving me sitting looking at the timing screens...wtf?  Angry
And it wouldnt even let me rejoin the track, like i was parked up for the duration.

Never had that one happen before !  :'(

Great track, though i hope that isnt an inherent bug in the conversion ?

Quite obvious what happened I think, you jumpstarted and didn't go in for the s/g penalty. You probably drove off when the 30s tiemr reached 0. I drove off when the timer started running and by that time you already moved halve a carlength.
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2007, 10:24:45 PM +0100 »

 oops Firstly I must apologise to everyone about the start.

I sneezed and let go of the clutch..... stupid then the car lurched as I stalled and tried to restart it then I got a jump start and finally left the line bunny hopping like a learner driver.....oooh the shame of it. blink

Totally gutted as my quali was an absolute stonker of a lap, a pb by over half a second, in the dying moments too.

After I served my stop/go, I decided I had nothing to lose by just driving like a Maddman(sorry couldn't help myself  Wink ) and just drove my ass off, putting in almost quali times I slowly edged up on people and got past them, had some fine scraps with Adam, Pribeiro, Ossie, Shark, Syd (all very clean but hard I might add) but I was just making so much time up in the braking for the hairpin and keeping the speed in the last corner that I eventually emerged in 4th, not bad after such an awful start.

Grats to the podium, but this ends my shot for the championship I think.

Still very promising drive for myself.  Grin
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2007, 10:30:07 PM +0100 »

That was a mentally tough race! I feel for poor Hamilton right now :-)

In Qualy I just couldn't string together the time I could have got - every time I was up on the fist sector I would be too greedy at the hairpin and miss the apex! Still don't think I would have grabbed pole with Madd's last minute effort!! Smiley

As has been said the start was odd - I saw a Fez coming up behind me when we still had like 20 seconds to go then it vanished. So, settled into 2nd chasing Jeff - gaining and caught him but misjudged his braking distance and had to go straight on  at a turn to avoid clipping his rear.

Lost about 5 seconds and then a few laps trying to get my charge back on! Few laps later I came across a lesser-spotted mistake by Ruskus foraging in the grass at the hairpin, so I passed by quietly trying not to scare him off Smiley

So leading, and pulling a gap out if I got a tidy lap. Unfortunately came across a stranded backmarker at 90 degrees across the kerb after the bridge, but he got going just as I went past and went into me - shame coz he wouldnt have been able to see me coming at that angle - and I went onto the grass, just about held it without loosing too much momentum but Jeff was in my mirrors now and gaining. I made another mistake of my own making and then Ruskus and I had that mega battle for about the last 4 or 5 laps... really close stuff Cheesy

I think the reason I could get a slipstream off you Jeff, is that I was getting a better run through the bridge or out of T1 on those occassions. What gear ratio were you running?
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2007, 10:46:26 PM +0100 »

What gear ratio were you running?

Longest, and by the looks of it behind you, you were running middle, right? But didn't middle reline alot at the long straight?
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2007, 10:47:15 PM +0100 »

Yes, but don't tell the mechanics!  shifty
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2007, 11:03:30 PM +0100 »

I usually take some slower car to have great midfield battles, but the difference with the other cars (mainly Fezza) was huge, which would have made it impossible to fight them. That's why I went for the Fezza as well, and to fight for the championship. In the end I got the battle I was hoping for, not midfield, but with Bara for the win. So even with picking the best car, I had a good race and had to push me .... off  Grin.

Sorry Jeff in case you thought I was having a go at you (as I mentioned Alfas being boring which I know you said a few races ago) - I definitely wasn't, since you clearly don't just go for the quickest car!!  I stole your words as I agree with what you said about Alfas, get a bit bored with TC65 servers full of Alfas and tend to avoid them (even though it is one of the nicest cars to drive).  Just a shame I picked this race to go for a slow car when few people did.

Sounds like a good one for a lot of people, excellent  Smiley.  Definitely hoping for fun at the last one after two frustrating races though.
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2007, 11:11:13 PM +0100 »

What gear ratio were you running?

Longest, and by the looks of it behind you, you were running middle, right? But didn't middle reline alot at the long straight?

Yeah it did but only for about 100-150 metres, and you get to its top speed a bit quicker so I found there wasn't enough benefit to running longer gears just for that straight when the mid gears was better everywhere else (turns better and better grunt out).
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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2007, 11:12:54 PM +0100 »

Exactly!  Grin
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2007, 11:20:00 PM +0100 »

Sorry Jeff in case you thought I was having a go at you (as I mentioned Alfas being boring which I know you said a few races ago) - I definitely wasn't, since you clearly don't just go for the quickest car!!  I stole your words as I agree with what you said about Alfas, get a bit bored with TC65 servers full of Alfas and tend to avoid them (even though it is one of the nicest cars to drive).  Just a shame I picked this race to go for a slow car when few people did.

Sounds like a good one for a lot of people, excellent  Smiley.  Definitely hoping for fun at the last one after two frustrating races though.

Nono, don't worry, was just explaining my carchoice  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2007, 07:54:31 AM +0100 »

Did wonder if it might have been something to do with the start sequence, but although i did lurch forward, i stopped immediately, not passing anyone, and waited as the 3-2-1 flashed up and was never given any stop and go warnings audibally or visually  Huh and the game didnt throw me in garage when i crossed the s/f line after 3 laps, i think i was entering a corner at the time?

Might explain it if thats what it actually was, but also saw someone ahead lurch forward then stop and dont think they suffered the same as me ?

Shame, would have been a good race up front.
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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2007, 09:21:13 AM +0100 »

That would be very strange Mark if you got a stop and go but didn't actually get given it. After I saw you lurch a whole car length from your grid spot before the lights went I was sure you'd get one. Perhaps another symptom of using an addon track.
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2007, 09:25:17 AM +0100 »

someone else got disco'd didnt they?

Dont think i went a car length anyway more a foot or two, someone ahead of me lurched further forward but dont know who it was.

Strange to not get any warnings if thats what it was though Huh Not as if i didnt have time to pull in, i was in free track at the time under no pressure.

Been robbed of both my league races this week  :'(
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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2007, 11:41:24 AM +0100 »

Well the results show you as DQ'd so I guess that must be what happened.

This is an unfortunate consequence of using addon tracks. They can't be tested fully and some of them appear to have bugs in. Oulton Park seems to be prone to providing CTDs and Discos perhaps this one is prone to other things. We either have to say ok so sometimes this will happen with addon tracks or we simply don't use any at all. Undecided
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