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November 29, 2007, 08:54:43 PM +0000 - Dijon-Prenois (Short) - UKGTL Season 4 GT Classics Cup
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Chevrolet Corvette (#821) GTC-65 1 +1:14.454
96.030mph
1 40:48.910
93.427mph
32 1:15.067
95.246mph
Dunlop  
Mike Hammer
 
Jaguar E-Type (#851) GTC-65 3 +1:14.691
95.725mph
2 +6.838
93.167mph
32 1:15.074
95.237mph
Dunlop  
ossie
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#126312) GTC-65 4 +1:15.010
95.318mph
3 +7.157
93.155mph
32 1:15.608
94.564mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#202555) GTC-65 6 +1:15.405
94.819mph
4 +7.217
93.153mph
32 1:15.375
94.857mph
Dunlop  
baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#202555) GTC-65 5 +1:15.174
95.110mph
5 +14.557
92.875mph
32 1:15.698
94.452mph
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 Legends Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#200860) GTC-65 12 +1:15.979
94.103mph
6 +34.461
92.131mph
32 1:16.298
93.709mph
Dunlop  
will16v
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#118123) GTC-65 13 +1:16.434
93.543mph
7 +44.225
91.770mph
32 1:16.044
94.022mph
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Chevrolet Corvette (#200863) GTC-65 10 +1:15.764
94.370mph
8 +48.286
91.621mph
32 1:15.871
94.237mph
Dunlop  
Phil Gilliland
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#653) GTC-65 11 +1:15.838
94.278mph
9 +54.240
91.403mph
32 1:16.363
93.630mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Chevrolet Corvette (#900) GTC-65 7 +1:15.571
94.611mph
10 +1:04.448
91.031mph
32 1:16.460
93.511mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Chevrolet Corvette (#804) GTC-65 9 +1:15.752
94.385mph
11 +1L
90.089mph
31 1:16.864
93.019mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 17 +1:17.169
92.652mph
12 +7.007
89.833mph
31 1:17.501
92.255mph
Dunlop  
Mr.BMW
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#603) GTC-65 16 +1:16.943
92.924mph
13 (+1) +8.271
89.787mph
31 1:17.076
92.763mph
Dunlop  
MortenS
 Team Shark Junior
Lotus Elan 26R (#200101) GTC-65
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14 +51.258
88.251mph
31 1:17.240
92.566mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Lotus Elan 26R (#202955) GTC-65 2 +1:14.605
95.836mph
15 31 1:14.883
95.480mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Jaguar E-Type (#851) GTC-65 18 +1:19.042
90.456mph
16 +2L
84.969mph
30 1:19.050
90.447mph
Dunlop  
[POOdle]andyq
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#653) GTC-65 8 +1:15.698
94.452mph
17 +4L 28 1:16.060
94.002mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#603) GTC-65 19 +1:22.848
86.301mph
18 +6L
74.751mph
26 1:21.431
87.802mph
Dunlop  
Davor Mirkovic
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 14 +1:16.521
93.436mph
19 (+2) +7L 25 1:16.171
93.866mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Chevrolet Corvette (#200863) GTC-65 15 +1:16.666
93.259mph
20 +14L 18 1:16.559
93.390mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1204s

Davor Mirkovic is trying to pass Adam Parle on the inside through the last corner but gets very wide causing contact between both cars, forcing Adam off track. Adam manages to keep control over the vehicle and gets back passed Davor.

No driver looses anything in particular and the passing driver is still behind. Also prior to this incident Adam did almost the same to another driver, so Davor gets off by a warning.


Server replay time: 1253s

Davor Mirkovic is behind Adam Parle as they are closing on the chicane. Because Adam is in the Corvette, he has to brake a bit earlyer than Davor, causing Davor to rear-end Adam.

Davor should've been prepared for this as he's been behind Adam for at least a couple of turns, and should know that Adam needs to take it easy through turns. But because of the severity of an impact this is for Adam, Davor gets 2 places lost as penalty.


Server replay time: 1538s

Jebstone Boppman is catched by the leaders, Jeffrey Ruskus and Madd-RIP, when he's entering the last turn a bit hot, which makes him go slightly off track. Then Jeffrey takes advantage of this and is getting along side with Jebstone as Jebstone is trying to rejoin the track. This makes Jeffrey loose it a bit, letting Madd passed.

Once off track you should not rejoin until it's safe to do so without obstructing other vehicles. Because Madd-RIP was so kind to let Jeffrey go by, no places were lost, and Jebstone did probably not see Jeffrey in his mirrors, and did maybe think it was safe to rejoin, his penalty is reduced to 1 place lost.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:14.454
96.030mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
Chevrolet CorvetteNovember 29, 2007, 08:54:43 PM +0000
L4
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:14.883
95.480mph
Madd-RIP
Race
Lotus Elan 26RNovember 29, 2007, 08:54:43 PM +0000
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2007, 06:55:32 PM +0000 »

Hi

Looks like I am quickest in the Jag and I also have more chance of keeping it on the track than the Elan. Can't drive the Vette at all! Best is 1.17.9 at the moment but will get quicker when I play with the set up I hope.

Nice to see you here Lee. I think you will enjoy it here. Very fast racers and usually very clean racing. I race four times a week and this is the hardest of them all!
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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2007, 11:30:40 AM +0000 »

I HATE this track!

I can't drive the Corvette, the Jag handles like a brick, so I'll have to drive the Elan.

My best time so far with the Elan is 1:21. something.
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2007, 12:37:07 PM +0000 »

Oh my, I've always liked Dijon. So flowing where most corners affect the following corner, and you really have to work at keeping the balance just right, it's lovely. Track is made for the Alfa. I spent a huuuuge amount of time, maybe 5 hours total over a period of two weeks or so, trying to get that 16 in the Alfa about a year ago. Failed at that, lost the bet I did it for, but still a great track. Have I said the word Alfa enough already? Grin

Two things are key.

1. Remembering your gas pedal is not an on/off control. Many places benfit from using 80-90% throttle instead of the ol' 100%->0%->100%.

2. Riding the curbs.

Sliding slows you down and is risky, even though it's fun  Cheesy so try to keep it minimal. Only place it's any good is T1, for getting the Jag/Vette to turn, and even then it's a small slide. Going sideways proper is, sadly, no good. T3 you might want to briskly lift off the gas to get the car to turn, but that means you messed up the entry (which I frequently do). I suspect Elan doesn't want any sliding at all, though I haven't driven it here. T2 uphill where you're just switching from turning left to turning right is a place where it's easy to get a slide (& spin even) if on full throttle, but letting off completely slows you down. 80-90%, i.e. just lifting a little, is enough to maintain control.

As for the second point, here we, and perhaps especially I, need to be mindful of UKGTL rules regarding driving outside the track. Going for lap records entails getting the whole car outside the track (if we count the white lines as track boundries) at several places (T2, chicane first and middle part) and I'll try my best to keep two wheels inside at all times next thursday. This is at least true for the Alfa and I'd wager for the E-Type&Vette too. But especially at the chicane it's so very very easy to loose it if you go curb jumping proper, so I'll have to find a safer route, also in accordance with the rules, come thursday practice.

T3 you can stay away from the curbs completely, you can put two wheels on the curbing, or you can even put all wheels on or to the right of the curb. Not much difference in speed if you get it right, but the middle option is much easier to achieve. Even when doing that (right wheels over right curb) you still need to be very precise, because taking your outer wheels (your left wheels) against the curb midturn will push you away from the curb and make you go wide and have a crappy entry into T4, which means you'll either slow down a lot or have a crappy entry into T5-6-7 (chicane) as well, which means your chicane exit will suck too. At least, this is what will happen if you can't correct it at some point, and if you're being pressured from behind you might not be able to, very easy to get contact if the guy behind doesn't realize what you're up to.

Heh, so that means in worst case getting T3 entry/apex wrong means loosing time all the way to T8, second to last turn on top of the last hill. But really, I'm just dramatising that, you should be able to correct T3 error in T4 entry, but if that happens be mindful of someone trying to pass you on the left before the chicane. That chicane is a recipe for disaster, but very fun also.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2007, 12:52:57 PM +0000 »

Good guide Hammer, very useful.

The Elan doesn't really slide, but you need to be very careful with the throttle, with my setup if you go round T1 in 2nd, any throttle at all makes the car spin.

When you get to the section with downhill left - uphill right, releasing the throttle seems to be the best option, it does make the car slide though.

I have noticed the problem of staying on the track, also the cut detection doesn't work properly. Looks like this will be difficult for the moderators.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2007, 01:04:03 PM +0000 »

Looks like this will be difficult for the moderators.

It shouldn't. People just need to respect the rules and obey them. Cutting on purpose alot of times will get you (in general) excluded!
With the Turagua race in the back of my head, where I saw loads of cutting, I'm also gonna keep a close on for this race.
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2007, 01:09:39 PM +0000 »

I always try to stay on the track, but with a sliding Elan that might be difficult! If I overtake anyone by cutting the track (accidentally) I let them through.

I'll be driving very carefully for this one, especcially since I don't like rear-wheel-drive cars.
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2007, 01:44:00 PM +0000 »

I always try to stay on the track, but with a sliding Elan that might be difficult!

If that happens a few times it's okay  Smiley, as long as there is no advantage gained.
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2007, 02:50:18 PM +0000 »

Serious cutting needs to be reported. The moderators do not scan through the replay of every car on every lap, it's simply not possible, so they rely on driver cutting reports. Having some exclusions from cutting at a previous race quickly stops people driving outside the rules (if they are doing so).
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2007, 03:03:39 PM +0000 »

Serious cutting needs to be reported. The moderators do not scan through the replay of every car on every lap, it's simply not possible, so they rely on driver cutting reports. Having some exclusions from cutting at a previous race quickly stops people driving outside the rules (if they are doing so).

I'll remember that. In the race at Turagua I got a stop/go for cutting the track. While two wheels were on the track.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2007, 03:10:06 PM +0000 »

I'll remember that. In the race at Turagua I got a stop/go for cutting the track. While two wheels were on the track.

If the track itself has cutting rules inside the UKGTL rules that's unfortunate, but ultimately we're happy for the track to provide the cut checking. Unfortunately most of the time the cut checking is inadequate not "too" adequate. Tongue
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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2007, 09:30:24 PM +0000 »

I can upload my Elan setup if you wanna try that out, Tib.

I can pin 2nd gear and accelerate in 3rd out of T1, and I'm not sliding into the uphill chicane off of the downhill turn.

The only place my setup has a hard time is when you bounce right over the hill, you have to be focused or you'll lose it (Although my recent experimenting may have eliminated this)

The only problem with my setup is, once/if you start to slide you won't be able to recover. I've tried to fix that, but if I do, the car loses all managability while racing.
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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2007, 09:37:35 AM +0000 »

I can upload my Elan setup if you wanna try that out, Tib.

I can pin 2nd gear and accelerate in 3rd out of T1, and I'm not sliding into the uphill chicane off of the downhill turn.

The only place my setup has a hard time is when you bounce right over the hill, you have to be focused or you'll lose it (Although my recent experimenting may have eliminated this)

The only problem with my setup is, once/if you start to slide you won't be able to recover. I've tried to fix that, but if I do, the car loses all managability while racing.

Thanks, I've tried making my own but it just isn't controllable.
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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2007, 12:56:44 AM +0000 »

I'll upload it when I when I get home from work
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« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2007, 08:53:25 AM +0000 »

I'll admit to a bit of sneaky pracci and first go in this Vette last night Smiley. Glad to say its almost as much fun as its bigger brother and seems to be equiped with the same brakes made of cheese or something. Best of mid 15's so far.

Its gonna require real sensible stuff from Vette and Elan drivers to avoid some ugly contact. With that approach, this should be a blast  Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2007, 07:51:18 PM +0000 »

Tib, go into the online setups and find the Dijon folder. My setup is named Dijon Elan MrBMW

If you find you're fishtailing, or having problems controlling the car with the throttle, just adjust the Power/Coast % to suit your needs, the suspension setup should be able to cater to any Power changes.
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