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January 17, 2008, 08:53:14 PM +0000 - Brands Hatch (Indy) - UKGTL Season 4 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 1 54.732
80.282mph
1 39:59.062
78.756mph
43 54.986
79.911mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#200167) GTC-65 2 +0.076
80.170mph
2 +17.493
78.186mph
43 55.202
79.598mph
Dunlop  
[POOdle]Keith
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 7 +0.914
78.963mph
3 +1L
76.649mph
42 55.939
78.549mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#202950) GTC-65 4 +0.516
79.532mph
4 +14.562
76.189mph
42 55.892
78.615mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 5 +0.758
79.185mph
5 +24.448
75.879mph
42 56.476
77.802mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 11 +1.638
77.949mph
6 (+2) +25.716
75.839mph
42 56.461
77.823mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Austin-Healey 3000 (#450) GTC-65 13 +1.796
77.731mph
7 +26.085
75.828mph
42 56.601
77.631mph
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#200864) GTC-65 9 +0.932
78.937mph
8 +31.322
75.665mph
42 55.899
78.605mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Austin-Healey 3000 (#453) GTC-65 16 +1.926
77.552mph
9 +35.693
75.530mph
42 56.759
77.414mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Austin-Healey 3000 (#473) GTC-65 10 +1.563
78.053mph
10 +36.071
75.518mph
42 56.969
77.129mph
Dunlop  
evert blommert
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#202550) TC-65 D2 14 +1.907
77.578mph
11 +2L
74.949mph
41 56.519
77.743mph
Dunlop  
ossie
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#126309) GTC-65 8 +0.917
78.959mph
12 (+5) +5.793
74.769mph
41 56.361
77.961mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#200864) GTC-65 17 +2.183
77.202mph
13 +9.243
74.662mph
41 57.010
77.074mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#907) TC-65 D2 22 +3.584
75.348mph
14 +48.643
73.462mph
41 58.034
75.714mph
Dunlop  
Mr.BMW
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#179412) GTC-65 20 +2.785
76.394mph
15 +3L
72.872mph
40 57.377
76.581mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Alfa Romeo GTA (#205502) TC-65 D2 19 +2.734
76.462mph
16 +2.318
72.802mph
40 57.699
76.153mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 18 +2.187
77.197mph
17 +4L
71.290mph
39 57.081
76.978mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Renault Alpine A110 (#200125) GTC-65 6 +0.899
78.984mph
18 +15L 28 55.847
78.679mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Lee.
 
Austin-Healey 3000 (#471) GTC-65 15 +1.914
77.569mph
19 +17L 26 57.829
75.982mph
unknown
Dunlop  
[POOdle]andyq
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 12 +1.772
77.764mph
20 +22L 21 56.791
77.371mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#118125) GTC-65 24 +5.441
73.022mph
21 +30L 13 1:05.304
67.285mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Alfa Romeo GTA (#205502) TC-65 D2 21 +3.328
75.680mph
22 +33L 10 58.168
75.539mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#202950) GTC-65 3 +0.294
79.853mph
23 +36L 7 55.703
78.882mph
unknown
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 23 +3.922
74.913mph
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 53s

In the first lap at Paddock Hill, Ossie bumps against the rear of Steve, who then barely holds on to keep it on the road. Because of this Steve loses two places as it was early in the race. The gap before Paddock Hill was there, so there was no need for such close action.

  • ossie (0ssie)penalty — Rear end shunt — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 298s

There is a very close group of 4 cars, one including PRibeiro. He is followed by Ossie and Simon. Ossie rear ends PRibeiro who then goes a bit wide at Druids. Because of the contact between Ossie and PRibeiro, Ossie loses a lot of momentum and that's why Simon hits Ossie at the rear, sending him into a spin.
Ossie was punished because Simon spun him around, however, it looked like that was avoidable for Simon. He keeps steering towards the corner, instead of around Ossie. I think this seems like dangerous handling around an incident. But because this happened so suddenly before Simon, I can't see him prevent such a thing.

  • ossie (0ssie)penalty — Rear end shunt — 1 place lost (plus 1 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 535s

Ossie just touches the right rear of SBG. Both don't suffer any inconvinience and can continue in the same places they were.
Although nothing happened here, the previous two incidents with Ossie did cause problems, so Ossie should really be carefull in this kind of situations.

  • ossie (0ssie)caution — Rear end touch
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 691s

Ossie and Madd-Rip follow Tinman and head towards Paddock Hill. Madd is on the outside and Ossie on the inside when Ossie doesn't give Madd room which causes Madd to go off. There was much more room for Ossie to give by going more to the inside, than that there was room for Madd to keep a bit wide. Therefore this was avoidable for Ossie

  • ossie (0ssie)penalty — Ossie — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 706s

Ossie follows Tinman into Druids. For the 2nd lap in a row there is a frozen car there. Ossie brakes too late again (heard by the hard revving under downshifts) and collects Tinman who spins and loses quite a few places. Ossie then waits for Tinman to continue and with that loses more places that Tinman.

  • ossie (0ssie)penalty — Rear end shunt — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1124s

Simon is caught out by the slightly early braking of PRibeiro. He then takes avoiding action and can steer around PRibeiro. Unfortunatly, he collects Steve who almost spins because of that. Simon waits to let both drivers by again and all three continue the way were.

  • Simon Gymerpenalty — Rear end shunt — 1 place lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1205s

PRibeiro is being followed by Simon. The Alpine of Simon can brake much later than the Healey of PR. Simon misjudges PR's brakepoint and rear ends PR who then spins and loses a few places.

  • Simon Gymerpenalty — Rear end shunt — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1353s

Simon spins as he clips the grass. He ends up in the middle of the road with SBG and Tinman incoming. Both cars can't avoid Simon and collect him. Simon spun on his own and there was nothing he could have done to prevent this. The following cars were unlucky and didn't have a lot of space to go to. However, I didn't hear any car lift off or go easy and approach the situation with care until the very last moment.

Please approach accidents with care to avoid making them worse.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 2210s

Appeal

Appeal rejected, penalty stays the same:

Madd gets a better exit out of Graham Hill bend and can get his front wheel on the inside of Syd. Syd then steers in much earlier than normal, and actually has to straighten the wheel and steer in again. This looks like a blocking manouvre. On the other side, Madd didn't have his car enough on the inside to claim the line and should have lifted off and join behind Syd.
Both drivers did something wrong here. Syd blocked and Madd didn't have the line to claim the place. Corner later Madd got the position of Syd.
Therefore Syd doesn't get the maximum of 3 places lost, but 1 place lost.

  • Syd Drakepenalty — Blocking — 1 place lost (plus 1 for penalty points)

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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2008, 09:56:55 PM +0000 »

Well the start was awful, selected first let the clutch out and........lots of revs, a few McRae smacks of the lever and a gear was found....reverse  Roll Eyes hit it again and first finally engaged then got hit by SBG I think, (very sorry  Embarrassed ) and gor going in....last  :'(, it was just a case of trying to be fast and consistent, was caught out by a couple of spinners early on and a little excursion onto the gravel whilst racing Ossie meant I gave myself even more work to do.

Thankfully I was in clear air most of the time and was reeling some people in by over a second a lap, so I was always busy and therefore concentrating (at least more than usual), got lapped by Bara and then Ruskus who must have got bored with the track and went offroad for a bit!!  Grin

Also very lucky when Shark spun saw the chaos andwas lucky enough to thread through the carnage, came acroos Steve who seemed to have lost his lights and was probably finding turn in points more taxing than they would have been, he went wide at the last corner and I managed to get past.

Finally came up to pass Syd and he too drifted wide at the last corner and I took 4th in the end, very happy with that, 16 overtakes! not a bad evenings entertainment

It was very tricky to pass back markers but most were pretty good tonight.

Grats to the podium btw!  Cheesy
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2008, 10:01:44 PM +0000 »

Thankfully I was in clear air most of the time and was reeling some people in by over a second a lap, so I was always busy and therefore concentrating (at least more than usual), got lapped by Bara and then Ruskus who must have got bored with the track and went offroad for a bit!!  Grin

LOL, I had nog idea where I was and totally missed the steerin point Grin. So instead of desperatly trying to keep it on track I went a bit of rallydriving Grin. After 43 laps I was bored of the track indeed Tongue.
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2008, 10:18:22 PM +0000 »

good fun that but hard work in equal measures  Tongue

Turned up late with about 8mins of qual left and hadnt turned a single lap around here in any of the chosen cars. Wanted time to test a healey and the fezza but work thought otherwise  Roll Eyes
Qualied a lacklustre 17 out of 23 with only 2 clean laps in remaining time.

Race was great from the lights, got a good clean start if not electrifying but cautious braking at paddock allowed wiltshire Tony through. I then set about SBG and we had a great, clean fight for about 18 laps or so before some multi car spin up ahead caused me to do likewise under braking. Me and Ginsters had steadily worked our way upto 9th and 10th at one point despite our own fight  Cool
10th seemed destined to be as high as i would get tonight as each time i got there an incident by someone else or my doing dropped me back down.
My finest moment however, happened on lap 31 when i saw a lapping alpine catching me with two other cars 'seemingly' in hot pursuit, so being the gent i am  euro i pulled wide left up at druids and took a real long slow way around to let the, ahem, lapping cars through only to find i had just let 2 cars overtake me for position  Roll Eyes Embarrassed...what a numbnuts i felt  :'(
The worst thing was i had lost all momentum and grip taking the wide line and they literally blasted past me to gain a few seconds up the road. D'oh ! taz
So i dropped from 11th to 13th. Caught them again on last lap but ran out of time.
Good job Baracus had lapped me twice as i wouldnt have made it to the end on the fuel left in car!

Congrats pody guys  thumbup1
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2008, 10:43:15 PM +0000 »

Not the most exciting race, but I'm very happy with my drive today.

The Ferrari is really the only car I care about enough emotionally to focus on driving the thing properly - driving to IT'S limits rather than MINE - and not wanting to dent it's beautiful shape Wink

I touched the grass a couple of times on that down hill left hander (Graham Hill) but that was the nearest I got to overdriving it Smiley

The car was perfect all race - I had exactly the right amount of lift-off oversteer for Paddock Hill and just got into the groove for the rest of the lap. I overcame my fear that I wouldn't be able to be consistent and it felt great!!

Must say thanks to all that I was lapping, as they made it very safe to do so. Even Keith dived out of the way for me (unintentionally :p ) so it was only Jeff and I went the whole distance!

Thanks all see you next time Wink
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2008, 12:41:30 AM +0000 »

Well I`ll go to the foot of our stairs, Nay the second step, My first podium 2nd in class I didn't get the champaign but celebrated with a Wells banana bread beer yum yum. Sorry if i slowed any leaders down I think  because when i center my track ir before the race I'm sat back in the chair looking cool and as soon as the race starts I'm like a nun on the M25 with my chin over the steering wheel and cant see any mirrors then when i look at the mirror, without thinking I steer away from my head turn  and drift a little, SORRY maybe a little bit of dead zone will help. Anyway big up to the winners,thanks to everyone and see you next time.
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2008, 08:11:07 AM +0000 »

Any idea about this Dave:


It seems your account is currently using too much CPU / Memory time. However, you still have access to:
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Not seen that before from SRou - possibly a standings generation from the league management system had temporarily chewed up enough CPU to stop other pages working - odd though because the lapcharts site uses only static content, so it may just be a blip in the hosting centre.
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2008, 09:10:59 AM +0000 »

Aarrgghhh!! can't believe i missed this!
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2008, 10:21:38 AM +0000 »

Managed to qualify well by my standards for the first time in a league race and after getting a half decent start in the Ferrari had a quality race, definitely the best yet thanks to another sorted setup from Prodigy's own Mr. Bimmer.

Was aware that my tires would be shot around lap 30 so as the car felt like it had good pace in qually, went about a serious conservation mission, pushing only as hard as I needed to stick with the best of the rest while the laps whittled down a bit. Steve H, fair play mate and nicely done into Druids  Grin. I know there were at least a couple of opportunities when you could've had a pass and probably left me out to dry but thought better of it so thanks, was very glad to finish. Hope that wasn't the frustration you refer to!

The latter half I found myself in a great tussle with Syd. Found it really difficult to do my own race pace while the leaders came through but that's something I definitely need to work on as its caught me out a couple of times. Made a complete hash of being lapped, holding up Dan despite trying to get out of the way (apologies!), getting sideways at Paddock and then letting through Steve who'd somehow ended up behind me and tucked in nicely to sail past in the guise of a leader  Shocked

Once i'd lost a shedload of time, saw Syd on the horizon once again and as you're just above us in the standings mate, had to hound you until the end  Grin. Really enjoyed our battle, thought i'd left it too late but just managed to clinch the place on the penultimate lap, thanks for some great entertainment, that was some sliding through Maclaren!

Thanks for a wicked race all and grats podium/ Baracus, couldn't believe my mirrors when I saw you lapping me so early...i'll be watching the replay for some tips.





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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2008, 11:18:32 AM +0000 »

Well that didn't go too well...

I managed 2 flying laps in qually, there were so many cars on track that I couldn't get a decent lap in. Undecided
Then I missed the lights at the start. Shocked

When I'd just been given my third Stop/Go in three laps (for cutting the track while diving out of the way of some of the lapping cars, who were acting like they couldn't see you. Undecided), and then crashing later in the same lap and destroying both headlights, I decided to retire. I was already three laps behind the car one place in front of me at that point. Shocked

My first DNF out of all the races I've been in here. :'(
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2008, 07:36:21 PM +0000 »

Hope that wasn't the frustration you refer to!


No way mate, that was fair racing, well done for getting a good result.  Wink

Race wasn't as bad as it seemed for contact, as is always the case.  But was that, gasp, Shark, lunging inside Prib and partly-spinning me round   Tongue.  Fair play though, you waited and it didn't really harm any of the 3 of us.  Man you must have been having a frustrating time with the Alpine, like you said.

Course everything went wrong for me after being tagged in T1 on the first lap, never had a clean run to get in a rhythm and just had lots of frustrating incidents which lost me places, including losing my lights to a lappee spinning in front of Syd and me.  It certainly got very dark by the end and I fell from 5th to 8th on the last lap as I just couldn't see where Paddock Hill turned and ran wide, despite tiptoeing round!
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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2008, 07:36:04 PM +0000 »

As I mentioned right after the race I got disconnect during the race. I've heard now from my follow GDC-driver that my car was idle on the track for some laps. I was not aware of this. The only thing I saw were some 'headlights which did not move and I was able to drive around freely (albeit with no other cars..).

My apologies for getting in the way like this. Next time I will disconnect immediately  Undecided
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2008, 07:52:46 PM +0000 »

As I mentioned right after the race I got disconnect during the race. I've heard now from my follow GDC-driver that my car was idle on the track for some laps. I was not aware of this. The only thing I saw were some 'headlights which did not move and I was able to drive around freely (albeit with no other cars..).

My apologies for getting in the way like this. Next time I will disconnect immediately  Undecided


Don't worry, these things can happen and often the last person to know about it is the person that get's disco'ed.
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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2008, 08:22:53 PM +0000 »

As I mentioned right after the race I got disconnect during the race. I've heard now from my follow GDC-driver that my car was idle on the track for some laps. I was not aware of this. The only thing I saw were some 'headlights which did not move and I was able to drive around freely (albeit with no other cars..).

My apologies for getting in the way like this. Next time I will disconnect immediately  Undecided


I saw a car that was stationary for two laps on the apex of Paddock Bend (I think it was that corner). It did give me a bit of a fright when I swerve to avoid a lapping car who then swerves to avoid a stationary car...It wasn't your fault though, so don't worry about it.
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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2008, 08:28:20 PM +0000 »

Thanks guys. See you at der Ring... (or should I say Die Ring...  Wink)
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