UKGTR Season 6 Lower Sprint - Hockenheim (GP) - Nov 13

[spanner]

Seems it was memorable for the wrong reasons at the front!

Was it a low turn out? I seemed to struggle to fully adjust to the weight having practised offline but until i can sort out the lack of front grip i'll be staying at the back! though didnt expect to be last:(

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Dave, to use your terminology, if you'd made a pass stick after going that wide, I'd call that urine extraction.

Well having watched the replay of you for a couple of laps early in the race you are clearly the kettle to my pot, running off the track pretty much every lap on the exits of the Nordkurve and the Sachskurve. I don't know why you continue to have a bee in your bonnet about this particular issue but I'm sure I'm not the only one fed up with hearing about it when you clearly don't actually follow those rules to the letter yourself either.

[Paul968]

We all do it Dave and I've pointed that out before, but the rules specifically mention not gaining an advantage over another driver by doing it, which in this case was exactly that - you could not have made the pass without going off track.

Anyway, I never wanted the rule change you made, pretty much nobody abides by it including you, yet it it still there in the rules - daft IMO. I know I'm not the only one who has an issue with this, and it's clear that the mods are not exactly in full agreement either - look at Simon's comments only a week or 2 ago. The fact is, I would not have done as you did because I think the rules forbid it. I bet I'm not alone in this.

Everything you say here suggests that the rule about 4 wheels on the track is meaningless, so please just remove it and say that the track cutting detection will be used unless drivers are completely taking the p**s and exploiting crazy loopholes in the detection like the inside of T1.

[psuedo]

Gentlemen.

If anybody has an issue with anybody elses driving in this or any other race, then they should submit an incident report through the proper channels. Discussions in public, and photographic evidence being posted in the public forum is just not on.

[MortenS]

You'll still gain advantage over other drivers by cutting, even when not passing. You may close the gap, so I can't really see the difference between going off the track when passing or going off the track when not passing.

It wouldn't be much fun if someone found a loop hole, where he/she could cut through the grass and gain 3 sec a lap either.

The advatage by having the rule state that all wheels should be on the track is that it doesn't give advantage to drivers knowing where the off track detection sets in. But it could maybe be set to 2 or 1 wheels, as this seems to be where most tracks have the auto detection.

[Blunder]

I won't add to the T1 discussion! even though I did ask before the race! Sorry !
It is a tricky corner to get right everytime!

Started justifyably at the back! I love the Mossy but I can't make it go !!
Just love that great engine sound!!
Well I just did my thing stayed out of trouble and watched everybody else spin off infront or behind me!
Very entertaining from that point of view!!

Looking forward to a good winters racing!

M.

[Stewprovo]

Really enjoyed this one, even tho i spun on the warm-up lap , which kinda ruined my best quali ever. Very sorry to PRibeiro for the touch at the hairpin, & sorry Paul for the lunge , TBH I did'nt miss my braking point, I just made a desparate move, which by luck, did'nt cause any damage . Finished with my best ever result, and all my body panels still attatched . Congrats to podium, can't wait for next one.

[purdie]

the only way to sort this would be a UKGTR Hockenheim. Those efforts to make other UKGTR tracks were fantastic and rules are designed to be broken and we all have a go, for the first couple of laps keeping up with Brian at T1 i occasionally took a bit too much inside kerb and other times a bit toooo much outside kerb and the rest of the field did from what i can see......so i behaved for almost the whole race because Monza popped into my head where i got dq for blatant cutting (two races):

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2633#event259
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2647#event291

All this cuts are exceptable by GTR2 rules ofc  ....not one warning! and public servers do it all day long.

Its easy for me to say this as I can't redo tracks to make them UKGTR spec but its the definite answer i'm sure