NGT Sprint Cup - Season 1, Round 3, Enna - July 26

[Iain]

i did 1.40 lastime

i will make this one!

[fozzmeister]

Right well im down to 1:40.6 (F360) after about 3 runs on a slightly modified in-game fast (2 notches less front anti-rollbar, lowered by 0.5 and made the fast rebound less, and the slow bump more, only bottomed out 1/3rd of the laps coming off the left right chicane).

I modified that to a 1 splitter, (4 rear wing, something between 5-10psi less air in tires, lowered by 7F 7.5R, softened the fast rebound again by 1 all around, never bottomed out at all) and got to 1:40.3 after about 7 runs.

I think the 1 splitter is slightly quicker but its very slight. I wrote off the car about 5 times as I found it pretty hard to control, although it would be fair to say that the setup certainly wasn't tuned very well, i did feel loss of downforce pushing the car onto the road off the curb so i doubt it will ever become anywhere near as drivable around enna which is so much about curb hopping.

My core feeling is that for the endurance races with the longer qualify it might be wise to run 1 splitter in qualify, for the sprints probably 2 splitter for qual (you really only get 2-3 runs) and race.

Fozzmeister

[popabawa]

Thanks for the info. Fozz - useful stuff. I've never changed the splitter setting, mostly beacuse I have no idea what it is! (anyone?)

My main problem with my race set-up was getting the tyre temps up 

Enna doesn't seem very hard on the tyres at all, 30 mins on Soft/Med's was no problem at all, I'm thinking that Soft/Soft is do-able for a 30 min race.

[PaulW]

Ooo, interesting. I was planning a soft/med stylee but might try soft/soft.

Down to just under 1:40 now if I absolutely blast through the lap. Knowing me I'll do the usual Q2 perfromance and feck things up with a lap 4 seconds slower though...

I think you're right about the splitter Fozz (basically just front wing Pops!). I'm using 1 front (and 5 rear). Found the car was understeering a little afterwards so I softened up the front anti-rollbar by 1 notch and it's perfect. I'm finding I need lots of brake venting too to get a solid brake at both of the tyre chicanes so using 5.
2 engine vent for qually but will whack that up to 3 or 4 for the race- there is no way I want to drop out of races because I overheated the engine in the pursuit of an extra tenth a lap!

I'm using the first post in this thread for reference- https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=118.0 but essesntially sorting the gears, tyre pressures, wings, vents and then kack handidly trying to play with anything else that might help

[Wilier]

Joking aside, Ive never actually driven round Enna before last night, so 2:44 wasnt far off 

Managed to get down to 1:45's now on race fuel load, thats just straight out of the box with a little gear tweaking. Need to play with the suspension 'cos DAMN this track is bumpy (and how high are those bloody kerbs??)

I would think with a little more practice and some tweakage, a 1:43 should be in my reach.

Mrs Wil is away for the weekend, so I'll get some more laps done then

[Jamera]

Thanks for that link Paul, not seen that before

I always seem to be 7-8 secs slower than the race leaders, currently can't better 1:48  This is so frustrating, just want to be able to compete.

[fozzmeister]

I'm using the first post in this thread for reference- https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=118.0 but essesntially sorting the gears, tyre pressures, wings, vents and then kack handidly trying to play with anything else that might help

I'm not sure the bump and rebound descriptions are really very correct there, or at least it's only looked at one aspect of it, and for me the aspect that i've never considered.

Oh and it appears that the comments on it are wrong too. The bump and rebound settings are not soft and hard, they are time based. so on a bump, 1 being the least amount of time is softest, but on a rebound 1 being the least amount of time means that the suspension recovers very quickly.

to have "soft" you would need low bump, high rebound,. or you could just change the springs.

I'll leave it upto the you guys how best to setup a car for getting over those curbs.

Fozzmeister

[popabawa]

I always seem to be 7-8 secs slower than the race leaders, currently can't better 1:48. This is so frustrating, just want to be able to compete.

Not that I'm any expert Jam, but I've seen you improve massively recently   Don't forget that the top dogs in UKGTR have been 'hardcore' since Grand Prix Legends was released (in about 1856) so competing at the front is pretty unrealistic for us mid-field'ers.

Try to match up against someone of similar ability (or preferably slightly better) and set yourself some objectives around that. My goals are around top 10 finishes, and trying (completely in vain so far  ) to beat PaulW and Fozz (them being a bit better than me).

FWIW, I think consistency is the key at Enna, it's VERY easy to trash the car here and I've a feeling there could be quite a few DNF's on that basism so there could be some easy points to be had by 'just' finishing.

Pops.

[PaulW]

Bit better my arse! I couldn't catch you at Magny for a start!

As for intircate suspension discussion, I'll bow out right here. I have had success following the suspension information in that guide but who knows if it's that or a few more lasp that are making things feel better. Still refuse to get into the MOTEC analysis- it's like school all over again

The kerbs are MASSIVE here eh? The only ones I'm actively cutting are the ones at both tyre barriers (big time) and the last little corner complex before the start/finish. At all costs I try to avoid the kerbs in turns one and two- something about the way the car is balanced after the big brake into turn one means I'm right off the track as soon as I touch them.

[fozzmeister]

The kerbs are MASSIVE here eh? The only ones I'm actively cutting are the ones at both tyre barriers (big time) and the last little corner complex before the start/finish. At all costs I try to avoid the kerbs in turns one and two- something about the way the car is balanced after the big brake into turn one means I'm right off the track as soon as I touch them.

Yeh they are big the ones at the start, but i cut all but the first two on my quick qualify lap, I think you have to do it masively wheel on the grass, other wheel just on road to get the benifit tho, as your getting two hits further apart, risky as hell. won't be doing it in the race. i might experiment with a "clean" lap at some point :-)

Fozzmeister

[popabawa]

Bit better my arse! I couldn't catch you at Magny for a start!

Just head over to GTRank and compare our times... 

And I've just seen your 1:38.6 at Enna  Nice one!

[Paul968]

Jamera - if you want some help with improving your laptime, send me a replay + motec and I'll give you some feedback.

email is [email protected]. I'm away from sat morn till mon lunch, so send it quick if you want a response tonight.

cheers

Paul

PS If any other less experienced drivers want feedback then that's fine too - just none of you quick guys! 

[Wilier]

Ive just managed a 1:43.17, which was nice

Paul, Ive sent this lap for you to peruse, but no real hurry (before Tuesday night would be good though )

Cheers,

Phil.

[picnic]

Just done a 40.7 on the last lap of a 20 min race    0.6 down on my best 1st sector time, can I get a 1:39?

Doesn't really matter as I'm not around Tuesday for the race  :'(

[Jamera]

Jamera - if you want some help with improving your laptime, send me a replay + motec and I'll give you some feedback.

email is [email protected]. I'm away from sat morn till mon lunch, so send it quick if you want a response tonight.

cheers

Paul

PS If any other less experienced drivers want feedback then that's fine too - just none of you quick guys! 

Can't get motec to work, just hangs and says program not responding when I open it