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December 02, 2007, 09:13:42 PM +0000 - Sugo (Classic) - UKGTR Season 6 Lower Endurance
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Truetom
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#930008) GT2 1 1:20:38.436
83.469mph
49 1:33.518
88.133mph
Pirelli -30.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#930008) GT2 2 +58.927
82.464mph
49 1:34.111
87.577mph
Pirelli -30.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 (#900001) GTC 3 +1:05.852
82.348mph
49 1:34.358
87.348mph
Michelin +15.0kg
jan duijs
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4059) GTC 4 +1L
81.658mph
48 1:35.512
86.293mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Finn
 Over The Hill Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena (#4058) GTC 5 +1:28.769
80.189mph
48 1:37.226
84.771mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#510029) GT3 6 +2L
78.528mph
47 1:37.725
84.339mph
Pirelli +70.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#920013) GT3 7 +3L 46 1:39.705
82.664mph
unknown
Pirelli +70.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
BMW M3 GTR (#920001) GT2 8 +10L 39 1:33.938
87.739mph
unknown
Michelin +55.0kg
Prof
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 (#900001) GTC 9 +12L 37 1:35.993
85.860mph
unknown
Michelin -15.0kg
pribeiro
 Sonic Racing Team
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 10 37 1:37.940
84.153mph
unknown
Dunlop +10.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 11 37 1:41.267
81.389mph
unknown
Dunlop +40.0kg
Andy Eves
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4065) GT2 12 +13L 36 1:37.139
84.847mph
unknown
Pirelli -10.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 13 +14L 35 1:34.795
86.945mph
unknown
Michelin +90.0kg
Don
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#970008) GT2 14 35 1:37.100
84.881mph
unknown
Michelin +5.0kg
Roadrunner
 Racin24-7
BMW M3 GTR (#4143) GT2 15 +22L 27 1:34.445
87.268mph
unknown
Michelin +25.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Nissan 350Z (#990001) GTC 16 27 1:35.248
86.532mph
unknown
Michelin +43.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#760052) GT2 17 +23L 26 1:36.924
85.036mph
unknown
Pirelli -30.0kg
John
 Team Pseudo Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#880052) GT2 18 26 1:33.827
87.842mph
unknown
Michelin +10.0kg
R. Midderhoff
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#770046) GT2 19 +24L 25 1:36.079
85.783mph
unknown
Michelin +5.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 20 +34L 15 1:42.192
80.652mph
suspension
Dunlop -10.0kg
MortenS
 Team Shark Junior
Nissan 350Z (#990003) GTC 21 +36L 13 1:42.006
80.799mph
unknown
Dunlop -27.0kg
Pedro Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 22 +44L 5 1:41.176
81.462mph
unknown
Michelin +0.0kg
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« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2007, 03:01:40 PM +0000 »

I must admit I'm with Mark on this one, other races have had multiple disco's (albeit not as many) and those results have stood.  Its a shame you feel that way dave as tbh we all also put a concerted effort to turn up every week, is it really that  difficult  to add points to the tally? I don't know of course, but wiping the race is scant reward as Mark has said for those that remained or even those who turned up, only to be disco'd later on.

If most of the disco's began at halfway through the race then why no half points, that would then mean the race would not need to be rerun at least?

I do believe that a similar problem happened in a GTL race in Hockenheim in the GTC 65 cars and the race standings stood?

I spent the best part of 3 hours last night with this race, had I known it was null and void after all the disco's I would have quit out as there was no point in me carrying on in the challenging conditions for no gain at all. (even though it was very enjoyable I must admit) would a server message have been the best course of action?

If you're not willing to give points for this race then I would prefer to see the 2 dropped races re-run, in exactly the same conditions, this would give everyone the chance of driving as they would have done and also given people more of a chance for championship podiums.
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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2007, 03:10:11 PM +0000 »

I must admit I'm with Mark on this one, other races have had multiple disco's (albeit not as many) and those results have stood. 

That's usually because the disco is on the client's side. This time it was the server messing stuff up.
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« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2007, 03:14:33 PM +0000 »

its not to gain any 'unfair advantage' ginsters its for the bloody hard work of racing there for that length of time and getting nothing for it, especially in such a tight team champ position and also because i gave up an evening for it when i have got a million and one real world things going on at the moment.
I only raced last night to help our team points out, i had nothing to gain from it for my own purpose as not been able to commit enough time to both enduros this time around.
It doesnt matter, whats done is done, just a bad night with the server/supplier i guess but i'm still aggrieved about it..cos thats the way i am  Wink and the missus was none too pleased that i disapeared for nigh on 3 hours all-told either, so if i suffer...you suffer  Lips Sealed Grin

I like Brians idea of having 10 rounds, with the 8 best results counting towards it.  Cool I have seen that used in other leagues championships and think it is a very fair way of catering for real world stuff and Disco's. Its very frustrating to miss a round in a short series as you effectively snafu your hopes of a good championship fight.
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« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2007, 03:17:16 PM +0000 »

I must admit I'm with Mark on this one, other races have had multiple disco's (albeit not as many) and those results have stood.  Its a shame you feel that way dave as tbh we all also put a concerted effort to turn up every week, is it really that  difficult  to add points to the tally? I don't know of course, but wiping the race is scant reward as Mark has said for those that remained or even those who turned up, only to be disco'd later on.

If most of the disco's began at halfway through the race then why no half points, that would then mean the race would not need to be rerun at least?

Because as I've already said, there is absolutely no mechanism in place for allocating half points. If you would like to pay me at my normal hourly rate to add and test such a mechanism, I'll be happy to oblige.

I do believe that a similar problem happened in a GTL race in Hockenheim in the GTC 65 cars and the race standings stood?

As I recall, for that race everybody got disco'd at the same time, near the scheduled end of the race, and we took the results from the lap before (and I think I lost out by a place as a result). A totally different situation from last night where the combatants fell in waves.

I spent the best part of 3 hours last night with this race, had I known it was null and void after all the disco's I would have quit out as there was no point in me carrying on in the challenging conditions for no gain at all. (even though it was very enjoyable I must admit) would a server message have been the best course of action?

Sending out a server message would've been tricky given that I'd been disco'd - especially as at that stage we didn't know how many would finish. Roll Eyes Tongue

If you're not willing to give points for this race then I would prefer to see the 2 dropped races re-run, in exactly the same conditions, this would give everyone the chance of driving as they would have done and also given people more of a chance for championship podiums.

Running Sugo again in the same conditions would defeat the main object of changeable conditions, to make things less predictable. Tongue

I don't see how we could run the 8th race in the 'same' conditions since it's never happened. Tongue

As far as dropped scores go, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. What incentive is there for any of the successful runners to turn up for the last round if they know anything they score will be dropped anyway? You can't argue that they'd turn up anyway without me turning round and applying the same argument to those who've missed the odd round racing without the dropped scores - in fact I'd argue that it's considerably more annoying to turn up for every round and have some points taken away as a 'punishment' for good attendence.
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« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2007, 03:29:55 PM +0000 »

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The little lightning arrow thingy was showing on the weather doobrie.

It didn't show for me so I went with hards all round - not good at all until halfway  Sad I'd be interested to know what others started with?

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Besides, I didn't know it was the right choice before the race actually started - it was an educated guess.

This is the bit that I really don't like about the weather in GTR2. In real life you would normally know how hard it was raining and how wet the track was, but last night was a complete lottery as to whether you had the right tyres on. Had it been a bit drier then softs would have melted in no time.

It my screen it said the track was flooded, and the weather was thunderstorm, with thunderstorm as forecast.

I went with soft wet all around, but couldn't get any heat in them at all.
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« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2007, 03:33:58 PM +0000 »

'Dropped scores' ? I dont think 8 best results counting towards the champ is an un-incentive to turn up unless they scored 8 1st places in the previous rounds and therefore nothing to improve upon  Tongue

Our regular racing people dont aim to intentionally miss the odd round, just real life gets in the way as we all know. It would help during the summer too when people miss a round through holidays.

ps..whats this lightning doobrie everyone is mentioning?
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« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2007, 03:34:59 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2007, 05:18:36 PM +0000 »

That's usually because the disco is on the client's side. This time it was the server messing stuff up.

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« Reply #83 on: December 03, 2007, 07:12:38 PM +0000 »

Because this race was most likely to be wet, but not for certain, and the changeable weather makes the amount of 'wetness' unpredictable, I spent over 6 hours practicing and developing setups for this race alone. (and of course because I still need the driving practice Roll Eyes)...was it six hours wasted because the server went squiffy? Not even remotely.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I do this for fun/pleasure/passtime/hobby/entertainment. No one forces me to turn up and race in a championship, I do it from choice because of the above. Yesterday was a dissapointment do to the issues encountered...no one here at fault I am sure we will all agree...but what does it really matter?
Whilst I do try my hardest, and put a lot of time/effort into it....it is not actually important whether I score points, finish, win, lose, get disco'd etc etc. It doesn't detract from the fact this is a fun passtime and I enjoy any time I can spend participating.

As for Dave and the rest of the admin team, they give up lots of their own free time on top of practice/racing time to run this for everybody's benefit, not everything will always suit everyone but generally speaking the vast majority seem very happy with the way things are run. I think it slightly unfair when they get their decisions challenged as they seem to have been due to last nights race.
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« Reply #84 on: December 03, 2007, 07:24:23 PM +0000 »

I'm not challenging any decisions I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't have stayed up until 0100 or so for a fun race.  wheelchair
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« Reply #85 on: December 03, 2007, 07:28:58 PM +0000 »

In hindsight...quite a few wouldn't turn up for a fun race....but nobody knew is was till after it unfortunately.
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« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2007, 08:50:50 PM +0000 »

I agree with any decision, whatever will be  Wink
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« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2007, 09:12:28 PM +0000 »

Lol, I'd turn up for any fun race.  Smiley  And it was fun yesterday, I enjoyed every minute of it, even when I wasn't in the lead. We need more wet races, cards are shuffled and everybody's got a chance to reach the top. That is why I race, Psuedo. For driving only I get into a real car.  Grin
And MJ had fun, too. He's just bitchin' 'cause it's the way he is.  Wink

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« Reply #88 on: December 03, 2007, 09:17:18 PM +0000 »

Fun race no fun race,if the drivin is good i dont care,imo  every race at simracing.uk is worth the effort ,simply because the standard is high.
So wake me up at 2 oclock in the morning next time,no sweat Grin

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« Reply #89 on: December 03, 2007, 09:25:59 PM +0000 »

And MJ had fun, too. He's just bitchin' 'cause it's the way he is.  Wink

ROFL!  laugh

I agree, racing in the rain was great fun and I look forward to more wet races.
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