UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20

[Simon Gymer]

I'm not taking any ballast because I'm taking the Z3M. If it's actually competitive then I'll take ballast for future races, but I suspect the car will be handicap enough.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

I figure the Viper CC is probably heavy enough already!

[popabawa]

Awww... a few kg's of ballast too much for you Gymer boys is it? Well, I s'pose you need all the help you can get

[DynoDaz]

While the Legends opt for ballast and close racing, it looks like Teamshark haven't changed and will do anything to win the title. 

*Darren downgraded to reserve for GTC Sprint* 

[DynoDaz]

Joking aside, you guys both should take ballast, even a few KGs, just to set an example for everyone else.   If the Mods don't take the ballast system serious, why should anyone else?

Yes Shark you have penalised yourself by car choice, but what about other drivers who choose the same car?  Surely you deserve more ballast than someone who is slower...

Gizmo, we both know the Viper is very competitive in GT3, so don't be shy, add those pounds.

[ginsters sponsored]

I'm not gonna decide on ballast until I've seen the opposition I face and what machinery they use Then I will have a better feel of what will give me closer races. Should need -20 I guess.

Really, unless your an alien, its impossible to guess what to take. Hopefully the aliens will take some ballast prior to R1 and then us mid-fielders will decide on some after that.

[Simon Gymer]

Joking aside, you guys both should take ballast, even a few KGs, just to set an example for everyone else.   If the Mods don't take the ballast system serious, why should anyone else?

Yes Shark you have penalised yourself by car choice, but what about other drivers who choose the same car?  Surely you deserve more ballast than someone who is slower...

Gizmo, we both know the Viper is very competitive in GT3, so don't be shy, add those pounds.

I don't know that anyone else is taking the Z3M. I want to have racing fun and I think I'll do that by not taking any driver ballast and hoping my talent can bring my slower car up to the 911 Cup and Viper CC. After the first race I can judge it better. It's voluntary ballast and I see no reason at this stage to take any. If I were taking the 911 Cup I would take some, but I'm not. If I change cars halfway through the season, if for example I'm not having any fun in the Z3M for whatever reason, then I will probably take some driver ballast. The fact that it's voluntary means that the each driver is allowed to make a judgement call on whether taking x amount of extra driver ballast is something they feel they should do or not. It's not up to others to second guess what everyone else is doing.

If people are going to start moaning already before the season has kicked off about people not taking the right ballast in their eyes, then what's the point in it being voluntary? It's designed to help people create the racing that they individually want to create, e.g. if an alien wants to waltz off into a lot of lonely vitctories by taking no ballast and a fast car then that's his choice. But if he wants to take some ballast and maybe a harder/slower car to get some competition then that's his choice too. Then again if someone is winning easily, then perhaps they deserve to, it's not that driver's responsibility to make the racing good for the rest of the pack.

[DynoDaz]

Granted, it's difficult to know what ballast to take early on.  But if everyone is going to wait a couple of races before applying ballast, we will have to wait until race 4-5 before it settles down and we start to see the benefits.  If that is the case, we would be better off using the success ballast system from S6...

BTW Simon I was not moaning, I was making a suggestion.  Anyway, it wasn't my idea to make personal ballast voluntary. 

I was under the impression that ability based ballast was backed by the majority here to help provide closer racing for all.  So why has opinion suddenly changed?  Personal ballast should only be used to level the playing field, not to gain advantage over your rivals.

I'm sticking to my initial 20KG ballast, so if the guys I normally race with want to continue our little battles (you know who you are) you know what ballast to take.

 

[Paul968]

Surely if you need less ballast to survive in the Z3 Simon then the Z3 should be lighter as standard?

[Truetom]

As to ViperCC - it outclassed the 811 all over allready, so ... 

TT

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

As to ViperCC - it outclassed the 811 all over allready, so ... 

The only tracks where I got close to good results in Season 6 in the VCC were the very fast ones like Monza. At most events I came out of the pits after taking on my requisite 8 million litres of fuel to find all the 811s and Z3Ms had gained the best part of a lap over me.

[Jeffrey]

I'm not gonna take ballast as well. I have no idea how the Seat behaves in an enduro so I'd rather test it without any weight, than with. And besides, it already drives like a truck, and consumes the same .

[DynoDaz]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but haven't the cars been given ballast/physics changes to even out performance?  Ok there are a few cars that are clearly outclassed, but I don't believe the Seat is one of them.

I was planning on taking the Seat with 20KG of personal ballast.  Oh well, looks like I had better get used to the back of the grid.  :'(

[Jeffrey]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but haven't the cars been given ballast/physics changes to even out performance?  Ok there are a few cars that are clearly outclassed, but I don't believe the Seat is one of them.

I was planning on taking the Seat with 20KG of personal ballast.  Oh well, looks like I had better get used to the back of the grid.  :'(

Could be, don't care really. I want to test the car how it is without ballast, simple as that.

[DynoDaz]

Could be, don't care really. I want to test the car how it is without ballast, simple as that.

Isn't that what practise is for? 

Fair enough Jeff, personal ballast is "voluntary" after all.