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January 29, 2008, 08:30:05 PM +0000 - Curitiba - Race 07 Season 1
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Radical SR4 {unknown} 1 1:15.170
108.894mph
1 24:15.875
106.827mph
19 1:15.606
108.267mph
Avon  
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 4 +0.561
108.088mph
2 +6.463
106.355mph
19 1:15.981
107.732mph
Avon  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 5 +0.614
108.012mph
3 +6.572
106.347mph
19 1:16.043
107.644mph
Avon  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Radical SR4 {unknown} 2 +0.187
108.624mph
4 +8.684
106.193mph
19 1:15.974
107.742mph
Avon  
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 3 +0.452
108.244mph
5 +10.954
106.029mph
19 1:16.108
107.552mph
Avon  
Joss
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 10 +1.066
107.372mph
6 +25.088
105.017mph
19 1:16.132
107.518mph
Avon  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Radical SR4 {unknown} 13 +1.451
106.832mph
7 +37.433
104.149mph
19 1:16.926
106.409mph
Avon  
stnasky
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 8 +42.155
103.821mph
19 1:16.843
106.524mph
Avon  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 14 +1.553
106.690mph
9 +49.738
103.298mph
19 1:17.336
105.845mph
Avon  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 18 +1.913
106.192mph
10 +51.846
103.153mph
19 1:16.980
106.334mph
Avon  
Aagramn
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 20 +2.344
105.602mph
11 +58.700
102.686mph
19 1:17.675
105.383mph
Avon  
Don
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 15 +1.553
106.690mph
12 +1:03.585
102.356mph
19 1:17.849
105.147mph
Avon  
Mr_B.A.Baracus
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 8 +0.794
107.756mph
13 +1:04.648
102.285mph
19 1:16.758
106.642mph
Avon  
ossie
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 7 +0.787
107.766mph
14 +1:08.278
102.041mph
19 1:17.236
105.982mph
Avon  
Matra
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 19 +2.206
105.790mph
15 +1:12.224
101.778mph
19 1:17.790
105.227mph
Avon  
mag07
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 16 +1.605
106.618mph
16 +1L
101.175mph
18 1:17.648
105.419mph
Avon  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 22 +2.975
104.749mph
17 +6.119
100.752mph
18 1:18.980
103.641mph
Avon  
baracus250gt
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 12 +1.196
107.189mph
18 18 1:16.083
107.588mph
fuel
Avon  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 17 +1.910
106.196mph
19 18 1:16.828
106.544mph
fuel
Avon  
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 21 +2.631
105.212mph
20 +2L
94.401mph
17 1:18.501
104.274mph
Avon  
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 6 +0.631
107.988mph
21 +4L 15 1:16.751
106.651mph
suspension
Avon  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 23 +3.191
104.460mph
22 +6L 13 1:18.399
104.409mph
unknown
Avon  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Radical SR4 {unknown} 9 +1.027
107.427mph
23 +10L 9 1:16.829
106.543mph
unknown
Avon  
picnic
 Team Shark
Radical SR4 {unknown} 11 +1.163
107.235mph
24 +15L 4 1:17.705
105.342mph
accident
Avon  
Ade
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 24 +4.564
102.661mph
DNS ---
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Avon  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Race 07
{unknown}
1:15.170
108.894mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
Radical SR4January 29, 2008, 08:30:05 PM +0000
R1
January 29, 2008, 08:58:42 PM +0000 - Curitiba - Race 07 Season 1
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Radical SR4 {unknown} 8 1 24:17.151
106.733mph
19 1:15.496
108.424mph
Avon  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Radical SR4 {unknown} 5 2 +7.199
106.208mph
19 1:15.858
107.907mph
Avon  
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 7 3 +7.385
106.195mph
19 1:15.756
108.052mph
Avon  
baracus250gt
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 18 4 +8.610
106.106mph
19 1:15.715
108.111mph
Avon  
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 4 5 +9.802
106.020mph
19 1:15.952
107.773mph
Avon  
Joss
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 3 6 +22.724
105.094mph
19 1:16.365
107.190mph
Avon  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Radical SR4 {unknown} 2 7 +25.557
104.893mph
19 1:16.758
106.642mph
Avon  
stnasky
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 1 8 +27.888
104.729mph
19 1:16.538
106.948mph
Avon  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 10 9 +31.508
104.474mph
19 1:17.425
105.723mph
Avon  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 19 10 +32.365
104.414mph
19 1:16.645
106.799mph
Avon  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 9 11 +39.716
103.901mph
19 1:17.346
105.831mph
Avon  
mag07
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 16 12 +41.211
103.798mph
19 1:17.034
106.260mph
Avon  
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 21 13 +42.221
103.728mph
19 1:16.874
106.481mph
Avon  
Mr_B.A.Baracus
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 13 14 +44.905
103.542mph
19 1:16.537
106.950mph
Avon  
Don
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 12 15 +47.989
103.330mph
19 1:17.749
105.282mph
Avon  
ossie
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 14 16 +50.309
103.171mph
19 1:17.195
106.038mph
Avon  
Matra
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 15 17 +51.131
103.115mph
19 1:17.624
105.452mph
Avon  
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 20 18 +56.727
102.734mph
19 1:17.818
105.189mph
Avon  
Ade
 
Radical SR4 {unknown} 19 +1:15.382
101.483mph
19 1:18.328
104.504mph
Avon  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 17 20 +16L 3 1:19.323
103.193mph
unknown
Avon  
Aagramn
 Team Shark Junior
Radical SR4 {unknown} 11 21 +17L 2 1:19.854
102.507mph
unknown
Avon  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Radical SR4 {unknown} 6 +19L 0 ---
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unknown
Avon  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Race 07
{unknown}
1:15.496
108.424mph
Jeffrey
Race
Radical SR4January 29, 2008, 08:58:42 PM +0000
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« on: January 13, 2008, 11:25:32 AM +0000 »

Is a two race format where Drivers will score combined points from both races!

Practice: 20:00 (10 mins)
Qual: 20:10 (15 mins)
Race 1: 20:25 (19 laps) about 25 mins
Race 2: 20:51 (19 laps) about 25 mins

Track: Curitiba
Cars: Radical SR4 205BHP
Time of Day: 14:00
Weather: Dry
Start: STANDING

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 09:23:02 AM +0000 »

Having spent a bit more time with these cars last night I'm just wondering what others think about the handling of the Radicals.

Something about them just feels a bit *wrong* to me but I'm not sure if it a deficiency in the game or whether they just really have weird handling characteristics in real life.

I'm not sure if I can explain this very well but under heavy braking the car seems to go into a weird 'floaty' mode, I don't mean I'm sliding (well, if I am, the sound feedback isn't doing it's job), it's like the steering loses it's sensitivity somehow, then kicks back in as the revs build.

It seems to me that the physics model isn't working well (or at least differently) at lower speeds Undecided

I'm not much of a realism buff and don't get me wrong, these are a lot of fun to race, but I'm curious about this.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 11:20:56 AM +0000 »

I'd expect there to be more steering weight at higher speeds as the load on the front tyres for the same angle of steering is greater.

The steering should go very light if you've locked the fronts.

It's entirely possible that the tyre model in use is a bit regressive compared to that in GTR2. It's very hard to tell as I've never driven anything remotely like a Radical in real life.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 11:32:35 AM +0000 »

This sounds like fun, I'll try and make it now that TPG is dead for Euro racers.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 11:52:00 AM +0000 »

Well, I have know idea how such a beast goes in rl either. However, from experience, I have found out that you have to tread quite carefully racing them in Race. Their immense stopping and cornering power mean that if there are just slight differences in braking points it gets very, very tricky (getting in my excuses early  Wink).

Despite that, looking forward to this and sure we can have some good honest fun in them  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 12:57:34 PM +0000 »

I don't know if this helps but I put all the tyre sounds settings up to max to get a better idea of when the wheels were locking/sliding. Seemed to help make sense of things for me.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 01:36:53 PM +0000 »

The tyres lock up really easily, which gives the floaty feeling i.e you're not steering.I think these are motorcycle engines in real life - hardly any engine braking and the revs fall away to nothing in a nanosecond. If you do the 2 race option offline, before the start of the second race you get a report on the suspension, brakes etc. ANY heavy braking results in a report of front brake damage.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 02:30:54 PM +0000 »

Maybe it's the feedback that's confusing me then.

I thought I could tell when I'd locked up, it feels similar to pretty much any of the other sims (GTR, rF etc.), exactly how Dave described, i.e. the steering goes really light BUT you can tell that's what's happening.

What I mentioned was something different to that though, as I said, it's hard to describe Undecided
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 02:47:26 PM +0000 »

Unfortunately Pops, I believe that feeling you are having is fundamentally how RACE simulates it's cars and why you can do bizarred things with the Touring Cars especially. It's almost like sometimes they feel disconnected from tarmac and are running purely through some sort of algorithm that is plain wrong in terms of the feedback it gives to the user. I have the same problem with rFactor, although the wierd feelings are different there is still something fundamentally wrong about the way the car feels and reacts.

I think the reason the Caterhams feel better than any of the other cars is that their "exciting" real life characteristics are a good mask for hiding the underlying problems.

Doesn't make them not fun to drive though, but ultimately if I had to choose a game out of the current crop, GTR 2 is still my favorite feeling game by a long way! Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 03:48:57 PM +0000 »

read an article somewhere recently where a guy who races Caterhams for real, said the Race07 cars were a bit pathetic for feel and accuracy and that he preferred the rF Caterham mod by a long chalk.
Several 'real' race drivers seem to prefer rF for its more accurate physics portrayal too, but like you guys i find GTR2 'feels' much better to me. I can only go by my track days for comparison, but rF never conveys the same feedback through the wheel that i get on track (PCC07 mod an exception). It could just be that ive never got my DFP or G25 setup up correctly for rF, though i did get Sean Edwards' (FIA GT2 pilot and Porsche champion) G25 rF settings from him and still didnt rate the 'feel' Sad
Race07 seems an odd one for FF too, when i tried the FBMW the other week, the G25 felt awesome, but with the touring cars at Macau it was pants  Huh
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 10:41:39 PM +0000 »

Having just bought Race '07, it's taking me a while to get it setup so it feels right. It seems much easier than GTR2 but maybe that's just the Radicals. Whats a good lap time in the dry with these?
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 08:48:33 AM +0000 »

I think somewhere around 1:16 (maybe a bit quicker) will be "good".

Best I've managed is a 1:17.1 so far.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 09:26:51 AM +0000 »

I think somewhere around 1:16 (maybe a bit quicker) will be "good".

Best I've managed is a 1:17.1 so far.

Iam a bit slow then.  Sad
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2008, 10:04:08 AM +0000 »

I'm also in the 1:17s.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2008, 03:03:05 PM +0000 »

I'm doing 1.16.7, so 1.14.7 will be good.

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