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Question: Show of hands... what class?  (Voting closed: January 26, 2008, 03:22:01 PM +0000)
GT1 - 17 (47.2%)
GTC - 19 (52.8%)
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Joss
 Team Shark Junior
Saleen S7-R (#890003) GT1 2 +0.113
114.453mph
1 1:20:14.095
107.990mph
45 1:41.902
113.372mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Lister Storm (#860003) GT1 4 +0.300
114.242mph
2 +10.051
107.766mph
45 1:42.208
113.032mph
Michelin -5.0kg
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Lister Storm (#860003) GT1 3 +0.206
114.348mph
3 +12.489
107.711mph
45 1:42.317
112.912mph
Michelin -5.0kg
Paul Richards
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 575 GTC (#940013) GT1 5 +0.667
113.829mph
4 +22.931
107.479mph
45 1:43.096
112.059mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Lister Storm (#3014) GT1 10 +1.881
112.483mph
5 +1:06.308
106.523mph
45 1:43.527
111.592mph
Michelin -4.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 9 +1.880
112.484mph
6 +1:33.403
105.935mph
45 1:43.651
111.459mph
Michelin +12.0kg
Carl Hart
 Racin24-7
Lister Storm (#4014) GT1 8 +1.866
112.500mph
7 +1:42.379
105.742mph
45 1:43.622
111.490mph
Michelin -5.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Maserati MC12 (#870013) GT1 1 1:40.826
114.582mph
8 +1:45.491
105.675mph
45 1:42.732
112.456mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740052) GT1 7 +1.847
112.520mph
9 +1L
105.449mph
44 1:43.746
111.357mph
Michelin +12.0kg
pribeiro
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Ferrari 575 GTC (#4011) GT1 11 +2.057
112.291mph
10 +15.551
105.110mph
44 1:44.703
110.339mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
R. Midderhoff
 
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R (#3106) GT1 16 +3.446
110.795mph
11 (+3) +2L
103.031mph
43 1:45.347
109.664mph
Dunlop -15.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#830001) GTC 17 +8.160
106.003mph
12 +1:45.204
100.831mph
43 1:49.894
105.127mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
JonM_uk
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Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#830003) GTC 18 +8.709
105.471mph
13 +3L
100.067mph
42 1:51.052
104.031mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Paul968
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 19 +9.113
105.084mph
14 +1.807
100.030mph
42 1:51.063
104.020mph
Michelin +70.0kg
jan duijs
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4059) GTC 23 +10.089
104.159mph
15 +1:19.017
98.463mph
42 1:51.801
103.334mph
Michelin +30.0kg
picnic
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TVR Tuscan T400R (#940001) GTC 25 +10.149
104.103mph
16 +4L
98.309mph
41 1:51.804
103.331mph
Dunlop +5.0kg
Andy Eves
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#141492) GTC 24 +10.141
104.110mph
17 +1.412
98.281mph
41 1:52.043
103.111mph
Michelin +30.0kg
Darren Seal
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Morgan Aero 8 (#860008) GTC 26 +10.512
103.763mph
18 +3.655
98.235mph
41 1:51.957
103.190mph
Michelin +10.0kg
evert blommert
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4061) GTC 28 +10.986
103.324mph
19 +12.778
98.049mph
41 1:52.326
102.851mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#810008) GTC 21 +9.905
104.332mph
20 +1:39.725
96.316mph
41 1:51.026
104.055mph
Michelin +30.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 32 +13.016
101.481mph
21 +1:50.631
96.103mph
41 1:54.094
101.257mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
spanner
 
Mosler MT900R (#3101) GTC 30 +12.299
102.124mph
22 +5L
95.667mph
40 1:52.995
102.242mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
Prof
 Team Shark
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#830001) GTC 29 +11.180
103.145mph
23 +4.627
95.576mph
40 1:54.392
100.993mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 27 +10.940
103.366mph
24 +11L 34 1:52.177
102.987mph
unknown
Dunlop -30.0kg
[email protected]
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 12 +2.131
112.210mph
25 +13L 32 1:44.065
111.015mph
engine
Michelin +20.0kg
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740052) GT1 14 +2.706
111.587mph
26 32 1:44.069
111.011mph
engine
Michelin +12.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 20 +9.629
104.593mph
27 +20L 25 1:52.379
102.802mph
unknown
Dunlop -29.0kg
Jimmie
 
Ferrari 575 GTC (#110554) GT1 13 +2.563
111.741mph
28 +23L 22 1:44.248
110.820mph
engine
Michelin +10.0kg
Mr_B.A.Baracus
 
Maserati MC12 (#4033) GT1 15 +3.322
110.927mph
29 +27L 18 1:45.556
109.447mph
unknown
Pirelli -20.0kg
Don
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#810008) GTC 31 +12.792
101.681mph
30 +33L 12 1:54.774
100.657mph
unknown
Michelin +30.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#810008) GTC 22 +9.970
104.271mph
31 +35L 10 1:52.192
102.974mph
unknown
Michelin +31.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#950001) GT1 6 +1.418
112.993mph
32 +43L 2 1:48.930
106.057mph
unknown
Michelin +25.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 260s

As the cars are atarting to engange speed limiter at the end of pace lap, some car make contact with cars in front.

The first cars are fine, but Zacari(P4) is very close to Brian(P3) before Brian engages his limiter. So when Brian engages his limiter, he slows a tad sudden forcing Zacari to make contact. This then propagate through the field.

Just before he rear ends Zacari, Paul Richards(P5) engages his limiter; before Zacari enables his. This makes Simon(P6) close up before engaging his limiter, only to involve him as Paul then rear ends Zacari.

Gazza49er(P7) is closing his gap very fast as the cars in front are closing to engange limiter, and has to brake a bit hard to avoid (which he doesn't) rear ending them as they make contact. He also engages his limiter before the car in front.

[email protected](P12) engages his limiter before the car in front.

Truetom(P10) uses 15 sec to close up and engage limiter after P9 has engaged his limiter.

Popabawa(P20) engages his limiter before the car in front of him.

Andy Eves(P24) engages his limiter before the car in front of him.

Jan Duijs(P23) engages his limiter before the car in front of him.

Mark Jonso(21) first engages his limiter. But as he sees he could close some more before engaging he disengages the limiter, closes up, end reinganges it. This probably has something to do with all the confusion ahead though.

Paul968(P19) engages his limiter before the car in front of him.

Evert Blommert(P28) engages his limiter before the car in front of him.

Jon Moore(P18) is engaging his limiter long before Ruskus(P17).

Don Wright(P31) engages his limiter before the car in front of him.

Ruskus(P17) is able to avoid the accident in front as the pace lap is nearing it's end, but is very slow to catch up with the field and to engage his limiter as the field is back in the correct line.


Summary:
The first driver follow the prosedure according to rules, but then P4 is too close before P3 engages his limiter. P5 then giver nurishment to this ripple by closing and engaging his limiter before the car in front, so he rear ends that car. This then get new nurishment as the wave progresses through the field and many other drivers either turn on their limiter too early, turns it on, off and back on, or engaes it too late.

If anyone is unsecure about the rolling start procedure, just read about it in the "Start here" section.

Correction 17feb08:
Ruskus(P17) gets a bit confused by Midderhoff(P16) who disappears just as the first stock up begins, he then waits for him to reappear in front, and doesn't see that he's now in 12th. I'm therefore reducing his warning to an advice, and removing the bit about him not closing up properly.

  • Andy Evescaution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Don (Don Wright)caution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • evert blommert (Evert Blommert)caution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Gazza49erwarning — Engaging Limiter Too Early
  • Gazza49ercaution — Closing very fast as the cars in front are about to engage limiter
  • [email protected]caution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • jan duijs (Jan Duijs)caution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Jeffrey (Jeffrey Ruskus)advice — Engages Limiter a bit late
  • JonM_uk (Jon Moore)caution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Mark J (Mark Jonzo)caution — Turns on limiter too early and disengages it again
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Paul Richardswarning — Engaging Limiter Too Early
  • Paul968caution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • popabawacaution — Engaging Limiter Too Early
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Truetomwarning — Engages Limiter Very Late Before Start
  • Zacariwarning — Rear Ending


Quote from starting procedure:

<Approximately 20 seconds before crossing the start line the leader shall slow to pit speed and engage their pit lane speed limiter.
Each following driver shall close up directly behind the driver in front and also engage their limiter.
In simulations such as GTR2 where there is a visible indication that the car ahead has engaged its limiter, each following driver should not close up on the driver ahead until they can visually confirm that it has switched on its limiter.>


Server replay time: 279s

SBG disengages his limiter and takes off long before he reaches start/finish line. There's a line here also, but he should be able to see all the starting positions marked on the track, which continues until the next line, the real start/finish line. This doesn't affect the race much, as the other drivers follow him, but it's very hard to know how prepared the other drivers were for this.

Sorry to announce that I was wrong, the finish line is the one in the middle of the starting grid, only the start line is the last line. And since you start on lap 2, it's the finish line we should use.

Penalty removed.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 456s

Simon has spun trying to avoid the car in front's braking. He's waiting for the field to pass before rejoin. As he thinks it's clear he then moves right back to the rracing line with practically no speed. Robert then has little chanse of hitting him as he's chased by two other car, and probably spots Simon a bit late. Robert is then passed by those two drivers, but is later let by by Simon, or Simon just slides of the track?

Simon now sees that he should get up to speed outside the racing line to avoid these situations. Also he claims to have not seen Robert coming. After looking at the replay I can see how he'd missed him, as this car is very dark and is almost behind Simon as Simon's getting back into the racing line.

  • Simon Gymerpenalty — Dangerous Rejoin — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1665s

SBG is clearly cutting the track to pass Paul968. Even though Paul is being lapped this is a deliberate act and sertanly gives him an advantage.

This is also repeated at these times: 413, 515, 722, 824, 1455, 1561, 2081, 3628, 3938, 4900s.

The other times it could be he was missing the exit, but still this happens too often. This is also all in the same curve.


Server replay time: 3177s

Robert Midderhoff(P13) catches popabawa(20) and Darren(P21), and passes Darren on the inside on the straight before this left-hander. He then dive bombs popabawa, knocking him flying out of the track. He was clearly sliding wide before contact, and was carrying too much speed entering.

Popabawa was being chased by Darren and was affraid he could pass if he let too much off, but still he could've made a bit more room here. However Robert would need the entire road to pass cleanly at this speed.


Server replay time: 4768s

Andy Eves is lapped by FreQ, but then misses his braking before the next turn, ending up in FreQ's door. FreQ ends up on the grass. FreQ rejoind and get passed Andy again half a lap later, still in the lead.

This is clearly a mistake by Andy, and he admits that, but FreQ doesn't really loose anything by this.

  • Andy Evespenalty — Rear Ending — 1 place lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

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« on: January 13, 2008, 02:22:13 PM +0000 »

Practice 1:20:00(25 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(30 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.0.0 (download from here).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Silverstone ('Northampton') GP (download from here)
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 03:22:21 PM +0000 »

Same as Lower Endurance - 'show of hands' class poll.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 03:54:17 PM +0000 »

I intend GTC. Hope theres room!
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 10:36:19 PM +0000 »

GT1 for me, no idea what car yet.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 11:05:24 AM +0000 »

GTC for me too - I'll be in the newly painted Legends RS.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 11:07:24 AM +0000 »

GT1 for me, no idea what car yet.

I still have that hardly ever used MC12, preowned by a granny wheelchair (who has been getting quite bald and her mustache has extended to under her chin  Roll Eyes)
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 11:09:36 AM +0000 »

GT1 and the MC12 for me. At the mo I'm not sure whether the new MC12 is too fast or absolute cack  Grin Prolly a bit of both in my hands.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 11:14:35 AM +0000 »

Am I the only one who has a rather big picture of SBG's avatar? He leaves about a gazillion blank lines Wink
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2008, 11:23:02 AM +0000 »

Am I the only one who has a rather big picture of SBG's avatar? He leaves about a gazillion blank lines Wink

I didn't want to be the first to say, but yes it's huuuuuuuuugge and it would be nice if it was smaller wouldn't it Jeff? Wink
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2008, 11:28:42 AM +0000 »

Mmm I feel somehow less important now Wink. Still, size isn't everything.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 11:33:50 AM +0000 »

It's less disturbing too in the smaller size   Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 11:57:58 AM +0000 »

i've voted GTC but was very tempted to go GT1 in the Maserati once again...until i saw everyone else seems to be taking it  Roll Eyes..ya bunch of freeloaders, little bit of torque and now you all want one  laugh

Im expecting my house move to scupper my season 7 so may take whatever suits my fancy on nights i can make it to the races.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 11:59:43 AM +0000 »

Note to self: SBG susceptible to simple mind tricks, potential easy recruit for Team Shark Junior (The dark side of the team). Wink
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 12:00:43 PM +0000 »

was very tempted to go GT1 in the Maserati once again

What and prise you out of a 911! Shocked Shocked Kiss
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 12:35:33 PM +0000 »

Note to self: SBG susceptible to simple mind tricks, potential easy recruit for Team Shark Junior (The dark side of the team). Wink

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