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Question: When should we re-run this race?  (Voting closed: February 16, 2008, 09:31:44 AM +0000)
March 16th, leaving all other date intact - 12 (50%)
February 24th, shuffling other races around - 2 (8.3%)
I don't care, I will race whenever - 8 (33.3%)
I don't care, I'm not participating - 0 (0%)
I am a halibut - 2 (8.3%)
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  • U7UE Brno: March 16, 2008
March 16, 2008, 08:59:14 PM +0000 - Brno (1987+) - UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C)
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Joss
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Saleen S7-R (#890003) GT1 1 1:51.784
107.919mph
1 1:18:35.687
102.328mph
40 1:53.240
106.532mph
Pirelli +5.0kg
Simon Gymer
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Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 4 +0.798
107.154mph
2 +32.752
101.622mph
40 1:53.559
106.232mph
Michelin +12.0kg
Paul Richards
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Ferrari 575 GTC (#940013) GT1 6 +1.334
106.647mph
3 +42.782
101.408mph
40 1:54.403
105.449mph
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Zacari
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Lister Storm (#860003) GT1 3 +0.700
107.248mph
4 +1:31.620
100.378mph
40 1:53.231
106.540mph
Michelin -5.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
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Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 9 +1.831
106.180mph
5 +1:33.645
100.335mph
40 1:54.284
105.559mph
Michelin +12.0kg
H@L9000
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#4001) GT1 5 +0.949
107.011mph
6 +1:34.632
100.315mph
40 1:54.341
105.506mph
Michelin +20.0kg
pribeiro
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Ferrari 575 GTC (#4011) GT1 10 +2.348
105.699mph
7 (+2) +1:47.464
100.048mph
40 1:54.990
104.910mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Jorgen Wahlby
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Lister Storm (#3014) GT1 8 +1.827
106.184mph
8 +1L
99.301mph
39 1:54.146
105.686mph
Michelin -5.0kg
Stewprovo
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Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#3036) GT1 11 +3.865
104.313mph
9 +2L
97.034mph
38 1:56.076
103.929mph
Michelin +12.0kg
Paul968
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#930013) GTC 12 +9.041
99.844mph
10 +1:46.614
94.893mph
38 2:01.732
99.100mph
Michelin +70.0kg
Truetom
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#810008) GTC 14 +10.054
99.014mph
11 +1:49.846
94.829mph
38 2:02.378
98.577mph
Michelin +30.0kg
popabawa
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Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 15 +10.214
98.884mph
12 +3L
94.559mph
37 2:03.065
98.027mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Darren Seal
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#810008) GTC 18 +10.757
98.446mph
13 +19.292
94.174mph
37 2:03.380
97.776mph
Michelin +30.0kg
Mike Hammer
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Ferrari 360 Modena (#890013) GTC 13 +9.148
99.756mph
14 +22.846
94.103mph
37 2:02.140
98.769mph
Pirelli +15.0kg
Reign Man
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TVR Tuscan T400R (#750052) GTC 17 +10.268
98.840mph
15 +34.413
93.874mph
37 2:03.068
98.024mph
Dunlop +5.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 16 +10.254
98.852mph
16 +47.400
93.619mph
37 2:02.602
98.397mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
evert blommert
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4061) GTC 21 +11.419
97.917mph
17 +1:10.821
93.161mph
37 2:03.385
97.772mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#810008) GTC 19 +10.922
98.313mph
18 +1:34.027
92.712mph
37 2:02.866
98.185mph
Michelin +30.0kg
Michael Sunny
 
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#3100) GTC 22 +11.808
97.609mph
19 +1:37.928
92.637mph
37 2:04.088
97.219mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Prof
 Team Shark
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#830001) GTC 25 +12.141
97.346mph
20 +4L
92.050mph
36 2:05.078
96.449mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 23 +11.830
97.591mph
21 +2.453
92.002mph
36 2:05.368
96.226mph
Dunlop -30.0kg
Andy Eves
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#141492) GTC 20 +11.227
98.070mph
22 +35.022
91.372mph
36 2:04.310
97.045mph
Michelin +30.0kg
jpv
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4059) GTC 27 +13.221
96.505mph
23 +1:09.313
90.717mph
36 2:04.705
96.738mph
Michelin +30.0kg
Gazza49er
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Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740052) GT1 7 +1.509
106.482mph
24 36 1:54.311
105.534mph
suspension
Michelin +12.0kg
API
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#3054) GTC 28 +15.048
95.115mph
25 +5L
89.186mph
35 2:06.358
95.472mph
Dunlop +30.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Maserati MC12 (#870013) GT1 2 +0.282
107.648mph
26 35 1:53.417
106.365mph
engine
Pirelli -20.0kg
spanner
 
Mosler MT900R (#3101) GTC 26 +12.344
97.187mph
27 +6L 34 2:04.876
96.605mph
fuel
Dunlop +20.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
TVR Tuscan T400R (#940001) GTC 24 +11.975
97.477mph
28 +33L 7 2:04.183
97.144mph
suspension
Dunlop +15.0kg

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Server replay time: 309s

PRibeiro jumps the start. The rules say:

"Each following driver should only disengage their limiter when the driver directly ahead does."

They do NOT say anything about overtaking before or after the start/finish line. The rules are designed to spread the field out going into turn 1 to avoid the concertina effect which otherwise tends to result in accidents during the start.

As a result of his jump start he gets past both Zacari (who went off during the formation lap) and Dave Gymer.

Because of the long delay in moderating this race I'm not going to issue penalty points, but I am going to deduct the two places gained as both cars passed were held up quite dramatically during the opening laps as a result.


Server replay time: 2579s

Shark is just leaving the pits as Zacari approaches T1. As they go into the corner, they jockey for position. Shark drifts out a little and Zacari tries to keep from running very wide, and Zacari's front right corner touches Shark's left rear, sending the former into the gravel.

Both drivers should have been more aware of the position of the other; Shark should've attempted to hold a tighter line and Zacari should've located Shark's car using 'glance right' and lifted to tuck in behind.

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« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2008, 12:24:24 AM +0000 »

Messy race for me.  Quali'd 3rd, flicked myself off on the parade lap and started 10th-ish, then someone (again) jumped the start behind me and I ended up losing a bucket load of time until I pushed my way back passed.  Then pushed as much as I could with damage, pitted early and didn't take enough fuel Roll Eyes then lost out a 50/50 into T1 and lost about 15 seconds, faught back to 3rd only to have to pit for fuel, came out 5th but managed to get 4th back before the end.

Given all that, 4th wasn't too bad! Cheesy  Grats to FreQ and Paul for wins.
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« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2008, 07:57:25 AM +0000 »

This may sound like an excuse but my engine began to splutter and stall a little towards the end of the race Huh I had my radiator to far open and i think that my engine may have been to cold. It seemed to go a little when i reved the nuts off it but it distracted the hell out of me and contributed to me missing my baking point as i described above and prevented me from putting up much of a fight against Dave at the end. Embarrassed  Does this happen in GTR2 or is it my wheel Huh

Shame about your spell of bad luck Gazza, but it cant last forever.

Could be your throttle potentiometer. My old DFP pedals were a bit like that towards the end of their life.

I presume you weren't running very low on fuel?
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« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2008, 07:57:43 AM +0000 »

I'm surprised. 2nd in Brno - Moi Huh I never score in Brno, so aliens must have been missing.  Cheesy
Not much to say about the race, was trying unsuccesfully to catch Paul968 through the whole race, but he was too fast even with his backpack on.  Smiley   Too bad I couldn't score in Dubai - the ladder would have been a bit different.  Smiley

Bad luck MJ couldn't race. I think he had a chance to win this one, or at least put more pressure on Paul968 then I was able to.  Smiley
Saw Mike stopped soon after the start - bad luck buddy, you would be on a podium for sure.  Cool

Good show, Legends!  clap

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« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2008, 08:14:01 AM +0000 »

A race to forget for me .... having been struggling with the flu since Wednesday and still feeling pretty rotten I wasn't actually planning on racing.

The race started reasonably well, chasing Darren round the park.  There were only a couple of occasions where I had a sniff of getting by (bent my front splitter on one of those occasions!), but I never really threatened.  The tyres went off a bit and when the GT1's came through I lost touch and that was that really.

I found some decent pace in the 2nd half of the race and was ahead of Psuedo and Reign Man, but the tyres went off again .... one splin let Reign Man through, another let Pseudo through ... and by that point I was really struggling.  Was absolutely shattered come the end of the race.  Lost the back end a "couple" of times and handed another position away.  Should have done a lot better last night, having fought long and hard with TT in the sprint, last nights pace was a dissapointment for me.
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« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2008, 08:58:51 AM +0000 »

I both qualified and raced much further up than I expected. Although I'd done 1:52.5 in TT mode, I was not expecting to do that online, so I was pleasantly surprised that lowering the wing and making some more changes (mostly to the rear), helped get me that time in qually online. However my race pace was seemingly 2-3 seconds slower than that in practice, but I guess whatever it was that I changed on the car worked, because I was able to be only 1-2 seconds slower than qually in the race actually. It also helped that the track temperature went up for the race as it made medium/medium work nicely.

I was utterly amazed that I was able to hang on to FreQ and SBG in the first half of the race. I was in close attendance for the whole first half of the race, but when we hit traffic, he seemed to get the better of it, catching people in better places. There were a couple of moments where there seemed to be misunderstandings with GTCs as it looked like they were letting both cars through when they probably weren't. That's multi-class racing, I hope I didn't cause too much discomfort for anyone.

Anyway, after seeming to get the slightly worse end of the stick in traffic against SBG, I was hoping for the "swings and roundabouts effect" and sure enough with one of the GTCs, he seemed to suddenly get super cautious and I managed to sneak on through.

I extended my second place lead over SBG until the pit stops, up to around 6 seconds?, with FreQ now 10 seconds or so up the road. We came to the pits on the same lap. I had to get some damage repaired as well as fuel and tyres, so I was worried SBG would gain those 6 seconds back. I was willing my crew to get me out before and sure enough they did, despite me over-running my stall slightly.

Came out of the pits side by side with a charging Zacari, which somehow knocked his car into the gravel. Still don't get that, as there should have been room for side-by-side there and down the straight into a braking fight. Haven't downloaded the replay yet as I was watching A1GP after the race till sleepy-time.

After the rest of the pit stops sorted themselves out, FreQ was a way off in the lead and Paul Richards was not gaining any on me behind, so I drove within myself to the end to claim a very unexpected 2nd place.

After that rubbish I'm gonna ditch GT1  hang , 2 laps down, with no offs, only a stop/go as an excuse, best of 1:56xxx is cwap  taz . GTC here I come.

I hope you don't ditch GT1 as part of my problem with this series is that there are too many GTCs and not enough GT1s. It means no one gets a clean lap in qually and no one gets a clean lap in the race. I'm all for having some lapping of different classes during a race, but it was 1 or 2 cars at minimum every lap almost, it was a little silly.

I don't think the problem is anti-GT1, it's just that everyone seems to love GTC (GTR1 nGT). Perhaps this series should get cut down to just GTCs next season if the split is going to be like this. It's effectively a 10/11 car race in GT1 for 80 minutes so if you get stuck in no mans land there's no chance to have a race with anyone even in the pit stops.
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« Reply #95 on: March 17, 2008, 09:59:48 AM +0000 »

I was not expecting to enjoy this, seem to have totally lost my racing mo-jo at the moment. Qually as expected was poor and I ended up near the back. The race started a bit better, passing a Vertigo at the start and comfortably following 2 cars battling in front until I dropped it at the last corner. No idea why the car had felt good and I wasn't pushing that hard. Had driven wide there loads of times in P,Q and the race without serious issues but because it was the race I hit the tyre wall, no engine, dead car. Fed up.

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« Reply #96 on: March 17, 2008, 10:02:07 AM +0000 »

What looked like an easy race turned into quite a struggle. Mike H and myself were well ahead in qual, so I assumed that the race would mainly be a battle with him, but when he dropped back I thought it might be a lonely drive - wrong! TT was grimly hanging on behind, although I expected to gain a lot at the pitstops. Slightly more worrying was the fact that the Vertigos of Pops and Pseudo were not that much further back. Even so, I had enough of a gap to cope with them, or at least I did until I started thinking about stopping. Fuel  on the RS is right on the edge of going all the way on a full tank, and to be safe I wanted to add a few litres at the stop. This meant working out when to pit so that the 13.2 litres I had set in the strategy would be more than the current tank contents. I was busy working this out when I missed the braking point for T4, ran wide on the grass and let TT through - fiddlesticks (or words to that effect). This wasn't a complete distaster though,  except that I did the same thing a couple of laps later, at the same corner  censored I lost even more time than the first off, and now it was all looking a lot harder. By the time we had all pitted Mike was well ahead. I followed Pops out of the pits, but first I had to get past Evert, who had just nipped ahead as I exited. I have to say a big sorry to him because I misread the screen and thought it said he was a lap down. As Pops disappeared up the road I was desperately flashing Evert to let me past, but quite rightly he held his line and made life hard for me - sorry for the mistake oops. I got by after a lap or so, in which time Pops had got a bit of a gap. TT was also right behind me now (who was so close to getting by at T1 as I passed Evert), although I now had 50kg less weight, so I hoped that would make the difference. We closed up on Pops who tried hard to hang on but didn't really have much chance. He let TT by as well, who was flying. Around this time Mike had his spin and dropped back, leaving TT and me to fight over the win. In the end though I just managed to ease away, allowing me to relax a bit for the last few laps.

Good to battle  TT again and nice to see you get some reward this time. Also nice to see Pops on the podium in the Vertigo.  Hard luck to new teamie Mike, who did amazingly to be in the lead after the stops considering his problem earlier on. I'm not sure it would have paid off  not changing tyres though - we were catching you at over a second a lap and this would be worse later on. Quite an eventful race for you though!

Congrats to Freq on yet another win ([cough] ballast [/cough]), Simon on an overdue return to form and well done to the other kerbies, especially Paul on 3rd in GT1. Only one issue with GT1s when I left room down the inside at the penultimate corner only to have the lapper slide wide and nearly push me off - no harm done but I need room to get round the corner too  Wink

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« Reply #97 on: March 17, 2008, 10:30:12 AM +0000 »

Who is going to be first out of T1?






Me - just!  Grin

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« Reply #98 on: March 17, 2008, 10:31:16 AM +0000 »

Phew! What an enjoyable race that was Grin

I hadn't had much chance to practice for this unfortunately so I wasn't 100% sharp but I knew I had a decent set-up and reasonable pace from the Sprint race.

I got a break in qualifying when I pipped Reign Man by a few hundredths then Pseudo got between us right at the death so I had another Vertigo behind me rather than a TVR ready to just blast past me at the start! Reign & Psuedo held each other up a bit as I pulled out a bit of a gap but then Pseudo came back really strongly and started to put a bit of pressure on. Pseudo looked like he was abusing his tyres a little though so i just tried to keep it smooth and a few laps later a few mistakes crept in and I was able to slowly build a bit of a gap again, that was impressive speed though Psuedo!

I thought I was fairly safe in 3rd when Mike Hammer suddenly appeared. I'd assumed you'd disco'ed Mike when I saw your stationary car at the start, I hadn't realised you'd deliberately stopped! I was unable to put up much a fight there and dropped to 4th but hoped I'd make enough up in the pits.

Surprisingly I came out a few seconds behind Mike (that was a surprise but it sounds like you didn't change tyres so that explains it) but ahead of Paul & TT by a few. I was desperately trying to work out how I was going to catch Mike or prevent Paul or TT from overtaking  and I have to say it didn't seem promising! Mike wasn't pulling away though, I guess the tyres were wearing but TT & Paul were catching me pretty handily. Then Mike went off which left me in a glorious lead which I had no chance of defending :'(

Paul took me by surprise catching me just coming into the 2nd to last corner, I was expecting to let you & TT past on the straight so I got a bit out of shape going wide into the bend to let you through, I hope that didn't give you a scare. TT went past on the straight so I was still grimly hanging on the final podum spot 8s ahead of Mike with about 10 laps to go.

I was expecting to see Mike appear pretty quickly but I was able to slowly pull a few more seconds ahead with Paul & TT a similar amount ahead so I knew I was safe barring any silly mistakes. In the end i came in pretty comfortably in 3rd which I was really happy with, my first podium of the season!  thumbup2

A great team performance coming 2nd, 3rd & 4th Grin

Grats to Paul968, how you haul that ballast around at that speed will forever be a mystery, great driving sir!

The GT drivers (with one exception) were really great tonight, thanks.
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« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2008, 10:56:52 AM +0000 »

Up until last night Brno has been a nightmare track for me.  So finishing 4th in class is a big surprise!

During the first half of the race I had an epic battle with Reign Man and Adam.  Although I was faster through the corners, the lower grunt of Reign's TVR always allowed him to gain the better exit.  Adding Reign's excellent defensive driving into the equation meant that I was always faced with trying to overtake on the outside.  Fantastic driving mate.  thumbup1

The exhilarating battle with Reign was intensified by the fact that Adam spent most of the time on my back bumper.  Knowing Adam wouldn't make any rash moves really allowed me to concentrate on Reign, and even on the one occasion I got a tad out of shape, Adam expertly avoided serious contact. Thank you, great reactions mate!  thumbup2

Unfortunately this 3 way battle was broken up prematurely by a lapping GT1 car.  Sad  How was the tyre wall Reign?  Grin

This meant the second half of the race was a dull hot lapping session.  That was until the final few laps when the gap to Mike came tumbling down.  I knew something had to be wrong for me to catch and pass him so fast.  Earlier in the race when I was battling Reign and Adam, Mike caught us so fast I thought he was a GT1 car and let him past without a fight. Doh!  Fantastic pace Mike.  Sorry to hear about your problems, you deserved a podium place....

Congrats Paul, very impressive as always.  Also congrats to both TT and Pops on great drives...            

  
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« Reply #100 on: March 17, 2008, 11:10:52 AM +0000 »

Great find, Paul!  clap  I think we even made a micro contact but fortunately it didn't lead into your spin. I was sooooooooo sure I was gonna be the first through there.  Grin  I feel a bit sorry for ol' Evert, must have been a bit scarry to get passed on both sides...  Smiley  I hope we can interprete this situation as an illustration of possibilities - there's no need for a carnage with three cars abreast into T1.  Grin

Succesful pit strategy / tactics remains a dark area for me.  Sad

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« Reply #101 on: March 17, 2008, 04:41:15 PM +0000 »

Best race of the season. Too often I have found myself in 'no man's land' with 30 or more seconds between me and the next person both ahead and behind.
Two good battles this evening first with a Porsche (API?) which was faster in a straight lines but struggling on wearing tyres in the corners.

After my pit stop I caught Ade and spent the last half hour of the race within a second or so either just behind or just in front. Great fair racing on your part Ade trying to race me and watch out for the GT1s. One classic moment where having let lapping cars through we were both waiting for the other to take the lead to resume the battle. I am not entirely sure I finally deserved to finish just ahead, I hope you feel I played 'fair'.  Grin
  Cheers Prof did enjoy that   Grin  after watching the replay and seeing your coming together with Evert and being a jolly good egg waiting for him and in the process  letting everyone else past and ending up last, then having to fight your way back up the field ,good work  thumbup2  i just couldn't take the position after you made contact with H@L wouldn't feel right after a good fight. Thanks again  euro
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« Reply #102 on: March 17, 2008, 05:02:11 PM +0000 »

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Succesful pit strategy / tactics remains a dark area for me.  Sad

I'm not sure you do anything wrong - you could do what I do and run full fuel at the start, but then you'd be slower. I prefer it my way, especially as the extra ballast means that passing on the road can be difficult anyway (people drive away from me on the straights) and it gives me the chance to pass in the pits.
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« Reply #103 on: March 17, 2008, 06:36:58 PM +0000 »

I cant write the expitives that i felt after the race Sad

I'd tried adjusting a few things both in the setup and controller setup earlier in the day and felt quite comfortable with it but i've never been comfortable around Brno so its no surprise i'm so far back, but i'm not happy about it as i was over a second slower i was doing in practise.

The race started ok though surprised to see sharks so far back Wink and for most of the first half was shadowing Ade but the mosler is slightly faster but slower through bends so really struggled. Afew times i was caught out by hesitant GT1's, watching the mirrors expecting them to go through rather than watching the road!

I pitted a few seconds behind Ade but seemed to end up a minute or so behind him. Admittedly i have autopit on but still!

And i'm sorry for hitting someone i was following far too closely towards the end of the race into turn 1.

But overall my driving was dreadful, I can't brake, downchange or get on the throttle for £1'000'000.  pathetic.

I'm braking before anyone else, but need to carry it on into the corner, i loose front grip, lock up then i try and accelerate out and slide the back. I'm loosing the front on the way in then the back on the way out! Why is every braking area so bumpy!

 Yes i know i'm over driving but i dont know how to improve!

Starting to wonder why i bother, i'm supposed to be enjoying it!




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« Reply #104 on: March 17, 2008, 06:55:56 PM +0000 »

All these things can be improved by a proper setup and I find I improve the most (when learning a track) with the usage of time-trial. Visible race line on, so you can see where to improve. Download some on-line setups for the car, try them and see which suits your driving style most. Then try to change it so you can drive the way you would like to. Change one thing at the time, go slow, try every change for a few laps. Man, this is time consuming to even think about it.  Cheesy  But it works.  Wink

TT

P.S. Bumpy braking surfaces? Your springs/dampers are too stiff.  Undecided
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