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  • NGT Sprint - S1 R4 - Brno: August 02, 2005
August 02, 2005, 09:24:17 PM +0100 - Brno (1987+) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 1 N-GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Matjaz Plotajs
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 1 2:00.888
99.792mph
1 31:38.530
95.313mph
15 2:01.647
99.169mph
Dunlop  
Mike Wrightson
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 4 +0.987
98.984mph
2 +19.694
94.335mph
15 2:03.075
98.019mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 5 +1.696
98.411mph
3 +20.837
94.278mph
15 2:03.264
97.868mph
Pirelli  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze insane Penguins
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 6 +2.395
97.853mph
4 (+1) +38.413
93.423mph
15 2:03.384
97.773mph
Pirelli  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 3 +0.939
99.023mph
5 +42.167
93.242mph
15 2:02.670
98.342mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 2 +0.216
99.614mph
6 +43.216
93.192mph
15 2:02.762
98.269mph
Pirelli  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 8 +2.726
97.591mph
7 +54.104
92.672mph
15 2:04.149
97.171mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 12 +4.471
96.233mph
8 +1:04.954
92.160mph
15 2:04.925
96.567mph
Dunlop  
rufbtr
 Speedworx
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 9 +3.166
97.245mph
9 +1:17.283
91.585mph
15 2:04.865
96.614mph
Pirelli  
fozzmeister
 The Crafty Butchers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 24 +10.894
91.542mph
10 +1:31.103
90.949mph
15 2:03.822
97.427mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +3.314
97.129mph
11 +1:53.754
89.925mph
15 2:06.252
95.552mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 15 +5.041
95.797mph
12 +1:59.297
89.678mph
15 2:05.911
95.811mph
Dunlop  
Iain
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 13 +4.745
96.023mph
13 +2:13.441
89.054mph
15 2:07.666
94.494mph
Dunlop  
malonejames
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +2.507
97.764mph
14 +2:33.281
88.193mph
15 2:05.174
96.375mph
Dunlop  
Woodee
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 19 +6.334
94.824mph
15 +1L
88.655mph
14 2:07.755
94.428mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 21 +8.275
93.399mph
16 +45.642
86.581mph
14 2:10.660
92.329mph
Dunlop  
as-here
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +5.833
95.199mph
17 +1:08.593
85.574mph
14 2:06.967
95.014mph
Dunlop  
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 22 +8.846
92.988mph
18 +1:10.593
85.487mph
14 2:10.312
92.575mph
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 23 +10.112
92.089mph
19 +1:58.003
83.484mph
14 2:08.656
93.767mph
Pirelli  
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +4.093
96.524mph
20 14 2:05.580
96.063mph
fuel
Pirelli  
CP
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 14 +4.786
95.992mph
21 14 2:04.826
96.644mph
fuel
Dunlop  
Wilier
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 17 +5.788
95.232mph
22 +5L 10 2:07.475
94.635mph
unknown
Dunlop  
TinMan
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 20 +7.168
94.206mph
23 +8L 7 2:08.039
94.219mph
unknown
Dunlop  
mo
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 16 +5.529
95.427mph
24 +12L 3 2:09.850
92.905mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

I had a report of one driver having a go at another using the in-game chat during qualifying. All drivers are reminded that using chat during qualifying is against the rules of UKGTR, and may lead to penalties being given, and also that disputes between drivers should be settled privately, involving the moderators if necessary, and not in public.


Server replay time: 320s

Greg130 has been following JM (malonejames). JM locks a wheel into turn 9 and Greg gets alongside on the exit, but Bernie is rejoining from an off and JM moves over to avoid him without realising that Greg is there, and there is light contact.

JM remains alongside on the run to turn 10, but Greg turns in on him and again there is light contact.

They remain alongside into turn 11; Greg (who is on the inside) takes the normal line out of the corner but JM is still there and is bumped off.


Server replay time: 326s

Bernie Lomax has run off at turn 9. Picnic goes past as he rejoins, but Bernie leaves his nose inside as they reach turn 10 and as Picnic turns in from a fairly wide line there is contact and the latter spins out.

This was the first racing lap, Bernie had been off the road, and was sitting right in Picnic's blind spot. Bernie had no right to stick his nose in where he did and should've displayed more patience instead of trying to make up for his own mistake at the very next corner.

However, because Picnic's line through this corner starts with a much wider entry and I think Bernie was anticipating, I'm going to reduce the normal first-lap 3 place penalty to 1.

  • Bernie Lomaxpenalty — contact with Picnic — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 388s

Fozz is following Tom Cooper out of T1, and outbrakes him into T2. Fozz holds a fairly tight line but Tom can't see him until after he turns in, when it's too late to avoid contact. Neither car goes off.


Server replay time: 536s

Mo is at the back of a little pack of 6 cars, with Fozz catching the pack. Mo gets his braking wrong into T4, and scrabbles back off the mrables as Fozz gets alongside on the run out. Mo drags his car off the curb, clipping Fozz's front left, before losing control in turn 5.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 570s

Mo spins in turn 7 and collects Woodee, who is unable to avoid him. Mo tags Woodee during the rejoin. Picnic thens runs into Woodee.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 605s

Wilier slides to the inside in turn 12, running over the curb before sliding back across the track in front of Fozz. This allows him to get alongside Fozz into T13, but Fozz doesn't quite leave him enough room and there's contact, Fozz getting bumped wide.


Server replay time: 1259s

Paul968 gets a run on Greg130 out of turn 1 and goes up the inside into turn 2. Paul runs a touch wide and there is contact, Greg bouncing off into the gravel.

  • greg130 (Greg130)advice — when in doubt, back off
  • Paul968advice — try to hold a tight line when passing on the inside


Server replay time: 1753s

Paul968 gets a run on TrueTom out of T1. TrueTom is himself chasing Bernie Lomax for fourth place, and whilst Paul is debating whether to actually try and pass Tom or back out, Tom turns in relatively early and there is light contact. Paul gives TrueTom the place back on the exit of T2.

  • Paul968warning — contact with TrueTom


Server replay time: 1784s

Fozz and PaulW fight over turn 2, and there is light contact. Fozz's passing attempt was a tad ambitious, but this incident must be judged against the background of the battle between these two who had been at it hammer and tongs for a large proportion of the race.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2005, 01:42:30 PM +0100 »

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after letting all the leaders thru, I let As-Here thru thinking he was ahead of me, but he wasnt, and then he was - d`oh!!!

Been there, done that!  Embarrassed Roll Eyes Grin

I fixed that problem by mapping the 'look behind' button to my steering wheel, then it's easy to check the position of whoever is behind you (as long as you have the 'tab' pressed).

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« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2005, 01:51:03 PM +0100 »

To finish first (or 10th!) first you must finish!

Just a thought- have you tried turning the steering wheel off Paul? Not having to draw that might give you a few extra frames.
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« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2005, 02:10:31 PM +0100 »

Yep - tried that. Tyf gave me a few ideas too, but I really just need more CPU horsepower than an XP 1600. It's mainly when there are lots of cars on the server that I get problems - I had a 2.00 something in qual on Monday night on the server, but there were much fewer drivers then.

thx for the suggestion anyway Smiley

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« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2005, 02:39:26 PM +0100 »

2.00??? Where was I losing 7 seconds in my Porsche GT3! Sad
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« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2005, 03:18:13 PM +0100 »

2.00 is insane! Have you a replay of a lap near that time? I'm interested in just how differently you're driving to gain 4 seconds on my best time  Undecided
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« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2005, 03:19:39 PM +0100 »

I was a bit nervous of Brno before the race, but now it counts as one of my favourite circuits!  It's quite technical but has a great flow to it.

I was taking it relatively easy in the opening couple of laps until the tyre temps stabilised, then I could start speeding up when the grip really appeared Smiley  The tyres lasted really well, no apparent problems with excessive wear, still had good grip at the end from my medium-medium Dunlops (really nice tyre, love them!)

Paul, I can try and reproduce my 2:01.6 from qually if you want Smiley
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« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2005, 03:41:49 PM +0100 »

Here you go :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.harrington/Brno%20360%20HL%202004.Vcr

I expect if you ask nicely, Mat has a sub 2 minute lap tucked away somewhere  Shocked
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« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2005, 03:58:35 PM +0100 »

2.00 is insane! Have you a replay of a lap near that time? I'm interested in just how differently you're driving to gain 4 seconds on my best time  Undecided

I watched Paul in qualifying and he uses a hell of a lot of curb, brakes exceedingly late getting the back end ever so slightly out (I expect you're running a more than normal rear brake bias Paul? most of the really fast drivers usually do) enough to point the car in a better direction for the exit. It looked on the ragged edge to me which is probably why I can never be that fast as I'm quite a smooth driver. Hey if you can do it that's how to drive really fast.

If you've ever seen any of the real aliens of GPL you'll know what I mean by the whole rear brake bias thing and a sort of style that is really hard to master.

It's not a style most people can drive as you'll often end up spinning it a lot and you do have to tone it back a certain degree for racing over qualifying otherwise you risk losing it too easily.
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2005, 04:01:15 PM +0100 »

Yep - tried that. Tyf gave me a few ideas too, but I really just need more CPU horsepower than an XP 1600. It's mainly when there are lots of cars on the server that I get problems - I had a 2.00 something in qual on Monday night on the server, but there were much fewer drivers then.

Yeah an XP 1600 is not enough for GTR's CPU hungry algorithms.

Other than the graphics options which I'm sure you're quite aware of what to change, have you tried turning off the MOTEC logging, which is more of an issue when you have lots of cars cause of the extra it has to log to disk? (Can be done by deleting the paths to the motec stuf in your plr file)
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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2005, 04:05:30 PM +0100 »

Cheers guys.
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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2005, 04:27:07 PM +0100 »

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after letting all the leaders thru, I let As-Here thru thinking he was ahead of me, but he wasnt, and then he was - d`oh!!!

Been there, done that!  Embarrassed Roll Eyes Grin

I fixed that problem by mapping the 'look behind' button to my steering wheel, then it's easy to check the position of whoever is behind you (as long as you have the 'tab' pressed).

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Yep got that button mapped to my steering wheel as well - just not confident enough to look behind me, even though it will only be briefly, and keep it in a straight line. I can hear the pit voice already "its the splitter, the splitters gone".

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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2005, 04:58:58 PM +0100 »

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Yep got that button mapped to my steering wheel as well - just not confident enough to look behind me, even though it will only be briefly, and keep it in a straight line. I can hear the pit voice already "its the splitter, the splitters gone".

Cheers

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Think you will have to get used to looking behind, don't know how I would manage without it (I also have look left and right mapped as well). The mirror in my opnion just isn't good enough.
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« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2005, 05:08:11 PM +0100 »

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Think you will have to get used to looking behind, don't know how I would manage without it (I also have look left and right mapped as well). The mirror in my opnion just isn't good enough.
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Yup, it's pretty much a necessity I think.

It's something to have a practice with - try it out on the really long straights at first though!
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« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2005, 05:37:14 PM +0100 »

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I watched Paul in qualifying and he uses a hell of a lot of curb, brakes exceedingly late getting the back end ever so slightly out (I expect you're running a more than normal rear brake bias Paul? most of the really fast drivers usually do) enough to point the car in a better direction for the exit. It looked on the ragged edge to me which is probably why I can never be that fast as I'm quite a smooth driver. Hey if you can do it that's how to drive really fast.
I'm not sure that rear bias and late braking is that important. I run about 55 on the bias, but as an experiment I put it forward to 60 and tried to do a lap without late, heavy braking and without any significant trail braking in fact in some of the twisty bits I just didn't brake but lifted instead. The result was far from perfect (not braking meant I slid wide at one point, which must have cost a few tenths) but still quite competitive - 2.02.0.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.harrington/Brno%20Light%20Brake%202020.Vcr

You can see some corners where the brake lights are on part way after turn in, but this is more a case of trying to come off the brakes smoothly rather than any overt attempt to trail brake. Sure, in qual I'm pushing for every tenth by braking later, trail braking, etc, but its other things which really make the difference IMO.

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« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2005, 06:34:02 PM +0100 »

I have a shitty PC myself as well so I have a button assigned to switch off the Motec display (tyre, brake tempreatures...) from which I gain 20+ FPS. I still have a nice and simple HUD display of revs and gear. Here is the way to have a HUD visible in the cockpit:

In the file name_driver.plr search the follow options:

HUD="2" // 0=none, 1=Full, 2=Minimal (when enabled)
Minimal HUD="1" // Whether minimal HUD is included when cycling through HUDs
Minimal HUD Position="1" // 0=left, 1=centre, 2=right

Allow HUD in cockpit="1"
1 is enabled, 0 is disable

There is a button (Controller - Extra - Toggle HUD) and if you press it after you have modified your .plr file you can have a HUD visible in your cocpit. By pressing the Toggle HUD button you can cycle through:

- no HUD

- minimal HUD (this one is my favourite and I use it all the time)



- full HUD (to much information and to big if you ask me)




All the rest (tyre temperature, brakes, time...) can be used when you need it. Just turn on your Motec display and then turn it off when you don't need it. It works fine for me. For most of the time in the race I use only minimal HUD and if I wan't to know other information I turn on my Motec display and then turn it off.


P.S.  Hm... just realized that this league permits driving from non cockpit camera as well. I always drive from cockpit only so this is what I do to improve my frame rate. I switch off my Motec display (tyre, brake temperature...) and switch on a minimal  HUD display for the revs and gear information.
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