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  • NGT Sprint - S1 R4 - Brno: August 02, 2005
August 02, 2005, 09:24:17 PM +0100 - Brno (1987+) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 1 N-GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Matjaz Plotajs
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 1 2:00.888
99.792mph
1 31:38.530
95.313mph
15 2:01.647
99.169mph
Dunlop  
Mike Wrightson
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 4 +0.987
98.984mph
2 +19.694
94.335mph
15 2:03.075
98.019mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 5 +1.696
98.411mph
3 +20.837
94.278mph
15 2:03.264
97.868mph
Pirelli  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze insane Penguins
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 6 +2.395
97.853mph
4 (+1) +38.413
93.423mph
15 2:03.384
97.773mph
Pirelli  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 3 +0.939
99.023mph
5 +42.167
93.242mph
15 2:02.670
98.342mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 2 +0.216
99.614mph
6 +43.216
93.192mph
15 2:02.762
98.269mph
Pirelli  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 8 +2.726
97.591mph
7 +54.104
92.672mph
15 2:04.149
97.171mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 12 +4.471
96.233mph
8 +1:04.954
92.160mph
15 2:04.925
96.567mph
Dunlop  
rufbtr
 Speedworx
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 9 +3.166
97.245mph
9 +1:17.283
91.585mph
15 2:04.865
96.614mph
Pirelli  
fozzmeister
 The Crafty Butchers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 24 +10.894
91.542mph
10 +1:31.103
90.949mph
15 2:03.822
97.427mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +3.314
97.129mph
11 +1:53.754
89.925mph
15 2:06.252
95.552mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 15 +5.041
95.797mph
12 +1:59.297
89.678mph
15 2:05.911
95.811mph
Dunlop  
Iain
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 13 +4.745
96.023mph
13 +2:13.441
89.054mph
15 2:07.666
94.494mph
Dunlop  
malonejames
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +2.507
97.764mph
14 +2:33.281
88.193mph
15 2:05.174
96.375mph
Dunlop  
Woodee
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 19 +6.334
94.824mph
15 +1L
88.655mph
14 2:07.755
94.428mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 21 +8.275
93.399mph
16 +45.642
86.581mph
14 2:10.660
92.329mph
Dunlop  
as-here
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +5.833
95.199mph
17 +1:08.593
85.574mph
14 2:06.967
95.014mph
Dunlop  
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 22 +8.846
92.988mph
18 +1:10.593
85.487mph
14 2:10.312
92.575mph
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 23 +10.112
92.089mph
19 +1:58.003
83.484mph
14 2:08.656
93.767mph
Pirelli  
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +4.093
96.524mph
20 14 2:05.580
96.063mph
fuel
Pirelli  
CP
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 14 +4.786
95.992mph
21 14 2:04.826
96.644mph
fuel
Dunlop  
Wilier
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 17 +5.788
95.232mph
22 +5L 10 2:07.475
94.635mph
unknown
Dunlop  
TinMan
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 20 +7.168
94.206mph
23 +8L 7 2:08.039
94.219mph
unknown
Dunlop  
mo
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 16 +5.529
95.427mph
24 +12L 3 2:09.850
92.905mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

I had a report of one driver having a go at another using the in-game chat during qualifying. All drivers are reminded that using chat during qualifying is against the rules of UKGTR, and may lead to penalties being given, and also that disputes between drivers should be settled privately, involving the moderators if necessary, and not in public.


Server replay time: 320s

Greg130 has been following JM (malonejames). JM locks a wheel into turn 9 and Greg gets alongside on the exit, but Bernie is rejoining from an off and JM moves over to avoid him without realising that Greg is there, and there is light contact.

JM remains alongside on the run to turn 10, but Greg turns in on him and again there is light contact.

They remain alongside into turn 11; Greg (who is on the inside) takes the normal line out of the corner but JM is still there and is bumped off.


Server replay time: 326s

Bernie Lomax has run off at turn 9. Picnic goes past as he rejoins, but Bernie leaves his nose inside as they reach turn 10 and as Picnic turns in from a fairly wide line there is contact and the latter spins out.

This was the first racing lap, Bernie had been off the road, and was sitting right in Picnic's blind spot. Bernie had no right to stick his nose in where he did and should've displayed more patience instead of trying to make up for his own mistake at the very next corner.

However, because Picnic's line through this corner starts with a much wider entry and I think Bernie was anticipating, I'm going to reduce the normal first-lap 3 place penalty to 1.

  • Bernie Lomaxpenalty — contact with Picnic — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 388s

Fozz is following Tom Cooper out of T1, and outbrakes him into T2. Fozz holds a fairly tight line but Tom can't see him until after he turns in, when it's too late to avoid contact. Neither car goes off.


Server replay time: 536s

Mo is at the back of a little pack of 6 cars, with Fozz catching the pack. Mo gets his braking wrong into T4, and scrabbles back off the mrables as Fozz gets alongside on the run out. Mo drags his car off the curb, clipping Fozz's front left, before losing control in turn 5.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 570s

Mo spins in turn 7 and collects Woodee, who is unable to avoid him. Mo tags Woodee during the rejoin. Picnic thens runs into Woodee.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 605s

Wilier slides to the inside in turn 12, running over the curb before sliding back across the track in front of Fozz. This allows him to get alongside Fozz into T13, but Fozz doesn't quite leave him enough room and there's contact, Fozz getting bumped wide.


Server replay time: 1259s

Paul968 gets a run on Greg130 out of turn 1 and goes up the inside into turn 2. Paul runs a touch wide and there is contact, Greg bouncing off into the gravel.

  • greg130 (Greg130)advice — when in doubt, back off
  • Paul968advice — try to hold a tight line when passing on the inside


Server replay time: 1753s

Paul968 gets a run on TrueTom out of T1. TrueTom is himself chasing Bernie Lomax for fourth place, and whilst Paul is debating whether to actually try and pass Tom or back out, Tom turns in relatively early and there is light contact. Paul gives TrueTom the place back on the exit of T2.

  • Paul968warning — contact with TrueTom


Server replay time: 1784s

Fozz and PaulW fight over turn 2, and there is light contact. Fozz's passing attempt was a tad ambitious, but this incident must be judged against the background of the battle between these two who had been at it hammer and tongs for a large proportion of the race.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2005, 10:45:29 PM +0100 »

First NGT race for me, havn't driven theF360 for a long time so was a bit rusty to say the least. Qualified 8th which was satisfying, was never going to live with the fast guys.
Had 2 lots of contact on lap 1 with JM, racing incidents in my book. First contact i was on the outside, both survived. 2nd contact I was on the inside, tried to leave enough track for JM but he turned into me and spun off, guess I was in his blindspot, hope he feels the same way as me and considers them both as racing incidents.
Moved up to 6th after a while but Paul was closing fast.  
Then comes my 3rd contact of the race, Paul takes the inside line, I know hes there but cant see him.  He runs a little wide carrying too much speed and takes me out, or did I turn into him ? Either way I visit the gravel and loose a few seconds, no big deal, another racing incident in my book.
Overall a really enjoyable race, finished 7th which was a bargain.
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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2005, 11:08:54 PM +0100 »

Brilliant race for me!!!

New PB in qually to put me 4th, held that round the first lap with Shark sniffing at my heels, saw first Paul then TrueTom make mistakes, leaving me in 2nd place!

Held off Shark for the whole race to make it a dE Racing 1-2 finish woohoo!!  No mistakes along the way which is a welcome change, thankyou to those I lapped, you were very co-operative Smiley

Congrats to Matjas for a fine win Cheesy
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2005, 11:29:59 PM +0100 »

Thanks Mike ! Great result for our team and not so interesting race for me. Starting from the pole I felt some preassure in the first lap from Paul but then saw him making a mistake coming into te first corner. From then on it was all about keeping the concentration and increasing my lead to a safe distance in case I do a mistake or have troubles overtaking the backmarkers. That didn't happened and I just dropped the pace for the last two laps and brought it home without to much stress. Hope you all enjoyed the race and let's hope for a nice fight in Donington as well... a home territory for most of you guys.  Wink
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2005, 11:41:46 PM +0100 »

Results up here:

http://www.ukgtr.org/lm2-report.php?group=10121&event=22

Drivers and team championships starting to take shape now.

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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2005, 11:44:47 PM +0100 »

A very competitive race, but by the end of it I was sick to death of Mike's rear end. Oof, those exhaust fumes, very smelly.  Tongue Start to finish for 30 mins with nothing but the rear of Mike's Ferrari filling my view.

Mike and I were almost identical in lap times both in qualy and race. I never once tried to make a move although I could have pushed a lot harder in the first 1/4 of the race whilst Mike seemed to be taking it a little easy getting up to full speed. After that was never more than 1.5 secs behind, just followed him the entire way hoping for a mistake but it never came. We were too close in raw speed for me to even think about a pass without a big mistake from Mike. Well driven under the pressure.

3rd place was a good result for me and PB in qually too, very satisfied with that.

Well done to Matjaz and Mike for the 1-2. Bloomin heck that was a stunning pole. There is no way whatever setup I make I can make up 2 seconds. Gonna be tough to beat Matjaz in the remaining races but these NGT races are becoming very nicely competitive on the lap times. Shame it's a bit of a F360 fest but there you go.
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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2005, 11:55:50 PM +0100 »

All incident reports to Gizmo (Dave Gymer) or Paul Harrington (Paul968) as usual please.

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« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2005, 01:18:56 AM +0100 »

Bit miffed with that to be honest.

Crappy qual saw me in 17th, got a decent start and was scrapping with PaulW, Don1 and a couple of others, then made an unforced error, dropped back to 18th.
Picnic cought me and passed me, but was dragging me long, then my PC just stopped?? I think it heat siezed cos Id dropped the engine vent to 3  Undecided

Anyway, it was fun whilst it lasted.

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« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2005, 01:43:36 AM +0100 »

I have to watch the replay, got a feeling I have some penalties coming my way however, so it all might have been for nothing...
Not from me m8, bit of contact but we both stayed on the road so good hard racing in my book.

Yeh that's my reading too, in the end the penalty doesn't really matter so much to me (I'm not where I'd want to be in the championship anyway). Its the ones where I was going passed slower cars that concerns me, at present my judgement is clouded just because I was going passed a lot, I know there was contact with one or more, but I'm virtually incapable of storing things in my memory while I'm racing, so I can't form a judgement.

So far in all championships, I've not really stayed out of trouble, but IMHO everything has either bit totally not my fault, or nobody but me has paid for my mistakes. This is a viewpoint that I wish to preserve :-)

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« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2005, 08:53:15 AM +0100 »

I hadn't done a lot of testing with the Porsche 911 GT3-RS(love the 360 but so many people driving it) and set up for the race with soft/medium tires. About half way through the race I thought the tires felt they were starting to go off,(might have got too hot didn't check) so decided to try and ease off a bit and keep some Tire in reserve. The change of rhythm had me spinning off twice and saw me lose a few places, So got myself out of the sand and started going at it again, luckily for me some people in front had problems and I managed to finish picking up a few points in the process. So one happy camper here!
Were any of you other guys in the Porsche's struggling with grip?
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2005, 09:06:11 AM +0100 »

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Not hugely, but from what I can tell, heavy tyre wear is a feature at Brno.

I didn't really push too hard at any point through the race so I was trying to not to put too much strain on the tyres hoping I'd pick up a few easy places as others span out towards the end - that didn't happen!

I was lapping fairly consistently around 2:06.0 - 2:06.5 if that helps.

[EDIT] I was running Soft/Meds.

As Matjas said in an earlier post, this track is all about staying on the driving line, I can totally see what he means now!

Cheers, Pops

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« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2005, 09:24:36 AM +0100 »

I had no real lose of grip throughout the 30 mins but had meds front and rear. I'm not happy running a soft/med mixture except as a qual setup as I find the tyres wear at different rates and then I usually end up with a very oversteery car. And once I start spinning it compounds the issue.
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« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2005, 10:15:25 AM +0100 »

Were any of you other guys in the Porsche's struggling with grip?
Couldn't find any decent grip in learning the track in the usual GT3RS. Had to break the habit of a lifetime and take a 360 last night and it had substantially more grip 'out of the box'. Having put a lot of laps in in the 360 I think it just edges the GT3RS overall with slightly more grip and slightly better exits in corners. Really disappointing because NGT is like a single make series at the moment. Hoping the GT3RS feels faster for Donnington!
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« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2005, 01:14:38 PM +0100 »

The rollercoaster continued with a pretty good qual (except who let Mat in the backdoor!), a close first lap on Mat's heels and then a stupid error at turn 1 dropping me to 10th  Embarrassed Spent the next lap riht behind Colin, who was not easy to pass and in trying I almost let JM Racing past into the last chicane. Finally got by Colin at T1 and chased down Popa, who I caught a couple of laps later. He clearly didn't want to dispute the position, giving in up the hill at the end of the lap. In 8th now and Greg is the next car, several seconds away. Took a few laps to get on terms, in the meantime Ruf had spun out (so close to taking Greg with him!). Made a silly slip and lost a coupe of seconds, which added to the time to get back to Greg. Got a run out of T1, outbraked down the inside into T2 and ran a touch wide, so that when Greg turned in (I was ahead at ths point) he bounced off me into the gravel. This was a tricky one, as he couldn't see me at all until turn in, whereas in real life he would have had more peripheral vision and waited. Anyway, sorry you lost out Greg. In 6th now and Bernie was well up the road in the Millenium Falcon. Luckily his warp drive wasn't working too well, as I caught up a few laps later. He was by then starting to reel in TrueTom, and as I made another small slip and dropped back a touch, Bernie made an audacious move up the hill right between Tom and a backmarker - great stuff! Tom did his best to stay in touch but lost a bit of ground out of T1, giving me a bit of a run into T2. I was looking to outbrake but prepared to back out if necessary, but Tom turned in earlier than usual which took me by surprise. The was slight contact as I slid down the inside and took the place, but I felt that it wasn't legit so backed off and gave it back. The last few laps I spent chasing Tom hard on worn tyres, with little slides putting paid to my efforts to pass, and so ended in 6th.

Can't really complain, as the race was a lot of fun and the mistake was all my fault. My lack of race practice realy shows atm, but I feel it's getting better. Frame rate wasn't a big problem but it still affects my driving - I am at least half a sec quicker offline and had a 2.00.4 in practice. Overall I enjoyed it tho, but with a tinge of disappointment not be fighting at the front.

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« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2005, 01:35:47 PM +0100 »

Well I really enjoyed that. The 1st race since race 1 that I didnt get 1fps. Tried to drive a consistent line and speed ( Cheesy ), hoping that I`d pick up a couple of places with fall offs. This happened, and after 3 or 4 laps I`d jumped 4 places, however this didnt last  Embarrassed. I spun under no pressure and let Jam and someone else thru, then on the last corner, after letting all the leaders thru, I let As-Here thru thinking he was ahead of me, but he wasnt, and then he was - d`oh!!!

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« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2005, 01:40:32 PM +0100 »

Finally got by Colin at T1 and chased down Popa, who I caught a couple of laps later. He clearly didn't want to dispute the position, giving in up the hill at the end of the lap.

Guilty as charged. I guess it's not really 100% in the spirit of things but as you chased me down SO quickly (I'm guessing you were 2-3s a lap faster) I decided I didn't an awful lot to gain by potentially blocking you for 20 mins (which wasn't going to happen!) and not to mess with my conservative driving strategy as I had a decent gap over 10th place at that time.

Maybe one day I'll be able to take you on Paul   Wink
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