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March 13, 2008, 08:57:26 PM +0000 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGTL Season 5 Season 5 GT Classics Cup
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 Kerb Crawlers
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 2 +0.308
100.156mph
1 39:59.615
97.343mph
25 1:34.907
98.448mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 1 1:32.980
100.488mph
2 +3.186
97.214mph
25 1:34.157
99.232mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 6 +1.245
99.160mph
3 +13.722
96.789mph
25 1:35.418
97.921mph
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#200861) GTC-65 3 +0.939
99.483mph
4 +15.695
96.710mph
25 1:35.125
98.222mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
AC Cobra 427 (#205323) GTC-65 4 +1.035
99.382mph
5 +23.385
96.403mph
25 1:34.567
98.802mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#202555) GTC-65 10 +2.174
98.192mph
6 +29.214
96.172mph
25 1:35.293
98.049mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elan 26R (#601) GTC-65 7 +1.707
98.677mph
7 +35.375
95.928mph
25 1:35.696
97.636mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#201488) GTC-65 9 +1.888
98.488mph
8 +44.624
95.565mph
25 1:35.392
97.947mph
Dunlop  
Phil Gilliland
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#653) GTC-65 11 +2.263
98.101mph
9 +50.812
95.324mph
25 1:36.095
97.231mph
Dunlop  
will16v
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#205707) GTC-65 12 +2.351
98.010mph
10 +52.523
95.258mph
25 1:35.567
97.768mph
Dunlop  
[POOdle]Keith
 
AC Cobra 289 (#873) GTC-65 15 +3.204
97.141mph
11 +1:05.954
94.739mph
25 1:36.969
96.354mph
Dunlop  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#653) GTC-65 8 +1.870
98.507mph
12 +1:14.310
94.419mph
25 1:35.532
97.804mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
AC Cobra 427 (#200868) GTC-65 5 +1.171
99.238mph
13 +1:36.071
93.595mph
25 1:35.552
97.783mph
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
TVR Griffith 400 (#201477) GTC-65 16 +4.272
96.074mph
14 +1L
92.593mph
24 1:37.162
96.163mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elan 26R (#205504) GTC-65 17 +5.549
94.829mph
15 +4.604
92.417mph
24 1:38.374
94.978mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#201488) GTC-65 13 +2.432
97.927mph
16 +4L 21 1:36.713
96.609mph
engine
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elan 26R (#205504) GTC-65 18 +7.754
92.753mph
17 +10L 15 1:38.913
94.461mph
engine
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
TVR Griffith 400 (#857) GTC-65 14 +2.834
97.516mph
18 +13L 12 1:35.826
97.504mph
unknown
Dunlop  
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GT Legends
GTC-65
1:32.980
100.488mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
AC Cobra 427March 13, 2008, 08:57:26 PM +0000
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 01:38:52 PM +0000 »

was going to take the Daytona but i seem well off the pace in that so far (1:37's) but am doing 1:35's in the Cobra and can go quicker me-thinks with some more laps. Never driven the Cobra ever in GTL so will probably take that for a 'spin'  Grin  It looks flipping cool in our Legends paint job too  Cool
The Elans the easy car here, you just bury the throttle pedal and pump in good laptimes, cant help but feel its the kop-out car as doesnt require any of the finesse/brute handling skills (and tyre wear) of the other muscle cars present so wonder why its in the same race  Huh Sure it'll lose out on the main straight but everywhere else it will be all over the other cars like a rash and setting regular low laptimes. The E-Type would have been a better opponent IMO.

Really looking forward to this race, love Zaandvort  Cool
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 01:44:48 PM +0000 »

It was added for the likes of ME.... laugh

I can't handle the oversteery cars and basically without something easier to handle, like the elan, It would hardly be worth my while turning up....I'm probably not alone....those other beasties take some taming and I for one haven't got a handle on them yet.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 01:55:06 PM +0000 »

yeah thats a good reason to put them in i guess Undecided, would rather have fuller field of cars so...

but then all quick drivers should be banned from taking the Elan ! euro
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 03:56:13 PM +0000 »

Oh I dunno, Elan might have the 289 Cobra beat on most tracks.
However, if we're talking about the 427, then sure it's risky and a handful, but if you can control it, it will be in a class of it's own. That's not an "if" to dismiss lightly, of course. Still, only GTC-65 car to have a chance against the mighty Cobra on *any* track, is the GT40, imo.

I may be wrong, because I've never done longer races then 20min or so in the Cobra. Maybe tireproblems can sway the balance. Or tired arm - problems  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 04:10:42 PM +0000 »

I was also sure the Cobra was fastest, although I hope it will be very close after 40 mins. As I said before, anyone who can drive it consistently on a track that punishes mistakes like this track will deserve their win, and be extremely knackered at the end. 

As long as I can get close to you gents in the TVR I'll be happy Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 05:04:28 PM +0000 »

This is a 100% handling track, just check out GTLrank. It's only outclassed by the GT40. In the top 15 there are 6 Elans and only 1 Cobra.

But the Cobra is awesome to drive with an online setup from -=4ph3x=-.

Best so far is a high 33  Undecided
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 12:23:46 AM +0000 »

This is a 100% handling track, just check out GTLrank. It's only outclassed by the GT40. In the top 15 there are 6 Elans and only 1 Cobra.

But the Cobra is awesome to drive with an online setup from -=4ph3x=-.

Best so far is a high 33  Undecided

His setup for the TVR was horrid as it was tuned solely for drifting.

I spent hours trying to tune the TVR for this track and I couldnt' get anything remotely useable Sad
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 12:52:11 AM +0000 »

But drifting is the best way to drive.  laugh
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 03:18:50 AM +0000 »

Not going to make this event - i'm out for some LAN simracing on GPL Wink
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 08:13:46 AM +0000 »

But drifting is the best way to drive.  laugh

Amen  Grin
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 08:27:49 AM +0000 »

I spent hours trying to tune the TVR for this track and I couldnt' get anything remotely useable Sad

Me neither :'( The Cobra felt "easy" after the TVR and I was quickly 2 second faster. Anybody help? Or, a late switch to the dark side is on the cards.
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 08:35:15 AM +0000 »

Me neither :'( The Cobra felt "easy" after the TVR and I was quickly 2 second faster. Anybody help? Or, a late switch to the dark side is on the cards.

Where do you sturggle with the TVR? Corner entry, mid-corner or corner-exit?

Usually lowering the rear slow bump helps, also softening the rear ARB makes it easier. Not too much rearcamber to keep the tyrewidth high Smiley.

But in general the TVR is a b*tch Cheesy. I haven't driven it here yet, but I can give it a go later Smiley.
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2008, 08:44:24 AM +0000 »

Where do you sturggle with the TVR? Corner entry, mid-corner or corner-exit?

I take its terrible brakes as given, but I was suprised that I couldn't get it to go quickly through fast twisty back section. Slow mid-corner, and exiting, on the faster turns for me and much slower there than the Cobra. First section, with slower corners, was about the same timewise.

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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2008, 12:35:42 PM +0000 »

This is a 100% handling track, just check out GTLrank. It's only outclassed by the GT40. In the top 15 there are 6 Elans and only 1 Cobra.

But the Cobra is awesome to drive with an online setup from -=4ph3x=-.

Best so far is a high 33  Undecided

Back to the Cobra vs Elan debate - there are lots of Elans at GTL rank as No Grip did an Elan race here recently so many drivers have posted their times!!

I tested the Elan and got high 33s, then jumped in the Cobra and was straight away over 0.5s quicker, so don't let anyone tell you the Elan is as fast!  But it is a little easier to drive!  This should actually make for a very even race.   Smiley

As for the TVR, it isn't really that bad, is it?   Wink  Should be quicker than the Shelby at least, only managed high 35s in that, it's quite a heavy car with a lot of understeer, but I haven't tested the TVR here.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2008, 01:24:34 PM +0000 »

The NoGrip Elan race was on the newer Zandvoort Steve, but there was a NoGrip GTC65 race on the 67 track 4 or 5 months ago in which most people drove the GT40 or the Elan.

Looking forward to tonights race. I'll probably take the Elan as I doubt I could keep one of the V8s on this track for very long  Cheesy
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