UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Dubai (GP) - Mar 9

[Mark J]

thats pretty much the way i read it Dave.
Surely Jure and Kerr would be better off stiffening their rear bump and rebounds and/or increasing the rear spring poundage. Not that i can argue with their normal pace on track !  ...heck what am i thinking ..TS drivers.....no go ahead boys, put as many packers as you like in the rear of your cars, it'll be fine 

 

[Kerr]

thats pretty much the way i read it Dave.
Surely Jure and Kerr would be better off stiffening their rear bump and rebounds and/or increasing the rear spring poundage. Not that i can argue with their normal pace on track !  ...heck what am i thinking ..TS drivers.....no go ahead boys, put as many packers as you like in the rear of your cars, it'll be fine 

 

I try and set my cars to be as smooth and as easy to drive as possible.

I do put a little packing in but I can't recall my car hitting any bumps then suddenly spin out. I find harder springs at the rear tend to make the car oversteer, especially coming out of bends.

I will take the packing out of my Dubai set up and test it out before the race.

At the moment I've set the Lister with 0.6cm of packing but I will take it out and add it to the ride height and see what happens.

[Truetom]

MJ, damn your arguing, now you spoilt it all - now nobody's gonna use the damn packers! 

TT

[Paul968]

I'm not sure I'd say everyone is struggling. A race time of 2.00.8 is pretty quick (about 1.5 secs faster than GTC last time), and Pseudo's vertigo times are still faster than that. In qual trim I'm certainly quicker than last time (TT is 1.58.8 ), but a tank load of fuel and med/hards puts me somewhere around the 2.02 area (without ballast). I just hope MJ's time is on lowish fuel!

I agree about packers - I can't see why they are needed and almost never use them.


[edit] just noticed that putting a time of 1.58.8 in brackets made it look like 1.58. -  not intended!

[Mark J]

Ha fear not Paul, 2:00 were my qually times in the RS not race. I can do 2:01s in race trim at moment. Dont worry i am a long long way off ever joining your alien ranks. 

[Jure]

Surely Jure and Kerr would be better off stiffening their rear bump and rebounds and/or increasing the rear spring poundage.

It would change lots of other handling issues curbs/corners/traction and I did try it first but lost too much grip in slow sectors, traction suffered. 

Thing is... packers come into effect only at high speeds when springs compress to the max and since there are no (handling demanding) high speed corners on this track you can run plenty of them, handling is fine and if anything u get a bit of an oversteer into that high speed over curb right hander in first sector (on throttle). Old trick from Geoff's GP series, used it all the time. 

High rear packer also ensures rear ride height always stays higher then front, which is sometimes very hard to achieve at speeds over 230km/h at which geometry of the car changes (on a reasonably high rear wing, of course) and starts to "gulp" air with front splitter.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Thing is... packers come into effect only at high speeds when springs compress to the max

Springs also compress heavily over curbs and bumps - the last thing you need when driving over a bump is the suspension smacking into the packers (or bump stops if there simply isn't enough travel).

[Mike Hammer]

Hello.

I just recently installed GTR2, after having owned it for maybe four months or so (hey I never said I was the quickest guy  ) and did a "few" laps, 40 or so, around Dubai today.

A few questions, if I may?

Can I join you in tomorrows race or should I have been here from the beginning of the season?

If I can join in, can I choose any car, from the pack, of course? Though the cars in the pack looked to be all team cars, so I prolly should take a standard paintjob version? Do I have to set ballast myself, or is that from the server?

I did 2.03's at best but more realistic race time would be 2.04's in the 360 Modena, and 1.54's at best in the 550. So it seems I'm a good deal behind the other times posted here. Maybe a good nights sleep would earn me some time  Also not continuously going over the inner curb might do some good as well.



Oh yeah, what's the GTL-Alfa of GTR2    (I.e. sweet sweet handling, not the most power, but suitable oversteer when you want it)

360Mod seemed rock stable, 550 got lively after 15 laps or so. Felt like very nice cars, though the only ones I've tried so far.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Can I join you in tomorrows race or should I have been here from the beginning of the season?

<Starsky>Do it!</Hutch>

If I can join in, can I choose any car, from the pack, of course? Though the cars in the pack looked to be all team cars, so I prolly should take a standard paintjob version? Do I have to set ballast myself, or is that from the server?

The pack includes ballasted versions of all the standard cars. Performance balancing ballast is part of the pack; driver ballast has to be done server side, but if you want some you have to set it using the link to your Driver Details above.

[Mike Hammer]

Great, I'll be racing on sunday then   

Probably in the 360Modena.

[Paul968]

Hi Mike
   If you want a sweet handler with oversteer on demand then the 360 is probably not the best choice. It tends to let go rather suddenly and being mid-engined it doesn't like power oversteer that much. Cars like the TVR, Morgan and Vertigo are probably more up your street, although the Vertigo needs to be driven really hard to keep up because of its lower power. Personally I like the 911 best as it is quite forgiving while feeling very 'alive' (once you get the technique right to handle the engine at the back).

I doubt you'll need to worry about ballast until you get up to speed - only a few of us use it anyway.

Good Luck on Sunday

Paul

[Zacari]

Thing is... packers come into effect only at high speeds when springs compress to the max

Springs also compress heavily over curbs and bumps - the last thing you need when driving over a bump is the suspension smacking into the packers (or bump stops if there simply isn't enough travel).

The nose would hit the tarmac/kerb before the suspension bottomed out on the bump stops.  Bottoming out the suspension on packers is definitely preferable to munching the ground with the undertray repeatidly!  There are other ways around it, but sometimes it's better to use packers than raise the car/stiffen the suspension a lot.  I'm willing to bet if I'd used packers on the 360 it'd have helped the issues I was having under braking.

[Jure]

erm... turns out all default skin 911 RSs are Dunlops.

so... may I use one of custom ones? Kerbcrawlers one, to be precise   

[Jeffrey]

erm... turns out all default skin 911 RSs are Dunlops.

so... may I use one of custom ones? Kerbcrawlers one, to be precise   

The nr 59 JP racing has Michelins 

[Mike Hammer]

Okay so I did some more practice, in the Morgan this time.

Anybody ever use soft/medium slicks? Or always a matching pair?

I have a couple setups, one with lots of wing, 8 rear wing I think, on soft/soft and it's very stable, a tad understeery even. I have another with 5 rear wing on med/med tires, and it's a lot more slippery but manageable as long as I can keep concentration. Also a little faster it seems. I tried soft front, medium rear, and while it helps with control in some turns, it becomes pretty easy to get overexcited about a little slide and loose it. Seems slides don't belong much in GTR2, have to leave them in GTL I guess. Or just get a lot better at this game 


Anyone have a Morgan setup they'd be willing to share?


Nonsense ramblings follow:

After what feels like a lot of laps, I just have to say that ghost car is......*unforgiving*. I guess I got pretty tired, but he somehow *always* gets a better exit, and even if he doesn't that **** gets me on the brakes instead. Every time.

It's pretty funny sitting there cursing at yourself, wondering how "previous me" managed that smooth line when all I can do now is skid around. I suppose my upbringing prevents me from mentally cursing fellow drivers in a real race, but no such restrictions apply to myself, so I really started to hate the ghost car after a while, well hate myself I guess   

It's a new experience this, anger towards fellow racers, as long as they're all me and nobody else is involved 

Yeah, I've calmed down already, all is well now. See you at the race.