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August 09, 2005, 09:23:44 PM +0100 - Donington Park (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 1 N-GT
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Matjaz Plotajs
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 4 +0.848
95.880mph
1 32:09.795
92.454mph
20 1:33.714
95.193mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 2 +0.601
96.135mph
2 +10.050
91.975mph
20 1:33.466
95.445mph
Pirelli  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 1 1:32.194
96.762mph
3 +12.287
91.869mph
20 1:33.213
95.704mph
Pirelli  
Mike Wrightson
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 3 +0.653
96.082mph
4 +30.645
91.009mph
20 1:33.604
95.305mph
Dunlop  
picnic
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +2.446
94.261mph
5 +43.133
90.433mph
20 1:34.801
94.101mph
Dunlop  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +1.912
94.796mph
6 +55.152
89.885mph
20 1:36.006
92.920mph
Dunlop  
[ZiP]Tyf
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Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 6 +1.146
95.574mph
7 +58.109
89.752mph
20 1:33.804
95.101mph
Pirelli  
popabawa
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Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 14 +3.522
93.202mph
8 +1:09.107
89.258mph
20 1:35.887
93.035mph
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 12 +2.558
94.150mph
9 +1:12.183
89.121mph
20 1:35.434
93.477mph
Dunlop  
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +2.467
94.240mph
10 +1:14.569
89.015mph
20 1:35.286
93.622mph
Dunlop  
rufbtr
 Speedworx
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 13 +2.755
93.955mph
11 +1:26.735
88.478mph
20 1:35.747
93.171mph
Pirelli  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 9 +2.359
94.348mph
12 (+3) +1:33.504
88.182mph
20 1:35.430
93.481mph
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fozzmeister
 The Crafty Butchers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 15 +3.653
93.074mph
13 (+4) +1:37.480
88.009mph
20 1:35.174
93.732mph
Dunlop  
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Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +4.733
92.037mph
14 +2L
80.844mph
18 1:37.102
91.871mph
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Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
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Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 19 +5.800
91.035mph
15 +1:12.160
78.010mph
18 1:38.310
90.742mph
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silver53
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Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 21 +6.839
90.080mph
16 +3L
77.127mph
17 1:38.334
90.720mph
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Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 20 +6.487
90.401mph
17 +29.835
75.974mph
17 1:37.734
91.277mph
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mo
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 8 +2.346
94.361mph
18 +6L 14 1:34.381
94.520mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 5 +1.062
95.660mph
19 +9L 11 1:32.884
96.043mph
unknown
Pirelli  
TinMan
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 17 +4.701
92.068mph
20 +14L 6 1:38.789
90.302mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Wilier
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Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 16 +3.689
93.039mph
21 +16L 4 1:37.411
91.580mph
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Dunlop  

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All drivers are reminded that during qualifying, you must be extra cautious as you exit the pits; you cannot set a good time on your outlap, but you can certainly ruin the hotlaps of others. If I receive repeated reports of particular drivers causing problems I will penalise them.


Server replay time: 248s

On the first flying, at what are now called the Fogarty Esses, Fozz brakes too late with cold tyres and brakes, slides up the inside of Popabawa, and spins off. Luckily Pops is unaffected.

Because this is the first racing lap, this would normally be a 3 place penalty. However, because this was cock up rather than conspiracy, and because Fozz had the sense to hold his hand up and submit a very honest incident report, I'm reducing it to 2.


Server replay time: 270s

PaulW is following Mo into Goddards, with Mo on the left and PaulW on the right. Mo began moving over to the right to take the normal line into the corner, so Paul started to move left so he wasn't right behind him. Unfortunately they reach the braking zone just as their paths cross and with no room to spare Paul tags the back of Mo, spinning him off.

This is quite an unusual situation and not at all like a classic rear ender. As much as anything it serves to highlight the importance of taking a clear line and not changing it or driving down the middle of the track in a braking zone. In this instance it's exacerbated by the right hand kink just before Goddards.

Neither driver did anything outrageous, so it's essentially a racing incident.

  • moadvice — choose a definite line before reaching a braking zone


Server replay time: 1409s

Popabawa is some way behind Don1 (wobble) as they head towads the Foggy Esses. Pops brakes as normal and moves slightly left in case Don has broken early, but Don1 turns in too early (perhaps thinking to defend the line? we may never know as he didn't submit a report), and has to slow dramatically to make the corner, whereupon Pops runs into the back of him.

Pops does allow Don to rejoin ahead, and since Don wasn't upset enough to submit an incident report I'm going to let it go with just a caution.

  • popabawacaution — contact with Don1


Server replay time: 1839s

Having gone off unaided under braking, Don1 (wobble) rejoins far too eagerly at Goddards and drives straight onto the racing line without stopping to look, and into Fozz.

  • Don (Don1)penalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost

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« on: August 03, 2005, 07:27:19 PM +0100 »

NGT Sprint Cup - Season 1, Round 5 at Donington Park

Date: Tuesday 9th August

Practice 1: 8:45pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 9:00pm (15 mins)
Warmup: 9:15pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:17pm (30 mins)

Cars allowed: Any NGT car or 911 Bi-Turbo or Mosler or Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2005, 11:30:58 PM +0100 »

oooooooh F360 time again !!! Cheesy:D
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2005, 09:36:13 AM +0100 »

Blimey, can't believe we'll have done half the season after tonight, doesn't time fly when you're having fun!  Grin

Donington, run-off capital of the GTR-world, completely the opposite of Brno last week, tight, twisty and bumpy  Shocked

Got my times down a LOT over the last week here (best of 1:34.3xx) but racing at Doni is a different kettle of proverbials to hotlapping!

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2005, 04:31:44 PM +0100 »

Will try and make it as well as reserve ( /me looks at Dave with puppydog eyes Wink). Just a quick question though... I've just checked Brno N-GT race and there were no other cars than 360 (most), gt3 and ONE Bi-T!? Is everyone going to be driving those again today? If so, hopefully I can get in with either a Morgan, Vertigo or even Mosler, lol! Cheesy

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2005, 04:42:07 PM +0100 »

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Just a quick question though... I've just checked Brno N-GT race and there were no other cars than 360 (most), gt3 and ONE Bi-T!? Is everyone going to be driving those again today?

I'd guess so Tyf, almost everyone seems to have plumped for the 360 over the last few races.

Gotta ask though - why aren't you taking your 'boat' out at Doni tonight?

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2005, 06:02:43 PM +0100 »

See you all there. Donnington is one of those awkward tracks for me- I like it a lot but nailing the ideal line is so important for a fast lap and I'm a bit inconsistent with doing it it seems. The first corner a real case in point. I think my favourite corner in the whole game though is the old hairpin as it feels damn sexy when you get it right. I'm lapping 1:35 on a good lap and 1:34 on a great lap, so will probably do my usual terrible qually performance and manage a 1:36 Wink
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 06:15:26 PM +0100 »

Hope to be there with mosler but domestic duties may mean I miss it.bye for now gerald
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 06:18:59 PM +0100 »

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Just a quick question though... I've just checked Brno N-GT race and there were no other cars than 360 (most), gt3 and ONE Bi-T!? Is everyone going to be driving those again today?

I'd guess so Tyf, almost everyone seems to have plumped for the 360 over the last few races.

Gotta ask though - why aren't you taking your 'boat' out at Doni tonight?

Pops

Well, I was thinking of a change before and seeing I got about 6 better times on Donny Wink with all the other N-GT cars kinda helped too Smiley. Saying this too, I'll be there with 'Ze Boat' !

Wish me luck! Wink Cheesy loool!

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 10:14:36 PM +0100 »

Holy crap - what a race that was!

Dreadful qualifying period - back in 14th, 1 decent lap which I screwed up by spinning.

Thought I was in for a tough time with Fozz right behind me but after a little tap going into the chicane, Fozz span, I didn't. I think I braked a bit early on cold tyres / brakes which might have contributed to that.

Chased Aangram for a while 'til we caught PaulW, who did the gentlemanly thing to let his team-mate through (by spinning  Grin). Had Fozz on my tail again, was mighty relieved to see him overcook a corner and disappear. Aangram was next to go, spinning at the chicane, which left me in 10th, behind Don1.

Don1 drove brilliantly, we were about 1s apart for about 15mins, did all I could to close and put some pressure on but he kept responding. I think as the tyre wear built, we both made some mistakes, managed some contact, let PaulW through, who then did the gentlemanly thing again to let me though!

Chased down Don1 again, with about 3 laps to go we caught some backmarkers, somewhere in the melee, Don1 span and finally I was through for 8th.

Don, you really deserved that 8th with some great defensive driving, I'd have caved in immediately  Cheesy, gutted for you m8  :'(.

Good to see both the NGT Legends in the top 10  Grin

God I'm knackered, my first race, well, actually racing all the way!

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 10:15:19 PM +0100 »

Woah, quite a race.

Qualifying 2nd was quite a shock as I really don't like the NGTs round Donington. Like Donington just not particularly in the NGTs there's a distinct lack of grip. Anyway knew it would be a tough race, but was hopful for a podium. PaulH led off the formation lap but lost control weaving warming his tyres so I had to take over the formation lap lead which was very odd with PaulH managing to just hang on to 2nd pos on the formation lap.

Into the race, was pretty sure Matjaz was going to be faster than anyone and sure enough he didn't take long to take the 3 ahead of him and into the lead. I thought he would pull away then but I managed to keep with him for about half distance and then I just don't know what happened. My car just lost a lot of grip, the tyre temps were fine, there was nothing wrong with the car but the car suddenly felt real lacking in grip. This helped Paul close right up with me and he looked like he was pushing very hard. I somehow fended him off only twice actually having to fend off overtaking attempts (from memory). Eventually Paul made a mistake on the s/f straight as we were side by side after doing a sandwich job on one of the back markers (he must have wondered where to go and just closed his eyes as Paul and I went either side  Grin), paul just touched the grass and he lost about 3 seconds and that was that. Just needed to be tidy on the last 2 laps and I took 2nd, very pleased.

Excellent race Paul, well done on managing to follow so close to my arse for so long, great stuff. I have been taking a big effort to stay relaxed whilst racing as i have been holding the wheel way to hard and it's killing my wrists. The best drivers always nice and loose on the wheel so I tried to take a leaf out of their book and it worked quite well as I stayed fairly relaxed even with Paul right behind me for practically 30 mins.

Donington is a really hard place to overtake, there aren't any safe overtaking places unless the other person makes a mistake.

Well done to Matjaz once again for the win, becoming too regular  Tongue Wink

Also well done to Team Shark drivers, 5th for Picnic, excellent points finish nice one and Aagramn managed a very respectable 9th? in the Morgan (nice car).


Finally, I must again apologise to Jamera. Near the end of qualifying I was very close to him about to go past on the s/f straight and into the last hairpin i clipped THAT bump really badly and i just lost it and slammed into the side of Jamera's 911. Very embaressing I should have just backed off and not been so close as I was not really on a full flyer.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2005, 10:16:54 PM +0100 »

What a right arse of a race.

Some loon setup my car (me). Right undrivable joke in qualiify, right oversearing b*s*a*d. still I can see how it'd be quick, but after joining, and ending up at some ausie race, joining and entereing phantom ukgtr (where everyone is in but nobody other than me on track), joining and entering ausie race again. I didn't have time to re-learn the car (no practice what-so-ever) so started something around 14th ish.

In the race I had the same oversteary monster (well it was slightly less) but it took me a good 20 minutes to figure it out. and once i'd done that I was quite depressed with my position and was quite careless.

Shame I think I would have done well, Did well in the GT fun race a bit ago on Smoothy's server. (it's easy to say now I know)
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 10:18:31 PM +0100 »

Well there you go - you just cant account for the human being! There I was albeit 3rd from the back of the grid, feeling quite confident nevertheless, after all the practice Ive been putting in (thanks to Paul and Mark for their help), the form lap is moving away and WHACK, I get punted off the track from behind. Get a puncture and have to try and ease it all the way round into the pits to get a new tyre put on. In my haste to do this (all the cars were streaming past the pits now on lap 1) I forgot to change the fuel input, and ended up with 60 laps worth of fuel in the tank, lol! It was like driving a Sherman (I think, cos I`ve never actually driven a tank!)

However managed to stay pretty consistent throughout the race, with 3 stupid spins! Hope I managed to let most of the leaders thru ok.

Was great fun though, am really enjoying the experience.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 10:22:48 PM +0100 »

Negative stuff first- had another qually lap ruined with someone exiting the pits without looking to see if its clear- just drove straight onto the track and myself and the car behind were totalled  Angry Very annoying and very avoidable Angry

On the positive side, that was a really eventful and enjoyable race. Pops, Don1, Aaagramn and I seemed to match each other for pace really well but still managed to swap places several times through each others mistakes. I was a little annoyed to find myself up in 8th but then spin clipping a curb I've hit fine many times. My rear tyres were then overheated and I had problems with the rear sliding out in each corner after that. I'd started a frustrating cycle of overheating the tyres and driving badly as the cooled before making a naff mistake and spinning them back up to 120 degrees again Sad

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I'm not sure what happened at the last corner of the first lap Mo- we were close at the exit of the turn before and so I went over to the far left of the last corner to give you room to brake and yet it looked like I tapped you? Will have to check the replay but sorry if I did  Sad

It's a shame the Sprints dont have divisions- as an average driver I'm automatically about 8 places down with the super fast drivers the sprints attract whereas there would be a brilliantly competitive league with an 'anyone can win it' aspect with the middle chunk of the drivers tonight. 6th place through to 11th in qualification tonight was separated by 0.2 of a second!
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 10:23:36 PM +0100 »

Wow it dosn't get any easier, but waht good fun.

Qualified in 7th with a new NGT PB, not very quick by most standards but pleasing for me.

Settled into the race running a steady 8th, nice comfatable pace.  Had some good battles along the way and only made a couple of minor mistakes, no spins which is a rareity for me at Doni.
Somewhere along the way one of the leaders vanished so up to 7th, happy with that.  Then with 1.5 laps to go ZIP had a spin which let me thro into 6th, bad luck fella, there was no way I was going to close that 4 secs on you.

So finished in 6th one place up on my qual position, which was a bonus.
Grats to the podium, far to quick for me.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2005, 10:25:59 PM +0100 »

First replay is up, help yourselves Smiley

I think they must have resurfaced the track between some offline practice and the race  Shocked Could just about do 1.37's is practice, so I decided to forgo a qualifying thrash and go with the race setup. Ran about 7 laps in practice 1 in the 35's and then several 34's in qually. Only got me 10th on the grid, but it was all very tight. With 30 secs of qual left 6-11 were seperated by just 0.101 seconds!

The race was good, I could consistently lap in the 35's and did a 34.8 for good measure. Didn't spin or fall off and finished 5th. Congratulations to the top 3, stirling effort.
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