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  • S15D1 Zandvoort: June 01, 2008
June 01, 2008, 09:59:36 PM +0100 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 15 (2008) Division 1
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Hristo Itchov
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:23.370
112.464mph
1 50:10.671
109.000mph
35 1:23.535
112.241mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 6 +2.597
109.066mph
2 +1:12.379
106.441mph
35 1:25.700
109.406mph
Firestone  
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 7 +3.207
108.298mph
3 +1:16.715
106.292mph
35 1:26.822
107.992mph
Goodyear  
Brendan
 The Coopermen
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +2.450
109.253mph
4 +1:22.257
106.101mph
35 1:26.266
108.688mph
Firestone  
Kruger Enge
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +2.014
109.811mph
5 +1L
105.771mph
34 1:25.769
109.318mph
Firestone  
Glyn
 VT Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 2 +1.621
110.319mph
6 +6.107
105.557mph
34 1:25.807
109.269mph
Firestone  
Burtoner
 The Coopermen
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 10 +4.663
106.506mph
7 +57.072
103.805mph
34 1:27.917
106.647mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +3.399
108.058mph
8 +1:24.397
102.890mph
34 1:27.909
106.657mph
Goodyear  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 3 +1.991
109.840mph
9 +25L
107.751mph
10 1:25.565
109.579mph
Valve
Goodyear  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 10 +32L
98.798mph
3 1:30.884
103.165mph
Header
Firestone  
Art
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +3.646
107.751mph
11 +33L
98.786mph
2 1:30.768
103.297mph
Disco
Firestone  
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Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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Summary

A brilliant start from Neil almost enabled him to grab first place from pole sitter Hristo with Lorenzo slotting into third. Hristo proceeded to try and build a big enough lead to prevent him being leapfrogged by the slower cars whist he sat in the pits for the rather lengthy Ferrari pit stops. Hristo had a 2 second lead over second placed Neil and a 4 second lead over Lorenzo at the end of lap 1. Lorenzo was trailing Hristo by 20 seconds at the end of lap 10 before his BRM expired at Hunzerug. Unfortunately this spoilt what could have been a Grandstand finish

Hristo’s fastest lap was (to within a few hundredths of a second) 2 seconds faster than Lorenzo’s and with 15 laps remaining Hristo could have gained another 30 seconds on Lorenzo. This would have cancelled out the Ferrari’s 50 second pit stop (equivalent to the two 20 second stops actually taken) and so Hristo would probably have trailed Lorenzo by the time it takes to slow down and speed up in the pit lane by the time they crossed the line.

Despite stopping in the pits twice to chat to Enzo, Hristo secured his 5th win on the bounce, a dominant performance. EvilClive cemented his impressive showing in the top division with a season’s best performance in second place. Ken Murray tasted the champagne for the first time this season with a great drive in the BRM beating Brendan into third place.


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Lap 3 - Jan de Wyker - Artur Le Marquand and Robert Burton

Art goes too wide at Jan de Wyker, Burt is following and tries to avoid to the right, but then loses it on the grass and, unluckily, is sent over the track into Art. Art is inverted by the collision, Burt is able to continue.

Burt clipped the inside kerb at Jan de Wyker which destabilised the car somewhat so it is unclear whether he took to the grass to avoid Art or as a result of clipping the kerb. In either case both drivers were involved in their own accidents and it was sheer misfortune that they collided on the grass.

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« on: May 28, 2008, 10:25:05 PM +0100 »

Division 1 - Round 5 - Zandvoort

Round 5 of the Season 15 Div 1 championship is at Zandvoort.  The driving so far this season has been exemplary with everybody cognizant of PRO rules and careful to avoid a major lap one pile-up.  Warp can still be a factor, even in these days of high speed internet connections.  So drivers are reminded to drive accordingly, especially on lap 1 when warp is at it's most troublesome.

Don't forget, incident reports should be entered on the SRou system following the link at the bottom of the results table when it appears.  Race details below.

Div 1 Season 15 Round 5 is this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. London UK time.
Please be in VROC UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
VROC and Race passwords: see above

Server 1.ukgpl
IP address  194.105.176.22

Race date = 01-06-2008
Track = Zandvoort 1967  (Papyrus Original)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = 50 minutes (35 laps)

Password: see above
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Division 1
Single Stop Time
   
Double Stop Time
BRM
No Stop
   
N/A
Honda
8
   
N/A
Cooper
13
   
N/A
Brabham
41
   
16
Eagle
48
   
19
Ferrari
50
   
20
Lotus
67
   
29


 First Pit Window is: 28 (to go on your pit board) to 18 (to go on your pit board)
 Second Pit Window is: 26 (to go on your pit board) to 9 (to go on your pit board)
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 12:38:49 PM +0100 »

Those are some meaty pit stop times Shocked

Whos going to take the Lotus then? Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 12:45:56 PM +0100 »

Those are some meaty pit stop times Shocked

Whos going to take the Lotus then? Cheesy
Maybe someone with a bladder problem  laugh
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 03:50:13 PM +0100 »

Those are some meaty pit stop times Shocked

Whos going to take the Lotus then? Cheesy
Maybe someone with a bladder problem  laugh

LOL  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 07:59:57 PM +0100 »

Those are some meaty pit stop times Shocked

Whos going to take the Lotus then? Cheesy
Maybe someone with a bladder problem  laugh

LOL  Grin





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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 12:48:05 AM +0100 »

Those are some meaty pit stop times Shocked

Whos going to take the Lotus then? Cheesy
Sure are, but they're all calculated from a simple formula based on WR times. As published in the Pit Stop Calculator.

I've added an extra facility in the calculator for Season 15.  It's the "Race Pace Adjustment".  If you click the Zanvoort tab enter 1.005 in cell E11 (which effectively increases the Lotus WR time by 0.5%) and then press the "Calculate Pit Stop Times" button, the Lotus pit stop time goes down from 67 to 53 seconds.  This just shows how sensitive the pit stop times are to changes in WR times.

I wasn't intending to change the way the pit stops are calculated mid season (i.e. fiddling around with the "Race Pace Adjustment" - do we get more "Hot Lappers" posting WRs in the Lotus?) but then I didn't expect to get a near Cooper spec race at Monaco.  Has nobody got the balls to take the Lotus?  surrender
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 12:08:02 PM +0100 »

Lotus ? Monaco ?  Fine if you can stick it on pole otherwise you run the risk of getting  stuffed behind the Cooper que and all that extra HP is useless .

It would take a very brave man (which rules me out)

IMO of coarse  Grin







   
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 01:22:44 PM +0100 »

hmmm!??? take the Lotus......with a pit stop of over 60 secs and only 35 laps it doesn't take much to work out that I have to be about 2secs a lap quicker than everybody else to have a chance of winning!!!

So the question is, can I lap the Lotus 2 secs faster than Lorenzo and Hristo in a Cooper/Brm!!! ?

Doesn't take long to work that one out does it!!!  LOL Undecided lap times of 1:22 in a lotus would be just about perfect!!!
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2008, 11:32:05 PM +0100 »

hmmm!??? take the Lotus......with a pit stop of over 60 secs and only 35 laps it doesn't take much to work out that I have to be about 2secs a lap quicker than everybody else to have a chance of winning!!!

So the question is, can I lap the Lotus 2 secs faster than Lorenzo and Hristo in a Cooper/Brm!!! ?

Doesn't take long to work that one out does it!!!  LOL Undecided lap times of 1:22 in a lotus would be just about perfect!!!

Yes, but you will come to the same conclusion whichever car you choose. If we all take Coopers or BRM's we will just be behind Hristo and Lorenzo for the whole race. At least if you take the Lotus you may run up front or even in the lead for at least some of the race! Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 10:26:11 AM +0100 »

If only!!  lol
The problem that I have Ken is that none of my pb's in any chassis would give me enough advantage to warrant taking the pitstop of the faster cars. I just would not gain enough time to cancel out the stop. I tried that in the last Master's race when I took the Eagle...it did not work for me.
Which I think, is the same issue for most drivers who look at a 60 sec pit stop and know that they will not be 2 secs or more a lap faster,each and every lap,  than they would in say the Cooper. Therefore simple maths dictates that the best option is the Cooper or BRM with no stop and hope for a couple of retirements up ahead.
I know this returns to the insolvable nutmeg of the pit stop calculations, and I have no wish to ressurect that argument. But, it is interesting that even those aliens with the ability to lap a Lotus at world record pace and take advantage of the faster car, still take the BRM or Cooper. Surely if Hristo and Lorenzo both took the faster chassis the competition between them would still be as intense...just quicker? and they would take the same podium spots?
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 12:15:59 PM +0100 »

In my case I am sure it matters not a jot which chassis I use .

Long ago I reached the Terminal Velocity Threshold "TVTmax"  above which my brain will cease to function and my limbs become frozen and disconnected from the nerve center.
The result is that any chassis will get me around a given track at more or less the same leisurely pace, But any attempt to increase lap speeds  (lower lap time ) will result in my arms and elbows flailing about wildly like an octopus on steroids and both legs fighting each other as I slowly dissapear under the table trying to reach the gas and brake pedal in a vain attempt to control my progress around the track.

The above does not of coarse apply to those circuits which consist of one long straight e.g. Spa or Monza where driver skill is at a minimum and straight line speed is God.

Its really down to selecting the most comfortable armchair to race in  Grin

         
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 01:30:27 PM +0100 »

If only!!  lol
The problem that I have Ken is that none of my pb's in any chassis would give me enough advantage to warrant taking the pitstop of the faster cars. I just would not gain enough time to cancel out the stop. I tried that in the last Master's race when I took the Eagle...it did not work for me.
Which I think, is the same issue for most drivers who look at a 60 sec pit stop and know that they will not be 2 secs or more a lap faster,each and every lap,  than they would in say the Cooper. Therefore simple maths dictates that the best option is the Cooper or BRM with no stop and hope for a couple of retirements up ahead.
I know this returns to the insolvable nutmeg of the pit stop calculations, and I have no wish to ressurect that argument. But, it is interesting that even those aliens with the ability to lap a Lotus at world record pace and take advantage of the faster car, still take the BRM or Cooper. Surely if Hristo and Lorenzo both took the faster chassis the competition between them would still be as intense...just quicker? and they would take the same podium spots?

Ah, but initially you were saying you couldn't lap 2 secs faster than Hristo or Lorenzo in Coopers/BRM's, now you are saying you can't lap faster than yourself in a Cooper/BRM. So yes you might think the slower car is the better choice, however there are other aspects to consider. There maybe slightly more chance of being involved in an incident if you are back in the pack and the possibility of being slowed by a driver in a faster car, whereas you could have the track to yourself if you took the Lotus and ran at the front. But as Bernie has pointed out, they are long races and it is a good to drive a car you are comfortable in.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 09:55:50 PM +0100 »

Well got into praccy a tad late but still managed a PB in the Cooper so was happy with 9th.  Smiley

Got a decent start and had Mr Darwin in my sights on a few occasions. He made that car pretty wide so good job on the defense. I was wondering why I was a bit quicker than him in a few places then realised that I still had Praccy fuel on even though I had fuelled it and change the race set up to 35 laps.  Shocked Angry

Well I thought I would just pit lots of times. lol I came into a bend a tad too fast and went to rejoin off the racing line when all of a sudden I was on my roof. Sad I watched the replay and to be honest it was definately a racing incident as Burt lost control and he came skidding into me. To be honest there was no way Burt was at fault so don't be worrying m8. Smiley

Onto Nurby.  Roll Eyes Not my fave track at all.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2008, 11:54:11 PM +0100 »

Took the BRM mainly because it was one of the few remaining Monster times I needed to get negative. Did that in qually after about half a dozen laps and then promptly forgot how to drive the beast and just got slower and slower! I still thought I had a chance of racing the Coopers because of the lack of any stop.

And so it transpired. I managed to leapfrog them all as they stopped and then they queued up behind me!!

Because it has a far turn of speed I could keep the tank ahead down the s/f and then hold them off through the twisties and one by one they all went making sandcastles in the dunes as they became frustrated at the moving chicane in front of them.

So I was running 2nd and on my last lap, or so I thought! I eased right up to ensure a finish and Clive was now back on my tail but I only had to get it over the line. But what's this no chequered flag and prib still says 1 lap. Bugger. Carried on with Clive now all over my gearbox. Marshals waving flags at the hairpin, they think it's all over, it is now. Lost concentration and banged in to the bales. Clive through and 2nd place gone. Oh well, still a podium, but a little frustrated with myself to say the least.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 12:01:03 AM +0100 »

The usual medeocre performance from me ( at least I'm consistant) My only problem (apart from staying awake for 35 laps ) was GPL wait , I pressed the P in key and nothing,  made my scheduled stop,  pressed the Go button ......... and ,   ............Nothing ....... zilch ........ nowt !  in fact F'all happened so there I was , sat in me car trying to count the seconds but can't for the life of me remember how long the Brabby pit stop time should be , durr ! stupid or what ? After an age I re join the track and resume "racing" as normal and waiting for the inevitable "alien attack" so I can get out the way promptly.

Was a bit sick after the race to find my Pit Crew had taken nearly  2 minutes to change 4 tyres, wipe my visor and fill her up. No bonus money for that shower this W/E , in fact if they dont get there ass in gear for Nurbs they will all be for the flugplatz  Angry

Rumour has it they couldnt get the wheelnuts done up for laughing  Smiley

      
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