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  • S15D1 Zandvoort: June 01, 2008
June 01, 2008, 09:59:36 PM +0100 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 15 (2008) Division 1
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Hristo Itchov
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:23.370
112.464mph
1 50:10.671
109.000mph
35 1:23.535
112.241mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 6 +2.597
109.066mph
2 +1:12.379
106.441mph
35 1:25.700
109.406mph
Firestone  
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 7 +3.207
108.298mph
3 +1:16.715
106.292mph
35 1:26.822
107.992mph
Goodyear  
Brendan
 The Coopermen
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +2.450
109.253mph
4 +1:22.257
106.101mph
35 1:26.266
108.688mph
Firestone  
Kruger Enge
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +2.014
109.811mph
5 +1L
105.771mph
34 1:25.769
109.318mph
Firestone  
Glyn
 VT Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 2 +1.621
110.319mph
6 +6.107
105.557mph
34 1:25.807
109.269mph
Firestone  
Burtoner
 The Coopermen
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 10 +4.663
106.506mph
7 +57.072
103.805mph
34 1:27.917
106.647mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +3.399
108.058mph
8 +1:24.397
102.890mph
34 1:27.909
106.657mph
Goodyear  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 3 +1.991
109.840mph
9 +25L
107.751mph
10 1:25.565
109.579mph
Valve
Goodyear  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 10 +32L
98.798mph
3 1:30.884
103.165mph
Header
Firestone  
Art
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +3.646
107.751mph
11 +33L
98.786mph
2 1:30.768
103.297mph
Disco
Firestone  
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Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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Summary

A brilliant start from Neil almost enabled him to grab first place from pole sitter Hristo with Lorenzo slotting into third. Hristo proceeded to try and build a big enough lead to prevent him being leapfrogged by the slower cars whist he sat in the pits for the rather lengthy Ferrari pit stops. Hristo had a 2 second lead over second placed Neil and a 4 second lead over Lorenzo at the end of lap 1. Lorenzo was trailing Hristo by 20 seconds at the end of lap 10 before his BRM expired at Hunzerug. Unfortunately this spoilt what could have been a Grandstand finish

Hristo’s fastest lap was (to within a few hundredths of a second) 2 seconds faster than Lorenzo’s and with 15 laps remaining Hristo could have gained another 30 seconds on Lorenzo. This would have cancelled out the Ferrari’s 50 second pit stop (equivalent to the two 20 second stops actually taken) and so Hristo would probably have trailed Lorenzo by the time it takes to slow down and speed up in the pit lane by the time they crossed the line.

Despite stopping in the pits twice to chat to Enzo, Hristo secured his 5th win on the bounce, a dominant performance. EvilClive cemented his impressive showing in the top division with a season’s best performance in second place. Ken Murray tasted the champagne for the first time this season with a great drive in the BRM beating Brendan into third place.


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Lap 3 - Jan de Wyker - Artur Le Marquand and Robert Burton

Art goes too wide at Jan de Wyker, Burt is following and tries to avoid to the right, but then loses it on the grass and, unluckily, is sent over the track into Art. Art is inverted by the collision, Burt is able to continue.

Burt clipped the inside kerb at Jan de Wyker which destabilised the car somewhat so it is unclear whether he took to the grass to avoid Art or as a result of clipping the kerb. In either case both drivers were involved in their own accidents and it was sheer misfortune that they collided on the grass.

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 09:05:12 AM +0100 »

The usual medeocre performance from me ( at least I'm consistant) My only problem (apart from staying awake for 35 laps ) was GPL wait , I pressed the P in key and nothing,  made my scheduled stop,  pressed the Go button ......... and ,   ............Nothing ....... zilch ........ nowt !  in fact F'all happened so there I was , sat in me car trying to count the seconds but can't for the life of me remember how long the Brabby pit stop time should be , durr ! stupid or what ? After an age I re join the track and resume "racing" as normal and waiting for the inevitable "alien attack" so I can get out the way promptly.

Was a bit sick after the race to find my Pit Crew had taken nearly  2 minutes to change 4 tyres, wipe my visor and fill her up. No bonus money for that shower this W/E , in fact if they dont get there ass in gear for Nurbs they will all be for the flugplatz  Angry

Rumour has it they couldnt get the wheelnuts done up for laughing  Smiley

     

ROFLMFAO  Grin That's my trick Bernie. Great write up.  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 10:18:52 AM +0100 »

That was a very intense race. Moreover, it was very hot and humid last night and I struggled with the sweat which kept pouring over my eyes so I used a very short trying to wipe it away, nearly every lap.

Had a good lap in quali, nearly a PB and good for 4th on the grid. Managed to hold off charging Brendan in first couple of corners - don't know exactly what happened but Brendan was soon replaced by Clive who was definitelly quicker than both of us in the Cooper. He gave me sweats until he made a pitstop almost at the end of pit window and I had another 2-3 laps. Managed to complete my stop and pit out ahead of Clive with couple of seconds to spare but Ken made a very good job with his BRM and flew by me while I was pitting out.

I set off chasing Ken who was slower through the twisty bits but had sufficient power to get away on the straight. I was going to settle for third and wait for a mistake, if any, but Clive behind had other ideas so I was pushed into pushing Ken. Ken went once to narrow into the hairpin and I went for a wide line to avoid him and Clive sneaked on the inside. Clive after made a mistake on last corner and I was through again.

Again, following Ken but he didn't let him self being rattled. I made a small mistake at one point, touched grass with the wheels and spun letting Clive through again.

Then pushed too hard for no aparent reason and on lap before last, engine started spluttering and I was about to limp to the end of race trying to save whatever positions I can. It didn't look good as I had another lap to do with virtually no power and then the savior arrived in the form of Ferrari shod alien who lapped me meters before the finish line and bringing the much needed chequered flag otherwise, I would be losing more positions than just one I lost to Brendan. Thx Hristo Wink

Grats to Hristo and hats off for the experiment with pitstops. Grats to Ken and Clive, Ken really had a good race and deserved that second position so it was unfortunate to have lost it that way. Clive was by far the fastest Cooper and he too had a really good race and a good pace. Grats to both of you.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2008, 11:33:15 AM +0100 »

I too had quite an intense race and indeed the atmosphere here was also rather humid.  I wasn't helped by forgetting to set-up a desk fan as I usually do....... sweatdrop

Anyway, I arrived late to qually (nearly didn't show at all after a few RL problems) with the intention of setting a reasonable time and then taking it easy for the race.  As it was I ended up 5th on the grid.

Made a decent start and followed Kruger for the first few corners, I was mindful of any close contact as my last time at Zandy, a warp ruined Ken's race, as a result I got a bit of a tank-slapper on which allowed Clive through.  This was just as well, as he and Kruger were both much faster than I.

Tried to keep in touch with the pack in front, but in doing so, kept overheating my front left tyre, which sent me off line on more than one occasion and cost me quite a bit of time.  I pitted early to try and cool them down a bit and set off again in 6th I think.

I tried to modify my driving style to manage the tyres a bit better, but they didn't really come on song until about 10 laps from the end.  At this point, the lure of the sand dunes was quite overwhelming, not just for me but also Neil and Clive.  We swapped places a few times and I was up to 3rd I think until a mistake on the back straight allowed Clive to close right up and scare me off into the dunes again.

Luckily for me (but not for him), Kruger's engine expired on the penultimate lap and I was up to 4th.  I also blew my engine on the last lap, but had enough momentum to coast silently across the finish line.

Grats to H on another fine win and also to Clive on his great Cooper pace and Ken's shrewd car choice.

See you at Nurby.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 03:19:15 PM +0100 »

After 35 laps in the Honda, I've concluded 2 things:

1) Up until lap 5 you drive the car.
2) After lap 5, the car drives you.

I knew the only way anyone stood a chance at beating Histro here was for me to hold him up at the start. Things looked more promissing as I got a better start but not good enough to get ahead going into the first corner. Lorenzo was then on my tail until I made a silly mistake clipping the grass while braking for turn 1. Around this point the Honda was really driving me, and to put it blunty I spun to many times, annoyingly quite near the end after Kruger had a moment and I made up some places.

Never mind, had some good battles with a few cars which was fun.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 03:34:00 PM +0100 »

and also to Clive on his great Cooper pace
I hope you DO understand it is the time for two of us to get worried with the constant improving c-l-i-v-e Wink

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 04:00:55 PM +0100 »

Hmm, I too have noticed his turn of speed recently.  I wonder if he's been abducted by aliens.......... probed Shocked.......... and then returned to civilisation (if that's what you can call life in Bristol Grin)

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2008, 06:48:17 PM +0100 »

Well, what a race!!
I finally gave in and tried the Cooper, as my pit crew ( the ever present Mr amd Mrs Glutbucket ) refused to set up a Honda that would not melt tyres at sub 1:28 pace.
So we dragged a second hand Cooper into our garden shed and set about converting it to our needs.
Mrs Glutbucket is a large woman and absolutely useless at mekaniking, but she is quite useful as a work bench. The Cooper will sit nicely upon her rather large abdomen without damaging anything delicate ( on the car, not Mrs Glutbucket!).

As a team ...I use that phrase as a loose description of my association with the glutbuckets.....we had never played with the Cooper in anger before, but it does seem to be popular amongst the massed ranks of sub-alien drivers. So late on Friday evening testing began under cover of darkness, after all, if you have to look at Mrs Agnes Glutbucket's red and puffy face and listen to her wheezing whilst the car is balanced upon her, it is as well to be in the dark.

Initial setups and runs proved less than succesful with times similar to the Honda and only marginally less tyre heat. However when I promised Arnold G with a weekend away with Agnes if he found a solution and a whole week if he didn't, things began to improve.
 
Radical changes to gearing and some deft tweaks to roll bar settings, (caused by the entangling of Agnes's girdle whilst lowering the car to the tarmac)  along with a whole different approach to driving compared with the Honda ( I tried removing the blindfold!!) showed that maybe this Cooper could be made to handle.

By Sunday pm we were getting low 1:25's and some control over tyre temps, if we filled them not with compressed air, but Arnold's deoderant spray.( eau d'ear ).
Practice loomed and the Cooper was wheeled nervously out of the pits, this foray into unknown territory could be a disaster.
One quickish lap in practice put me 2nd on the grid for a while, but the usual suspects edged me down to 6th before the start. As I did not wish to have to do any defensive driving in a strange car that was not so bad, as those in front were the drivers I needed to pace myself against. Except for Hristo who had alomost succumbed to my sneaky psychological ploy in the forum and fallen into the trap of taking a fast car with looong pit stop, but not quite foolish enough to take the Lotus.

Got off the grid and held my place into T1 watching out for sneaky moves up my inside!! Roll Eyes Kruger and Brendan got into a spot of avoidance mode on the approach to T3 and Brendan was good enough to allow me to move up a place. Now I was sandwiched between two Cooper specialists..hmmmm ....so I tried to concentrate on maintaining a safe 1 sec gap to Kruger in front until tyres and deoderant warmed up and fuel and weight came down.
Brendan held station about 1 sec behind and was a constant threat in my mirrors until he had a moment somewhere and dropped back to a more respectable 3-4 secs Grin.
I had expected Kruger to pull away slowly but instead I found that the spray nozzle that Agnes had fitted into the nose of the Cooper ( you can just see the tube, in still shots of my Cooper tucked into the air intake) was indeed very effective at close quarters when I could spray some of her moisturising cream onto Krugers rear tyres. The regular little slips sideways allowed me to close very slowly but not enough to risk a pass. I still had visions of large tank like Lotus cars being exceptionally slow through some of the corners Wink.
I decided to visit the Gluts in the pits and top up with deoderant and moisturiser before I missed the window of opportunity.
The sight of Agnes without her usual layer of make-up caused me to leave the pits in blind panic, inadvertantly spilling some of the spray onto my own tyres with the result that they went red with embarrasment.
I was forced to moderate my speed and survive a couple of squeaky, buttock clenching moments for the next few laps such that when Kruger completed his stop he was almost the whole straight in front.
But the Glutbucket's had an ace up their sleeves, they had been moonlighting for BRM just to earn some money ( is the glory and kudos of working for me not enough??   ungrateful wretches!!) and had got Ken's mount in front of Kruger.
 Grin In front and just slow enough for me to catch them. Then blow me!! if when I catch them Kruger does the honourable thing and dives out of the way so that I can slip in behind Ken.
I was just planning my pass on Ken ( oh! yes I was ...oh! no you weren't...oh yes I was!!!) at Tarzan when my concentration strayed and I put a wheel on the sandy stuff entering the straight...instant Rallycross!!!! as Kruger cruised past...drat!!!

Set off after the pair of them and now had a recovering Brendan in my tracks along with a Honda behind him. Gradually got the tyre temps back to normal and then spun!!..... Brendan through!
Caught Brendan in a lap or so and did a bit of evil staring in his mirrors as we approached Tarzan.. a quick squirt from the nose cone and he was up the bank heehee. after Kruger again but he and Ken were way in front but the gap was closing again . Until Kruger parked and got out his deck chair on the sand for a snack and waved me past. Only 4 laps to go and Ken was in sight...2 laps to go and I was closing very quickly.
Dilemma time..do I settle for a safe 3rd...or is 2nd there for the taking muhahahaha.
1 lap to go and I am right on Ken's tail into Tarzan, maybe into T3 or out of T3 up the hill...where he wont expect it but where the BRM might not be so nimble. Instead, Ken sees sense and, rather than risk the Loyne's treatment, chickens out and pulls over to allow me through...probably very wise I thought, well I would wouldn't I? angel

At which point I realise I am 2nd!!!  and with Hristo in 1st spot, proving that he is still too ruddy quick to be even remotely human.

Big grats to Hristo for having the nerve to take a fast chassis and endure an enormous pitstop, next time perhaps Lorenzo will join you in the the Lotus?
Thanks to Kruger and Brendan for being the target and the threat at different parts of the race and to Ken for actually believing what was written on a pit board held out be the Glutbuckets!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2008, 07:09:03 PM +0100 »

LoL, great write up Clive, as usual  Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 10:11:11 AM +0100 »

Thanks, all, it was a rather different experience for a change and actually quite a pleasant one as the Ferrari is such a nice car to drive (compared to what I'm usually strapped into). Almost lost the lead on the start, but some late braking and wide fast line into T1 kept me ahead. The setup seemed so good that the car almost ran on its own without needing much driver input, so I just enjoyed the ride. That was until Lorenzo appeared on my pitboard and got me worried about 2x 20secs pitstops requiring huge gap to make up the difference. At the rate the gap was increasing I quickly realized that even though I'd manage to come out infront after the 1st pitstop, there was no way I could build up another 30 secs gap between lap 18 and lap 9 for the 2nd pitstop. So at that time I had already accepted 1st place as nearly impossible and just thought of bringing it home safely in 2nd. Luckily for me and unluckily for Lorenzo he retired for some unknown reason and the gap to the rest of the field was more than satisfying to lift up any worries in my mind. I made both my pitstops in such manner that would drive away any racing fan, coming to a stop very slowly and getting going again without any glimpse of revving up or wheelspin, but I could afford it, so...  angel
The thing that I learned from those long pitstops was that they really mess up the tyre temps for some reason and especially after my 2nd pitstop the car was rather odd to handle and I nearly binned it once or twice, and even though I set my fastest lap in the end, it was not what as good as what the car was really capable to deliver in case I hadn't done any pitstops. In any case, good tyre temps or not, with Lorenzo not making any mistakes he'd have surely jumped ahead at my 2nd stop, but it was a good test nontheless and driving a good car for a change had me enjoy driving more than usual. Grats to all and thanks for the kind words.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 01:02:08 PM +0100 »

Sorry I couldn't make it chaps - my Internet connection is broken at the moment (and most likely a Pipex cock-up....Plusnet here I come!!!).

Another solid result for the men of Cooper, and...what's this? Evil in a Cooper, and going fast too  Cool....hmmm.....time to sign up with the Men of Cooper old chap? Let's take the fight to the Soggys!
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2008, 04:29:40 PM +0100 »

Well done Brendan on the 4th place,great driving as usual. Smiley
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