Phil Thornton
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« on: May 28, 2008, 10:25:05 PM +0100 » |
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Division 1 - Round 5 - ZandvoortRound 5 of the Season 15 Div 1 championship is at Zandvoort. The driving so far this season has been exemplary with everybody cognizant of PRO rules and careful to avoid a major lap one pile-up. Warp can still be a factor, even in these days of high speed internet connections. So drivers are reminded to drive accordingly, especially on lap 1 when warp is at it's most troublesome. Don't forget, incident reports should be entered on the SRou system following the link at the bottom of the results table when it appears. Race details below. Div 1 Season 15 Round 5 is this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. London UK time. Please be in VROC UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m. VROC and Race passwords: see above Server 1.ukgpl IP address 194.105.176.22 Race date = 01-06-2008 Track = Zandvoort 1967 (Papyrus Original) Variant = 67F1 Damage Model = PRO Qually time = 30 minutes. Race length = 50 minutes (35 laps) Password: see aboveDriver lists can be found on the championship standings pageDivision 1 | Single Stop Time | | Double Stop Time | BRM | No Stop | | N/A | Honda | 8 | | N/A | Cooper | 13 | | N/A | Brabham | 41 | | 16 | Eagle | 48 | | 19 | Ferrari | 50 | | 20 | Lotus | 67 | | 29 |
First Pit Window is: 28 (to go on your pit board) to 18 (to go on your pit board) Second Pit Window is: 26 (to go on your pit board) to 9 (to go on your pit board)
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 12:38:49 PM +0100 » |
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Those are some meaty pit stop times Whos going to take the Lotus then?
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 12:45:56 PM +0100 » |
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Those are some meaty pit stop times Whos going to take the Lotus then? Maybe someone with a bladder problem
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 03:50:13 PM +0100 » |
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Those are some meaty pit stop times Whos going to take the Lotus then? Maybe someone with a bladder problem LOL
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 07:59:57 PM +0100 » |
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Those are some meaty pit stop times Whos going to take the Lotus then? Maybe someone with a bladder problem LOL I think that's takin the pizz
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Phil Thornton
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 12:48:05 AM +0100 » |
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Those are some meaty pit stop times Whos going to take the Lotus then? Sure are, but they're all calculated from a simple formula based on WR times. As published in the Pit Stop Calculator. I've added an extra facility in the calculator for Season 15. It's the "Race Pace Adjustment". If you click the Zanvoort tab enter 1.005 in cell E11 (which effectively increases the Lotus WR time by 0.5%) and then press the "Calculate Pit Stop Times" button, the Lotus pit stop time goes down from 67 to 53 seconds. This just shows how sensitive the pit stop times are to changes in WR times. I wasn't intending to change the way the pit stops are calculated mid season (i.e. fiddling around with the "Race Pace Adjustment" - do we get more "Hot Lappers" posting WRs in the Lotus?) but then I didn't expect to get a near Cooper spec race at Monaco. Has nobody got the balls to take the Lotus?
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 12:08:02 PM +0100 » |
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Lotus ? Monaco ? Fine if you can stick it on pole otherwise you run the risk of getting stuffed behind the Cooper que and all that extra HP is useless . It would take a very brave man (which rules me out) IMO of coarse
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 01:22:44 PM +0100 » |
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hmmm!??? take the Lotus......with a pit stop of over 60 secs and only 35 laps it doesn't take much to work out that I have to be about 2secs a lap quicker than everybody else to have a chance of winning!!! So the question is, can I lap the Lotus 2 secs faster than Lorenzo and Hristo in a Cooper/Brm!!! ? Doesn't take long to work that one out does it!!! LOL lap times of 1:22 in a lotus would be just about perfect!!!
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2008, 11:32:05 PM +0100 » |
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hmmm!??? take the Lotus......with a pit stop of over 60 secs and only 35 laps it doesn't take much to work out that I have to be about 2secs a lap quicker than everybody else to have a chance of winning!!! So the question is, can I lap the Lotus 2 secs faster than Lorenzo and Hristo in a Cooper/Brm!!! ? Doesn't take long to work that one out does it!!! LOL lap times of 1:22 in a lotus would be just about perfect!!! Yes, but you will come to the same conclusion whichever car you choose. If we all take Coopers or BRM's we will just be behind Hristo and Lorenzo for the whole race. At least if you take the Lotus you may run up front or even in the lead for at least some of the race!
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 10:26:11 AM +0100 » |
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If only!! lol The problem that I have Ken is that none of my pb's in any chassis would give me enough advantage to warrant taking the pitstop of the faster cars. I just would not gain enough time to cancel out the stop. I tried that in the last Master's race when I took the Eagle...it did not work for me. Which I think, is the same issue for most drivers who look at a 60 sec pit stop and know that they will not be 2 secs or more a lap faster,each and every lap, than they would in say the Cooper. Therefore simple maths dictates that the best option is the Cooper or BRM with no stop and hope for a couple of retirements up ahead. I know this returns to the insolvable nutmeg of the pit stop calculations, and I have no wish to ressurect that argument. But, it is interesting that even those aliens with the ability to lap a Lotus at world record pace and take advantage of the faster car, still take the BRM or Cooper. Surely if Hristo and Lorenzo both took the faster chassis the competition between them would still be as intense...just quicker? and they would take the same podium spots?
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 12:15:59 PM +0100 » |
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In my case I am sure it matters not a jot which chassis I use . Long ago I reached the Terminal Velocity Threshold "TVTmax" above which my brain will cease to function and my limbs become frozen and disconnected from the nerve center. The result is that any chassis will get me around a given track at more or less the same leisurely pace, But any attempt to increase lap speeds (lower lap time ) will result in my arms and elbows flailing about wildly like an octopus on steroids and both legs fighting each other as I slowly dissapear under the table trying to reach the gas and brake pedal in a vain attempt to control my progress around the track. The above does not of coarse apply to those circuits which consist of one long straight e.g. Spa or Monza where driver skill is at a minimum and straight line speed is God. Its really down to selecting the most comfortable armchair to race in
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 01:30:27 PM +0100 » |
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If only!! lol The problem that I have Ken is that none of my pb's in any chassis would give me enough advantage to warrant taking the pitstop of the faster cars. I just would not gain enough time to cancel out the stop. I tried that in the last Master's race when I took the Eagle...it did not work for me. Which I think, is the same issue for most drivers who look at a 60 sec pit stop and know that they will not be 2 secs or more a lap faster,each and every lap, than they would in say the Cooper. Therefore simple maths dictates that the best option is the Cooper or BRM with no stop and hope for a couple of retirements up ahead. I know this returns to the insolvable nutmeg of the pit stop calculations, and I have no wish to ressurect that argument. But, it is interesting that even those aliens with the ability to lap a Lotus at world record pace and take advantage of the faster car, still take the BRM or Cooper. Surely if Hristo and Lorenzo both took the faster chassis the competition between them would still be as intense...just quicker? and they would take the same podium spots?
Ah, but initially you were saying you couldn't lap 2 secs faster than Hristo or Lorenzo in Coopers/BRM's, now you are saying you can't lap faster than yourself in a Cooper/BRM. So yes you might think the slower car is the better choice, however there are other aspects to consider. There maybe slightly more chance of being involved in an incident if you are back in the pack and the possibility of being slowed by a driver in a faster car, whereas you could have the track to yourself if you took the Lotus and ran at the front. But as Bernie has pointed out, they are long races and it is a good to drive a car you are comfortable in.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 09:55:50 PM +0100 » |
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Well got into praccy a tad late but still managed a PB in the Cooper so was happy with 9th. Got a decent start and had Mr Darwin in my sights on a few occasions. He made that car pretty wide so good job on the defense. I was wondering why I was a bit quicker than him in a few places then realised that I still had Praccy fuel on even though I had fuelled it and change the race set up to 35 laps. Well I thought I would just pit lots of times. lol I came into a bend a tad too fast and went to rejoin off the racing line when all of a sudden I was on my roof. I watched the replay and to be honest it was definately a racing incident as Burt lost control and he came skidding into me. To be honest there was no way Burt was at fault so don't be worrying m8. Onto Nurby. Not my fave track at all.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2008, 11:54:11 PM +0100 » |
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Took the BRM mainly because it was one of the few remaining Monster times I needed to get negative. Did that in qually after about half a dozen laps and then promptly forgot how to drive the beast and just got slower and slower! I still thought I had a chance of racing the Coopers because of the lack of any stop.
And so it transpired. I managed to leapfrog them all as they stopped and then they queued up behind me!!
Because it has a far turn of speed I could keep the tank ahead down the s/f and then hold them off through the twisties and one by one they all went making sandcastles in the dunes as they became frustrated at the moving chicane in front of them.
So I was running 2nd and on my last lap, or so I thought! I eased right up to ensure a finish and Clive was now back on my tail but I only had to get it over the line. But what's this no chequered flag and prib still says 1 lap. Bugger. Carried on with Clive now all over my gearbox. Marshals waving flags at the hairpin, they think it's all over, it is now. Lost concentration and banged in to the bales. Clive through and 2nd place gone. Oh well, still a podium, but a little frustrated with myself to say the least.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 12:01:03 AM +0100 » |
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The usual medeocre performance from me ( at least I'm consistant) My only problem (apart from staying awake for 35 laps ) was GPL wait , I pressed the P in key and nothing, made my scheduled stop, pressed the Go button ......... and , ............Nothing ....... zilch ........ nowt ! in fact F'all happened so there I was , sat in me car trying to count the seconds but can't for the life of me remember how long the Brabby pit stop time should be , durr ! stupid or what ? After an age I re join the track and resume "racing" as normal and waiting for the inevitable "alien attack" so I can get out the way promptly. Was a bit sick after the race to find my Pit Crew had taken nearly 2 minutes to change 4 tyres, wipe my visor and fill her up. No bonus money for that shower this W/E , in fact if they dont get there ass in gear for Nurbs they will all be for the flugplatz Rumour has it they couldnt get the wheelnuts done up for laughing
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