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  • S15Dc Lime Rock: July 06, 2008
July 06, 2008, 09:12:06 PM +0100 - Lime Rock (mountain) - UKGPL Season 15 (2008) Clubmans
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Ian Stanley
 Reed Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 4 +1.455
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1 42:17.545
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24 1:43.189
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Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 1 1:42.098
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2 +2.870
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24 1:43.021
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Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.862
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3 +26.717
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24 1:43.339
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Firestone  
Bully
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +2.485
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4 +40.861
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24 1:43.845
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Goodyear  
petestenning
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 9 +3.175
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5 +2:13.165
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24 1:45.117
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Firestone  
G Poole
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 10 +6.291
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6 +19L
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5 1:48.755
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Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +0.295
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7 +24L
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0 ---
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Firestone  
Burtoner
 The Coopermen
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +1.939
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8
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0 ---
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Firestone  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 6 +2.064
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9
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 8 +2.726
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10
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
3 UKGPL67
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Congratulations to Ian Stanley for scoring his second Clubman win, first one of the season. Though its safe to say that Ian's victory charge was helped by a mass disco on lap 1 which eliminated, amongst others, Phil as as strong contender for a win here, Ian's win is certainly well deserved as he had to beat an on-form Bernie and Chris, both of whom had faster chassis underneath them.

Bernie could have easily fought for the win but his first part of race was rather wobbly and he lost too much ground to a very consistant Ian Stanley. Bernie did claim the fastest lap of 1m43.021s but Ian was less than tenth behind.

Michael Turner makes his podium debut after driving a fine race and even holding the fastest lap up until the end of race where Ian and Bernie sped up fighting each other. Michael also claimed the third fastest lap confirming his podium position.

The championship now looks good for Bernie who moves 36 points ahead of Phil and with two races to go, it looks more and more as a two horse battle. However, three more drivers, Chris, Will and Art, stand a mathematical chance for the title but bookies have it all on the two leading drivers.

Next up is Silverstone and a first match ball for Bernie.


Server replay time: 0h01m20s

Lap 1 - between T2 and T3

Phil Thornton gets the Vaill's Bend slightly wrong and goes wide opening the doors to Ian Stanley's BRM. They get to go through the esses towards the Beagle's Nest side by side and both drivers try and give room to each other however, track in this part is rather tricky and racing line is a bit undefined.

They touch wheels and Phil goes of the track momentarily however, disconnects immediatelly and its difficult to tell how it would end.

  • Racing incident


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Lao 3 - Flat turn

Ian Stanley is approaching Michael Turner's Ferrari which went a bit out of shape through the Climbing corner. Michael did a good thing and went off the racing line in order to recover his speed, which is very commendable, and sort of half expects Ian to pass him much faster. Ian was however very cautious over the hump so they approach the flat turn side by side but Michael is in less favourable position as he is on the far right, taking a right turn. He'a bit far from Ian who can barely see him, even when looking to his right - Ian turns in a bit too soon, obviously unaware of Michael's presence and they touch slightly but both drivers are luckily able to continue.

This is not a major offence as there are mitigating circumstances amongst which is the hump over which Ian had to slow down and therefore to him, it could easily appear that he was going to pass Michael much farther. Also, there was a small element of warp involved.

I will caution this as when in doubt, one should always leave some room to avoid such situations.


Server replay time: 0h06m00s

Lap 3 - Pete Stenning makes a mistake and flips his Lotus requiring a Shift R but fails to carry out a Stop and Go to compensate.

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« on: July 02, 2008, 10:21:12 PM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 15 Clubmans Cup - Round 8 - Lime Rock Mountain - July 6th

Gentlemen, welcome to the round eight of the championship, see race announcement below.

The heat of the championship battle flies away from the old continent before returning to two home races. Bernie sneaked in ahead of Phil, taking the lead by six points.

Not so far behind, Will and Chris have a good chance to reap the benefits of Brabham chassis which should do rather well on this circuit while Art and Burt will have a free Eagle; not that it matters to Burt but one should be cautious when choosing Eagle on this type of circuit.

Ian Docherty may have another opportunity for a race win as Ferrari chassis, available to him, should prove to be the best racing option for this track.

This is the first Clubman showing in Lime Rock Mountain Course, a Nurburgring-green circuit with Zandvoorty flow in it. There is but one hard braking point and the rest is just you, wheel and the gears most of the time. Be careful with jumps and entering the braking points after the twisty bits - you may well be tempted to get your two wheels of the track at some points but that seems to do more bad than good.

The good news is, there is virtually nothing to hit when going off the circuit (apart from rather forgiving fences) and that means it will require less Shift Rs during offs.

To get some setups, you can visit the Paul Jackson page at the GPL Addicts place...
http://www.gpladdicts.speedgeezers.net/pjaddonrpys.htm
where you will find setups for Lotus, Honda, BRM, Cooper and Ferrari as well as replays for all cars except Ferrari and Eagle.

PJ's setups are not overly aggressive and by setting your ramp angles to something you're comfortable with at Zandvoort and adjusting your brake bias to suit your style should make a good base setup to start with.

Here you can download a home-made human lap, a low 1.42, made to suit the Clubman range as demonstrated by Chris Bull's effort registered on the GPL Rank.
http://rapidshare.com/files/126637400/Lime_Rock_MC_Lap.rpy.html

Wish you all good luck.

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Server 3.ukgpl
IP address 87.194.135.42
Race date = 06-07-2008, 20:30 BST
Track = Lime Rock Mountain (http://gplmz.bcsims.com/index.php?showtopic=2884
Race length = Int Long (24 laps)

Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on
clock to
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CHASSIS RESTRICTIONS
The following groups of drivers are restricted to the cars shown
below unless they opt to carry out additional pit stops to equalise
the performance of the car that is chosen:-


Group 1 - 1st and 2nd - Limited to BRM, Cooper or Honda
Bernie Darwin
Phil Thornton

Group 2 - 3rd and 4th - Limited to BRM, Cooper, Honda or Brabham
Will Tway
Chris Bull

Group 3 - 5th and 6th - Cannot take Ferrari or Lotus
Artur Le Marquand
Robert Burton

Group 4 - 7th and 8th - Cannot take Lotus
Ian Docherty
Ben Summers

9th and below - Free choice of chassis.

PIT STOPS FOR DRIVERS OPTING TO USE FASTER CAR THAN ALLOWED ABOVE
Drivers wishing to take a chassis other than as specified above will
need to make the appropriate pit stop(s) as follows:


Group 1
Lotus 1 x 28
Ferrari 1 x 14
Eagle 1 x 14
Brabham SnG

Group 2
Lotus 1 x 18
Ferrari 1 x 4
Eagle 1 x 3

Group 3
Lotus 1 x 4
Ferrari Stop n Go

Group 4
Lotus 4

The pit window is as follows:

Pit stop is to be taken between 18 and 12 to go on your pit board.

Password: see above
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 09:22:38 PM +0100 »

AAAAgggghhh!!!!!!   Looking good after praccy, second on the grid behind Bernie.  Got too much wheel spin at the start and lost a place to a Ferrari.  Could hear another car next to my Coop, wasn't sure what it was so I took a wide line through T1.  Had the inside line for T2 so no probs.  Turn 3, could still hear the other car so I stayed wide again.  A little bumping wheels and then screen froze!!!!!!  Really gutted I love that track.

First disco this season.  Pity it had to be on one of my favourite tracks Sad.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 09:35:31 PM +0100 »

Got a decent praccy, was suprised Bernie and Phil were faster in the cooper.

Got a decent start of the grid made up one place think 4th i was then, then going downhill to hairpin, 2 cars collide in front of me and then i get a screen freeze!

When i returned to chat channel, Steve, Amagi, Phil and myself all had screen freezes, So I demand a replay of this track again at then end of the season!


Later on with about 7 laps left it said only 3 drivers were on the server! P.S according to the igor server. and thats including the server name!
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2008, 10:04:43 PM +0100 »

I would like to correct Burt there , 5 of us finished not 3  all on the lead lap.

And if there is a re-run i wont want to go through that again. bad enough once lol.
And i had 1 shift R but did not stop mr Mod.

May i also point out that there were 6 of us racing on the server after the discoes which is more than 50% of the field?

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2008, 10:08:43 PM +0100 »

Yep, freeze up too at T3 on L1.   Sad

Not sure where the car ended up but sorry if it got in anyones way.  The screen froze up but the engine sound was still on and as I was under acceleration at the freeze, it kept on sounding like the engine was increasing RPM to an earsplitting whine, at which point I hit the Off button on the PC as nothing else was responding.  Woke the dog up anyway lol.

Cheers for now.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2008, 11:39:13 PM +0100 »

Nice avatar Steve. Those were the days. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 12:00:02 AM +0100 »

When i returned to chat channel, Steve, Amagi, Phil and myself all had screen freezes, So I demand a replay of this track again at then end of the season!
Sorry to hear about all the screen freezes but there's nothing in it for you to demand Burt - it will be the decision of the moderator (in consulation with other mods) whether to re-run a race or not. Timing of these freezes as well as the number of drivers unaffected will be taken into consideration.

You will be duly informed of the ruling.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 12:56:45 AM +0100 »

REED, MARQUE, LEARN: THE JACK O’FERRALL STORY

Lime Rock July 6  $100,000

“Curse the day that I became what I was born to be
Curse the happy men on earth who are not cursed like me…..
Take an eye for eye they say
But an eye for an eye won't pay
All’s that due….”

‘Excuse me, Mr. O’Ferrall, you wouldn't mind asking your mechanic to stop playing his guitar would you?’
What a lovely.  I leant over and tapped Jim and made the cut sign.  He removed his headphones ‘Jim, we're trying to win a race, not attempting the reconquest of America, leave it out on the plane.’  BOAC transatlantic, lobster, steak and we'd had Mary Poppins replaced by The Carpetbaggers.  The real thing.  All of us clench our fists at birth, so as never to let go of pleasure.  I still had mine.
‘That was subtle.’  Tom in front of me was sore, after claiming he had little to do this season he'd picked up a bruise at a charity party in Paris held by the post-Dadaists and the post-Surrealists.  There'd been a brawl over post-Automatism, he should have expected it, it was traditional.
‘You’re just touchy.  Surrealist pain won't help your nerves.’
‘Says the world's only race driver who believes in self-improvement by the study of gnomes.  We're off to America, it's all ovals there, no place for gnomes to race around at the bottom of the garden.  This VC-10 that's going to get us there, was it built by gnomes?  No.  It was developed from the technology the Allies used to win the war and create freedom and prosperity, instead of a police state.’
Possibly even nervous.  A hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money.  But he should know better than to belittle Loot's gnome.  ‘Technology is overrated, Tom.  It won't stop a police state takeover.  Germany was a good example.’
‘The Germans?  Achtung!  They were all Prussian militarists eager for vengeance, just needed someone to say he'd convinced them.  Culture's in the blood.’
Thirty thousand feet over the Atlantic, first class travel, fantastic food and we'd got onto the war.  I gazed at the clouds.  ‘There were a few million Germans against Hitler, Tom.  Berlin was a liberal-communist city until Goering became chief of police and set his killers on them.  The RAF bombed them, we called it area bombing.  The Soviets drove there in tanks and destroyed the rest of the city, raped all the women and starved everyone.  Then Kennedy turned up and said “Ich bin ein Berliner.”’
Tom wasn't impressed.  ‘It wouldn't happen in England.  The police use wooden truncheons.  The money's sound.  Like this shilling.’ He span it.  ‘One bob.  That's the difference between a sensible country like Britain and a shallow country like Germany.   Difficult racetracks, yes.  Silver cars.’
Loot had many interests.  He had only one gnome, though.  The lady nearest the aisle introduced herself.  She said she was in insurance.

The pits at Lime Rock were a problem for Bell.   He wasn't used to being part of an exhibition, and having young things groovin’ around while he was working wasn't helping him control the combustion process.  ‘Am I Charlie Chaplin?  Do I look like Walt **** Disney?  I work in a garage.  Because of showers, or rain, or when it ****es down.  Or just for some space to myself.  **** off’
‘It won't rain daddy-o.  Be cool.  Let's Spend Some Time Together.’  Popsies were normally very welcome, though ‘Ruby Tuesday’ had obviously got her cool from American television.  I escorted her away with the promise of a less oily groove later on.
‘Who are these ***** people, they're not race fans.  And they're all dressed in ***** loud colours.’  Loot wasn't keen on America either, he objected to the lack of doors on the toilets and claimed that the place was full of gangster lawyers, but Hill had won the United States Grand Prix in 1963, 1964 and 1965.  He won the Indy 500 in 1966, though Chapman complained that the lap count was wrong, as he would.  But at Watkins Glen in 1966, Clark broke his new H-16 in practice.  We had one old battered spare we gave Lotus, they had to fit it overnight.  Ours failed, theirs got Clark a lap clear.  Bell blamed the chap in the pink suit.  There was a big crowd today though, apparently there was no other sport in Connecticut, so they'd decided to build a top-class circuit.  The mountain section took us into the woods, like Brands.  At least there was something left of the New World.  Not like their usual McDonalds racing, with its certainty of taste.  How was Hill supposed to have sneaked around Indianapolis, perhaps tens of thousands of people had all agreed on it? 

The Soggies had all their drivers but only half of Crash’n’Burn were there, they were outnumbered for once.  Qualifying was good, third row, Ian was on the second row, he got a good start, mine was poor and a Brabham slipped ahead of me.  We got up the hill okay, then- what the hell?  Uniforms, guns even, some irate straight-looking people, some somebody with a big document…. Half the field had to stop and get out.  Burt and Steve were quite cross, Phil just rushed off and I was left to try and deal with them.  We were marched off the track.  It emerged that under a "consent decree" the amount of unmuffled engine noise was limited on a Sunday, and we were all in breach of it.  What happened to the American Dream then?  There were a couple of cops offering whiskey to the drivers, I had to warn them not to, but it still wasn't looking good.  Then I was brought to a captain who seemed weary of it all.  ‘Smart lawyers and enough iron men and you can run or stop anything.  But no-one pays men under my charge to act like crooks and buys me with them.  Want to file?’
‘Life’s too short for me to be filing charges against police officers,’ I said.  He let us go, looking hurt and sad.  Ian won, he was outstanding, champagne for us.  Reed Racing won the $100,000 dollar prize.  Again.  Loot was roused to his most eloquent approval. 
   As night fell I was left at the track just looking up the hill.  Jim came up and stood beside me.  He offered me his sympathy.  ‘Bravo’.               
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 12:17:50 PM +0100 »

Suprised to get pole, and with no prior race laps here my only real benchmark was Paul Jacksons site . An off line race against  ai saw the Team Soggies Coop getting hammered by the faster chassis so I wasn't really expecting to do any better for the real race.

During qually I get a banker lap and find myself next door to my main contender "Flying Phil"  Thornton ,  Bully Chris is also knocking on the door.

After a quick visit to the pits I persuade my hard working mechanics that going to a more agressive diff setting "might"  just give me an edge out of that final turn and get some much needed extra rpm's down the long straight . Result ! (but at a price I would have to pay for later)   

I haven't had much success starting from pole , to be honest it makes me feel all goose bumps nervous and I get way to twitchy thinking about all those who are about to try (die) and put me in my true place.  ( somewhere's near the back )

Comes the start I get away well but my moment of glory ends to soon at the hairpin as I hit the brakes and find the rear end of the Cooper is travelling quite a lot faster than the front, a legasy of the wild diff choice which I had decided to use .

Braking for this one corner turned out to be quite a problem for the whole race , it felt just like a diesel spill on a roundabout in january , I must have had 5 or 6 "offs" here but fortunately I found the chicken wire fence at the bottom behaved like a giant tennis racket so that each time I clobbered it I got bounced back trackside again .

Meanwhile Chris, IanS and new team mate Mike are having a great time ahead with some close racing , there combined antics allowed me to close up again and I get to join in the fun for a short while before  Mike decides to go all agricultural and changes the race order at one time I go get to go wheel to wheel with Ian BRM (this is more like it )
After a few more spills and thrills I find myself P2 and chasing Ian hard for the lead , on the next to penultimate lap I get within spitting distance and can feel the heat from his exhaust , but going into the hairpin he brakes a little early and I brake a little late , it almost  ends there in tears but somehow I avoid impaling myself on bournes best exhaust pipes and I recover from the spin to finish 2nd gaining flotd on the final circuit.

Not a bad day out for the old man   
     

Footnotes

It took an age to come to terms with Lime rock M , now on my "favourites" list having raced there !

Phil had cruel luck with the disco , I'm sure he will come back fighting at Silver  Roll Eyes

Soggies had a good day out  Grin

Ian drove a belter in the BRM and deserves his win  Cool

Jacko's reports are brilliant reading , better than my old biggles books  Grin

Burt wants a slap! he should stop whinging , its his own fault for joining the cooper comics team !

cyas all soon in Northampton

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 12:37:32 PM +0100 »

Deserves a provisional - YAAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOOOO!!

Practice went pretty well....Jack was very accomodating with info on his setup. Spent a few laps learning the track - been a while since I last ran on here and that was in tintops. So very pleased with 4th.
Got a great start, but had to back out a little as it looked like Phil had bogged, and wasn't sure about others around me, still managed to get alongside for T1 though. Backed off a little to make sure I didn't run wide and got back alongside for T2, keeping wide. Same for T3 and then in the downhill slalom we touched. 'Bugger' and a few other choice phrases past through my mind as I tried to keep the front pointing in the direction of travel whilst the rear did it's utmost to overtake - need to check the replay as not sure if I moved over on Phil or not.
Managed to keep it going anyway, then from then on it's all a bit of a blur. I think it went something like - Gained 2nd when Bernie tried to make a shortcut at the hairpin, harried Mike for a bit, had a little wobble, Chris got past me leading up to the jump and started harrying Mike, who caught too much grass in the final turn and went for spin. Chris spent the next few laps with a 2-6 sec. lead before falling foul of the grass as well.
I then had 12(?) laps to hold out...with a 6 sec lead. Every time someone started to get close it seemed they'd have a 'moment' and another name would appear in the chase bunch, catch up a little and they'd have a moment. Bernie got within braking distance, with 2 laps to go, but his braking distance disagreed with what the hairpin considered reasonable, and off he went to try and get that shortcut made again.
I've never been more grateful to see the chequered flag ! Fingers crossed that those nice nice Mods see fit to let the race stand and that my tangle with Phil turns out to be a racing incident Smiley  
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 03:05:33 PM +0100 »

Chris, do your magic, I'm eager to see what happened in the mountains Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 04:07:31 PM +0100 »

Yeah me too. Especially since my computer froze long before T1. It froze the night before as I was unable to get out of an outing with mum in the city.  :'(

Grats to Ian, Bernie and ?

Will
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 04:14:31 PM +0100 »

Track: Lime_mc             Sun Jul 06 21:53:44 2008

RACE RESULTS (After 24 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1   2 Ian Stanley                     BRM      GBR   24  42m17.545s           
 2   3 bernie darwin                   Cooper   GBR   24  42m20.415s    02.870s
 3  17 Michael Turner                  Ferrari  GBR   24  42m44.262s    26.717s
 4  14 Chris Bull                      Brabham  GBR   24  42m58.406s    40.861s
 5   8 peter stenning                  Lotus    GBR   24  44m00.710s  1m43.165s
 6   9 Graham Poole                    Cooper   GBR    5   9m55.320s  19 lap(s)
 7  16 Phil Thornton                   Cooper   GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
 8  18 Robert Burton67                 Cooper   GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
 9  11 Jack O'Ferrall                  BRM      GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
10  15 Steve Bird67                    Eagle    GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
11   4 3 UKGPL67                       Ferrari  GBR    0 DidNotStart  24 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 05:27:21 PM +0100 »

Track: Lime_mc             Sun Jul 06 21:53:44 2008

RACE RESULTS (After 24 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1   2 Ian Stanley                     BRM      GBR   24  42m17.545s           
 2   3 bernie darwin                   Cooper   GBR   24  42m20.415s    02.870s
 3  17 Michael Turner                  Ferrari  GBR   24  42m44.262s    26.717s
 4  14 Chris Bull                      Brabham  GBR   24  42m58.406s    40.861s
 5   8 peter stenning                  Lotus    GBR   24  44m00.710s  1m43.165s
 6   9 Graham Poole                    Cooper   GBR    5   9m55.320s  19 lap(s)
 7  16 Phil Thornton                   Cooper   GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
 8  18 Robert Burton67                 Cooper   GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
 9  11 Jack O'Ferrall                  BRM      GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
10  15 Steve Bird67                    Eagle    GBR    0   0m00.000s  24 lap(s)
11   4 3 UKGPL67                       Ferrari  GBR    0 DidNotStart  24 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

interesting wonder why it shows 0m and 0secs race time, when I did must of been 20secs.
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2008, 07:27:43 PM +0100 »

interesting wonder why it shows 0m and 0secs race time, when I did must of been 20secs.
That's a race report from Bernie's client replay, which means server has not sent to bernie any information about any of you moving an even inch from the grid.

I'm sure server replay will show differently.
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