UKGTL Season 6 Classic Endurance - Watkins Glen (GP) - Aug 28

[Jeffrey]

not to blow my own trumpet, but if you watch my start i was way down the grid behind all the commotion and i managed to avoid the mess,if i got hit from behind thats their problem,as in real life,if the car behind hits you,it's their fault,no questions asked, you can't say that you didn't want to brake too hard in case someone else hit you.

all i'm saying is that if you keep a level head and just keep an eye on those immediately in front and to you side,NOT those behind you then you should be good to go.

i know it is very frustrating to get hit from behind,but,like i said,i practice my starts a hell of a lot with the ai,i know they're not human,but they are fairly unpredictable too.

sorry for rambling on.

 

[GardO]

not to blow my own trumpet, but if you watch my start i was way down the grid behind all the commotion and i managed to avoid the mess,if i got hit from behind thats their problem,as in real life,if the car behind hits you,it's their fault,no questions asked, you can't say that you didn't want to brake too hard in case someone else hit you.

all i'm saying is that if you keep a level head and just keep an eye on those immediately in front and to you side,NOT those behind you then you should be good to go.

i know it is very frustrating to get hit from behind,but,like i said,i practice my starts a hell of a lot with the ai,i know they're not human,but they are fairly unpredictable too.

sorry for rambling on.

 

why thank you Ruskus, i am not worthy though lol

[Mark J]

sorry i missed last nights race. not made a single GTL event for about 6 or 7 weeks now  :'(

Im with Mr Oilly, on everything he's said for keeping Standing starts. The buzz/thrill and atmosphere of sitting on the grid with 20 odd other classic race cars waiting for the lights is one of the highlights of our gtl races.

 Jeez it took us long enough with plenty of debate to get them re-instated. Punish the mayhem causers...hard! Its the only way to force people to think before they plunge their right foot to the floor on the startline and spin around into someone or take out 3 other cars at t1.
I would be as draconian as to either demote them to the back of the grid at the next race by excluding them from setting a qually lap or a 1 race ban. If we all know whats at stake, we cant complain if we cause the chaos. (unless replays prove it really wasnt their fault).

Just my sixpence worth 

[phspok]

Quick addition to earlier now I've watched the replay a few times
There are two phenome, phenomen, umm, "interesting points" here

1: What someone sees on their screen is not always the same as in the server replay
at a particularly high lag scenario like a big standing start.

2: The further back from a start line incident you are, the faster you are traveling
when you become aware of it.

For point 1 - On the server replay I seem to brush up the right side of Oily, and slow
for no apparent reason, as Bara has teleported back to the pits by then
(he did escape pretty quickly)

What I actually saw was a green and white capri set off, then dive to the left revealing
a half sideways parked red car. Too close to drive round it, and I make slight contact with
something, I thought the capri, then the red car dissapears, and I get spun across the track
by Truetom, who had made an effort to slow, and ends up driving along the wall.
He is a victim of point 2. Legzy follws him - more point 2, Wiltshire Tony comes along
even faster - yet more point 2, and so on.

Of course when you are far enough back you have some limited opportunity to evade/avoid
but those 2 or 3 rows behind the incident are going to find it very tough.

[spanner]

It seesm everyones arguing about rolling starts when this was one off, Its wasnt a problem with not practising the start or being able to control the power its was a seperate issue, pc related therefore we need to accept that and move on.

Having not seen the replay, but from my point it was a case of driving into a huge cloude of smoke and not knowing what was going to happen. I like to run with all the graphical niceties on, so am i being penalised for it?. Either you brake and get hit from behind or you drive into someone. That situation is hardly a common occurance so you can hardly critise people for a spur of the moment split decision as to what to do, I would hate to see people being judged from this. Its a bit different from calmy looking at the replay and see ing it from different directions then making a decision.

[psuedo]

At the end of the day chaps, this is not really about any particular incident from last night...but more about the way some drivers approach the whole start procecure.

Last night is quite a classic example though.....The initial incident unfortunately involved 4, possibly five cars and was imo unavoidable and just one of those things that happen.

However the initial incident got worse and worse as more cars came ploughing in.....From almost any position on the grid (and I have looked at it from every drivers on board shot) the initial incident was reasonably visible....(smoke and bits of car parts flying around up ahead)....so everyone had at least some warning that there was an incident and caution needed to be taken. Some took the required measures, ie slowed, prepared themselves for eveasive manouvers...and some didn't....foot to the floor all the way untill hitting something slowed them  The few that seemed to 'bail in' (for want of a better way of putting it) proceded to then hit both cars from the initial incident and drivers ahead that were slowing due to it.... If you did that on the M6 you would probably be dead.....if you did that in a real world race you would be a lot of money out of pocked...possibly dead or seriously injured...and almost definately banned/fined/penalised for ignoring yellow flag conditions etc..

It shouldn't be any different here imo.

[Mark J]

Well said Pseud.

Its not 'Days of bleeding Thunder' for heavens sake 

[GardO]

foot to the floor all the way untill hitting something slowed them 

this is what i don't really understand,why oh why do people do this,if there's a crash on the road aheaad,you lift off or slow down enough to avoid any involvement. should be the same in online,but folk have the" it's only a game" attitude which can sometimes lead to others disappointment.

i wish i hadn't bothered mentioning it now lol

[Jeffrey]

i wish i hadn't bothered mentioning it now lol

On the contrary, it needs to get fixed, and the only way to do that is to discuss it and to act.

[Gothwitch]

At the end of the day chaps, this is not really about any particular incident from last night...but more about the way some drivers approach the whole start procecure.

If you did that on the M6 you would probably be dead.....if you did that in a real world race you would be a lot of money out of pocked...possibly dead or seriously injured...and almost definately banned/fined/penalised for ignoring yellow flag conditions etc..

It shouldn't be any different here imo.

So....mmm... so you advocate that in the event of someone hitting you up the trumpet at any point, then spinning into a wall we can all bus it round to their house and break their lower limbs.... as that would be what happens in real life and it should be no different here ... well Im up for it, do I bring my own baseball bat!!

[Jeffrey]

So....mmm... so you advocate that in the event of someone hitting you up the trumpet at any point, then spinning into a wall we can all bus it round to their house and break their lower limbs.... as that would be what happens in real life and it should be no different here ... well Im up for it, do I bring my own baseball bat!!

Aaaaaaaaade, the leash man, the leash! 

[Ade]

Sorry!!! Get back in that kitchen woman.

[Gothwitch]

Sorry!!! Get back in that kitchen woman.

Your legs are first my little gobby one!

[psuedo]

I think Logitech should fit all their wheels with airbags as standard. 

[Truetom]

Sorry!!! Get back in that kitchen woman.

Your legs are first my little gobby one!

Been watching Misery again?