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September 10, 2008, 07:15:16 AM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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EvilClive
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.115
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1 39:32.077
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27 1:26.712
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Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:26.266
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2 +11.441
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27 1:25.707
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Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +0.313
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3 +13.716
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27 1:26.652
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Dunlop  
john roberts
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.364
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4 +20.535
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27 1:27.397
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Dunlop  
Storm_Cloud
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +0.957
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5 +21.237
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27 1:26.377
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 5 +0.288
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6 +34.953
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27 1:26.946
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 7 +0.369
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7 (+2) +56.905
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27 1:26.991
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Dunlop  
Art
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Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.097
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8 (+1) +1:10.788
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27 1:26.896
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Dunlop  
Ian Stanley
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +2.123
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9 +2L
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25 1:28.427
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Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 17 +5.225
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10 +1:46.132
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25 1:29.961
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Dunlop  
paulwbird
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 9 +1.069
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11 +1:53.391
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25 1:28.397
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Goodyear  
norbert
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +3.125
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12 +2:04.971
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25 1:30.048
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Dunlop  
LondonRC
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 18 +5.623
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13 +2:46.582
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25 1:30.182
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Dunlop  
G Poole
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +4.056
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14 +3L
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24 1:30.227
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Goodyear  
happyal
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 15 +3.634
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15 +6L
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21 1:31.226
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Dunlop  
Burtoner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.050
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16 (+2) +12L
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15 1:28.068
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 19 +27.421
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17 +7:15.532
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15 1:47.405
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Dunlop  
Screwcutter
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +1.712
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18 +15L
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12 1:28.768
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Dunlop  
Kruger Enge
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.134
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19 +16L
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11 1:27.245
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Dunlop  
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BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 20 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

First blood to the Coopers- in the somewhat eastern-influenced shape of Clive Gardner- in what may well be a season-long battle between them and the Brabhams. I've noticed that the championship classes the Brabhams together but also records the BT11s separately when looking for fastest results by chassis, which may give them the advantage of 4 cars to 2.

It was unfortunate that 3ukgpl was offline for this race and my apologies to those who were unable to race as a result. We'll have separate Novices and Amateurs grids at Watkins where pasing is even more frequent. However, I was pleased that there weren't too many problems even with our aces sharing a grid with our novices, most times cars that were being lapped behaved very well.


Server replay time: 0h01m01s

Start - happyal and norbert

Al rear-ends Norbert as Norbert brakes for the first turn. Though Norbert is slightly cautious with his braking Al should expect the field to slow dramatically at times at this stage in the race. If you can, take a slightly different line when the car ahead brakes in front of you at a corner for the first time, though this isn't always possible at the start.

A more skilled driver would have incurred a two place penalty for the shunt, with an additional place lost for a Lap 1 incident. However, I've taken lack of experience into account, as well as the mixed levels of ability in this race.


Server replay time: 0h01m21s

Lap 1 - Turn 3 - Screwcutter and Ian

Screwcutter loses it and spins in front of Ian, who collides with him. Neither reset, both rejoin well. Unavoidable rear end shunt.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m17s

Lap 1 - Turn 8 - NickyIckx, Burt, Paul Bird, Art, Screwcutter and Ian Stanley

Lorenzo has gone off, and though he is in a poor position he reverses to get off the track before attempting a rejoin. NickyIckx is one of the cars who avoids Lorenzo to the outside of the right after the jump, and loses it into the sand. While still under throttle on the grass he slews back onto the track and into the path of Burt and Paul. Paul runs up the hill after the collision and then comes back onto the track in front of Art.

The later contact between Screwcutter and Burt was due to warp.

While both Nicky and Paul come back onto the track after losing control, Nicky had about five seconds on the grass and much more opportunity to control the car- if he had braked to a stop he wouldn't have endangered the cars following. Paul was moving backwards down a hill and had far less time to react. Also, not only Art but Screwcutter and Ian approached this incident too quickly under yellow flags.

Paul's stop-and-go was not necessary under the circumstances.

The priority of any driver who has gone off the track is to regain full control, slowing as much as necessary. One more place is due under UKGPL rules for a Lap 1 incident, but as it is Nicky's first race with UKGPL, I've waived this and also the associated Yellow Card Points.


Server replay time: 0h02m27s

Lap 1 - Turn 9 - LondonRC and Lorenzo Galluzzi

LondonRC rear-ends Lorenzo. Lorenzo has had to wait a long time to rejoin, and even then has to rejoin in the middle of a multi-car incident. LondonRC has nowhere to go, but has approached at a reduced speed and there is only slight contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m26s

Lap 2 - Turn 5A and Moss - Art, LondonRC, Ian Stanley

Art rear-ends LondonRC on the approach to Moss, though LondonRC is slightly wide, which may have fooled Art. There is then side-to-side contact between LondonRC and Ian as Ian passes, though the contact that causes them to spin is warp.

I'm not going to award Art any Yellow Card Points, as he may have been caught out due to having two different races off the same grid.


Server replay time: 0h04m23s

Lap 3 - S/F - Burt, Graham Poole

There is slight contact between Burt and Graham.

Graham has to reset after going off about half-a-minute later. He takes a stop-and-go penalty, but this costs him more time, meaning that he will become a problem for the leaders earlier. When the Novices and Amateurs are running together, please could the Novices not take penalties for resets, as they are likely to be lapped anyway

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h05m14s

Lap 3 - Moss - Burt and LondonRC

Burt's rejoin is somewhat poor, and this leads to slight side-to-side contact with LondonRC as he passes.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h11m12s

Lap 7 - S/F - Kruger Enge, Graham Poole, Storm_Cloud

Kruger is slightly impatient to lap Graham when he could have waited for the straight, though the contact is warp. Graham could have braked afterwards to help Storm_Cloud to avoid the incident, though he had little time to react.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h11m45s

Lap 8 - Turn 2 - Graham Poole, FullMetalGasket

Graham Poole loses control and spins and FullMetalGasket hits him. Unavoidable rear end shunt.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h13m21s

Lap 9 - Turn 4 - Kruger Enge, vosblod

Kruger rear-ends vosblod, if only by means of warp. vosblod was much slower than the rest of the field and given the number of times he was lapped, he did very well. He might find a more straightforward setup more to his liking.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h15m14s

Lap 10 - Turn 2 - Burt, Graham Poole

Burt destroys a BT11 engine but coasts to a full stop on the track, perhaps not quite on the line but not far from it. Graham is unable to avoid him. Burt's stop was as inconsiderate as if he had respawned without taking heed of other drivers- where you can, you should coast off the track with a blown engine before you reset.

There is no chance that you will be allowed a free reset for this sort of ploy, though the driver behind will.


Server replay time: 0h17m06s

Lap 10 - White's - HappyAl, vosblod, Kruger Enge, NickyIckx

Vosblod moves out of the way after White's to be lapped by HappyAl, but Al seems to have committed himself to pass on the outside. It is often better to maintain a line when being lapped, however Al's move was premature in this case as he hadn't finished White's first and wasn't under full control. The pile up leaves Kruger and vosblod knocked over the pit wall. Kruger had been having a good race with John Roberts, on whom the Mosport gods must smile, as every time Kruger overtook him disaster was not long in coming. Kruger took this opportunity to retire.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h20m22s

Lap 14 - Turn 4 - Cliver Gardner, LondonRC

LondonRC should have slowed to allow Clive to lap on the straight but leaves it too long, having moved across the line. There is a slight collision at Moss after Clive passes on the compression.

Not a penalty as LondonRC has moved over before 5A, but it might have been easier to make sure before the trickier section.

  • LondonRCadvice — Marginal Blue Flags


Server replay time: 0h24m16s

Lap 15 - Turn 8 - LondonRC, Paul Bird

LondonRC rear-ends Paul Bird due to warp, neither car was fully under control.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h25m27s

Lap 17 - Turn 5A - LondonRC, Paul Bird, NickyIckx

LondonRC loses control before Moss and is hit by Paul Bird. He struggles with the fence and grass and then attempts to rejoin at a very poor angle, though the subsequent collision with Nicky is due to warp, and LondonRC did attempt to get away from the racing line once he lurched onto the track.

  • LondonRCadvice — Marginal Bad Rejoin


Server replay time: 0h27m15s

Lap 18 - Turn 5A - LondonRC, Art

Art loses control while lapping LondonRC leading to a collision. LondonRC resets and does not take a stop-and-go, acting as per my race instructions. The car seemed recoverable, unless the engine had gone- it was difficult to tell this time. However, if you are allowed resets they are only free if they are necessary.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h33m20s

Lap 20 - Turn 9 - LondonRC, vosblod

LondonRC loses it while lapping and rear-ends vosblod, who is well over to one side of the track. I've called this a marginal incident because of the difference in pace.

  • LondonRCadvice — Marginal Rear End Shunt


Server replay time: 0h38m06s

Lap 26 - Turn 4 - Clive Loynes, Lorenzo

Clive almost loses the car before the compression, he slews and slows, and Lorenzo hits him. Both cars have to be reset, neither has to take a stop-and-go. There wasn't much Lorenzo could have done.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2008, 09:07:17 AM +0100 »

 Grin Grin
THAT WAS REAL FUN  !!!!!!
Simply an fantastic race it was


Big hand to podiums ones and of course to all other drivers.

And thx to Jack for hosting !

My race in short words :

Qualy serves me a nice time  , only 2 tenth slower then my PB.
Start procedure and T1 as well T2 was clean.
Unlucky circumstance by two of the fast drivers lifted me up on 5th and to my surpeise I was able to race the car on 4th .
Till I  managed to burn up my engine  , which I guess was more based on an tremendous chrash I got at S/F , hitting a Ferrari was facing his nose in wrong direction .Jesus  , that was a shocking moment….
Well after my pitstop I was isolated on 7th , which I am more then pleased with.
A great race  , lots off fun.
Except the servers quality : my red latency thingy was all time half up and even that red Z thingy was still shown.

Anyroads  , I apollogies to those I might hit , mostly stranded up cars maybe , if my memory serves me well.

Looking forward to Watkins Glenn.
Hope we will have the right server then , beeing able to handle all 19 drivers .

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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2008, 09:33:44 AM +0100 »

Just to say I really enjoyed my first race.
Apologies if I got in the way of anyone – did try to keep out of the way.
Anyway I hope you don’t mind a learner driver tagging along – been driving a month and thought I was getting good until I saw how fast you guys go. It has spurred me on to get practicing…
If anyone feels I am causing big problems chugging along at the back I won’t be offended if you want me to practice for a while longer before I come back to race again.
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2008, 10:02:26 AM +0100 »

Glad I made it in the end, great fun.

Gratz to the podium and all who took part.

Vosblod, you did fine. Keep at it and you'll be in the thick of it before long  Smiley

Apologies if I tagged anyone, haven't got used to the 65s yet.
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2008, 11:47:23 AM +0100 »

Except the servers quality : my red latency thingy was all time half up and even that red Z thingy was still shown.


Sorry about that Nicky. 

There were some bad/warpy connections last night and they can sometimes drag the whole thing down.

That was the first time that Gladys has run with a full grid so if anyone else has any observations I would like to hear them.

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2008, 12:58:55 PM +0100 »

A real shame that we had probs with the usual servers last night. Hopefully next time we will have two servers and no-one will miss a chance to race.

Vosblod, don't worry about being a little slower than us at the moment, just learn a little from each race and if you would like some advice...just ask someone. Grin
Please don't feel that you are too slow. My first online race was only about 2 years ago at Mosport in the 67's..and you better believe that I was total hazard on the track!! Roll Eyes

I thought that I had an outside chance of a podium place before last nights race, but it just goes to show that you never know what will happen.  Grin
I got just about the perfect start from 3rd spot on the grid and managed to get in front of Lorenzo before T1. I thought that it would only be a lap or so before Lorenzo would pass me and disappear into the distance but it seems he had a moment at the end of Lap 1.( I will have to look at the replay to see where he went) and left me alone to push on.
The scariest and most nerve wracking element of this race was the lapping of cars when Clive Loynes was only a second or two behind me throughout the race. I always seemed to be approaching Stirlings Bend when I needed to make a pass!!!!, never half way along the straight Undecided.
As we approached the final laps I could see that Clive had Lorenzo right behind him, I was hoping that Clive's usual wide bodied car would keep Lorenzo behind and that their dice would slow them both up. Each time I caught a car to be lapped I lost a few tenths and the gap was closing all the time until on the penultimate lap they vanished at Stirlings... Grin phew!!!

To all those cars that got lapped .... PLEASE DO NOT WORRY ABOUT BEING A PROBLEM, AS LONG AS YOU TRY AND KEEP A STEADY LINE IT IS UP TO THE LAPPING CAR TO FIND A SAFE WAY AROUND YOU, AND WITH A FULL GRID IT CERTAINLY ADDED AN EXTRA DIMENSION TO THE FUN LEVELS LAST NIGHT. so do not feel that you were "in the way", it was great fun.

The warping issue was noticeable for some cars but that may be because we had over taxed poor Gladys without any warning.





















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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2008, 02:13:50 PM +0100 »

Some Numptygraphs here

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=327719

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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2008, 04:02:05 PM +0100 »

Just to say I really enjoyed my first race.
Apologies if I got in the way of anyone – did try to keep out of the way.
Anyway I hope you don’t mind a learner driver tagging along – been driving a month and thought I was getting good until I saw how fast you guys go. It has spurred me on to get practicing…
If anyone feels I am causing big problems chugging along at the back I won’t be offended if you want me to practice for a while longer before I come back to race again.

Vosblood I'm sure that no-one feels like that at all mate.  Smiley That is why this 65 mod is called Novice so we can get to know the new faces and also you to get to know us. We all welcome new faces to UKGPL and that includes you so stick at it and you'll get there in no time at all.  Grin

As for my race well..........

Qually went better than I could have ever expected and was in P1 until Lorenzo done one of his alien laps. Well done m8.  Smiley

As for the race that was a different story and at the start dropped the clutch too early and didn't have enough revs so I was in P4 before T1.  Roll Eyes As for the rest of the race well tried too hard and made too many sill errors including colliding with a Fezza parked in the middle of a bend. No damage done though so just carried on to see what I could do. Started to catch Nicky but made a silly mistake again and that was me relegated to 8th.

Never mind though as I enjoyed that race and if only I could hold my nerve in amongst you guys WHEN I qualify well then maybe I could get more points in the future.

C ya all at the next one.

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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2008, 04:48:02 PM +0100 »

Vosblood , please stay here, do not leave.
I totally agree with  Art  , Ian and  EvilClive.
And sure all others will say the same.
To be honest , to me all backmarkers did a good job yesterday .and yes , lapping cars is part of the race , making it real thrilling.

So don’t worried you to slow or whatever !  Grin


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« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2008, 06:14:13 PM +0100 »

As the others have said above and I said last night on Igor - stay with us Vosblod, you're not in anyones way and if anything help to spice things up  thumbup1
For instance I've learnt I'm much worse at lapping backmarkers than the more experienced regulars here, as Cloud was always managing to pull away slightly on me in the laps I caught someone  Smiley

I've certainly no problem with this as it's practice for me just as much as it is for you so stay with us yes
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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2008, 10:04:24 PM +0100 »

Now showing for a limited period only

MOSPORT 65 mod- The Server Replay

http://www.planet-venom.co.uk/gpl/

Download the three .rar files and glue them back together with WinRAR for the complete server replay.

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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2008, 12:20:32 AM +0100 »

thanks for posting the server replay.

is there any way that faster drivers can mentor new/slower drivers?

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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2008, 08:28:50 AM +0100 »

 Smiley btw. I did a pitstop  , not sure if its necessary to show it inside the result list..
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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2008, 10:01:27 AM +0100 »

Thanks for all the positive feedback, count me in for the rest of the season.
Re mentoring – if anyone could do that it would be great. Maybe a bit of online track training?
Looking forward to Watkins Glen…
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2008, 12:26:51 PM +0100 »

If you haven't already seen it, Jim Pearson created a document for the GPL driving school which ran a few years back, may be of assistance - http://jrpearson.homestead.com/gpldrivinginstruction.html

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2008, 12:44:13 PM +0100 »

If the faster drivers are going to mentor/advise the newbies, I guess the best way is to arrange an evening on the practice server when hopefully some of the faster drivers can offer pointers to those who would like some guidance. Perhaps Dave could post some time slots and set up the server for a practice session at the next venue and those who are able will drop in.

For those who are keen to gain speed, it might be worth downloading the replay of the last race and and set the view to cocpit inside one of the faster cars and watch the lines and gearchanges that are used.

The plus side is that you might see where there is time to be gained, but the down side is that if your setup is not the same as the car you are watching you may tie yourself in a knot.

Generally in 65's there seem to be two schools of driving...there is the smooth relentless style of Clive Loynes and the other is the hooligan style of throw it at the corner and hang on brigade. ( I'll leave you to guess which category I fall into)

The hooligan style worksd with 65's and 66's but with 67's you will burn your tyres inside two laps and disappear into the undergrowth very quickly. Roll Eyes
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