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September 10, 2008, 07:15:16 AM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.115
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1 39:32.077
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27 1:26.712
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Dunlop  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:26.266
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2 +11.441
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27 1:25.707
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Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +0.313
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3 +13.716
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27 1:26.652
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Dunlop  
john roberts
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.364
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4 +20.535
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27 1:27.397
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Dunlop  
Storm_Cloud
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +0.957
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5 +21.237
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27 1:26.377
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 5 +0.288
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6 +34.953
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27 1:26.946
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 7 +0.369
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7 (+2) +56.905
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27 1:26.991
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Dunlop  
Art
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.097
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8 (+1) +1:10.788
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27 1:26.896
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Dunlop  
Ian Stanley
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +2.123
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9 +2L
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25 1:28.427
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Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 17 +5.225
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10 +1:46.132
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25 1:29.961
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Dunlop  
paulwbird
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 9 +1.069
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11 +1:53.391
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25 1:28.397
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Goodyear  
norbert
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +3.125
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12 +2:04.971
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25 1:30.048
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Dunlop  
LondonRC
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 18 +5.623
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13 +2:46.582
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25 1:30.182
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Dunlop  
G Poole
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +4.056
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14 +3L
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24 1:30.227
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Goodyear  
happyal
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 15 +3.634
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15 +6L
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21 1:31.226
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Dunlop  
Burtoner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.050
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16 (+2) +12L
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15 1:28.068
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 19 +27.421
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17 +7:15.532
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15 1:47.405
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Dunlop  
Screwcutter
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +1.712
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18 +15L
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12 1:28.768
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Dunlop  
Kruger Enge
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.134
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19 +16L
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11 1:27.245
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Dunlop  
BREASTS 03
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 20 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

First blood to the Coopers- in the somewhat eastern-influenced shape of Clive Gardner- in what may well be a season-long battle between them and the Brabhams. I've noticed that the championship classes the Brabhams together but also records the BT11s separately when looking for fastest results by chassis, which may give them the advantage of 4 cars to 2.

It was unfortunate that 3ukgpl was offline for this race and my apologies to those who were unable to race as a result. We'll have separate Novices and Amateurs grids at Watkins where pasing is even more frequent. However, I was pleased that there weren't too many problems even with our aces sharing a grid with our novices, most times cars that were being lapped behaved very well.


Server replay time: 0h01m01s

Start - happyal and norbert

Al rear-ends Norbert as Norbert brakes for the first turn. Though Norbert is slightly cautious with his braking Al should expect the field to slow dramatically at times at this stage in the race. If you can, take a slightly different line when the car ahead brakes in front of you at a corner for the first time, though this isn't always possible at the start.

A more skilled driver would have incurred a two place penalty for the shunt, with an additional place lost for a Lap 1 incident. However, I've taken lack of experience into account, as well as the mixed levels of ability in this race.


Server replay time: 0h01m21s

Lap 1 - Turn 3 - Screwcutter and Ian

Screwcutter loses it and spins in front of Ian, who collides with him. Neither reset, both rejoin well. Unavoidable rear end shunt.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m17s

Lap 1 - Turn 8 - NickyIckx, Burt, Paul Bird, Art, Screwcutter and Ian Stanley

Lorenzo has gone off, and though he is in a poor position he reverses to get off the track before attempting a rejoin. NickyIckx is one of the cars who avoids Lorenzo to the outside of the right after the jump, and loses it into the sand. While still under throttle on the grass he slews back onto the track and into the path of Burt and Paul. Paul runs up the hill after the collision and then comes back onto the track in front of Art.

The later contact between Screwcutter and Burt was due to warp.

While both Nicky and Paul come back onto the track after losing control, Nicky had about five seconds on the grass and much more opportunity to control the car- if he had braked to a stop he wouldn't have endangered the cars following. Paul was moving backwards down a hill and had far less time to react. Also, not only Art but Screwcutter and Ian approached this incident too quickly under yellow flags.

Paul's stop-and-go was not necessary under the circumstances.

The priority of any driver who has gone off the track is to regain full control, slowing as much as necessary. One more place is due under UKGPL rules for a Lap 1 incident, but as it is Nicky's first race with UKGPL, I've waived this and also the associated Yellow Card Points.


Server replay time: 0h02m27s

Lap 1 - Turn 9 - LondonRC and Lorenzo Galluzzi

LondonRC rear-ends Lorenzo. Lorenzo has had to wait a long time to rejoin, and even then has to rejoin in the middle of a multi-car incident. LondonRC has nowhere to go, but has approached at a reduced speed and there is only slight contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m26s

Lap 2 - Turn 5A and Moss - Art, LondonRC, Ian Stanley

Art rear-ends LondonRC on the approach to Moss, though LondonRC is slightly wide, which may have fooled Art. There is then side-to-side contact between LondonRC and Ian as Ian passes, though the contact that causes them to spin is warp.

I'm not going to award Art any Yellow Card Points, as he may have been caught out due to having two different races off the same grid.


Server replay time: 0h04m23s

Lap 3 - S/F - Burt, Graham Poole

There is slight contact between Burt and Graham.

Graham has to reset after going off about half-a-minute later. He takes a stop-and-go penalty, but this costs him more time, meaning that he will become a problem for the leaders earlier. When the Novices and Amateurs are running together, please could the Novices not take penalties for resets, as they are likely to be lapped anyway

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h05m14s

Lap 3 - Moss - Burt and LondonRC

Burt's rejoin is somewhat poor, and this leads to slight side-to-side contact with LondonRC as he passes.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h11m12s

Lap 7 - S/F - Kruger Enge, Graham Poole, Storm_Cloud

Kruger is slightly impatient to lap Graham when he could have waited for the straight, though the contact is warp. Graham could have braked afterwards to help Storm_Cloud to avoid the incident, though he had little time to react.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h11m45s

Lap 8 - Turn 2 - Graham Poole, FullMetalGasket

Graham Poole loses control and spins and FullMetalGasket hits him. Unavoidable rear end shunt.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h13m21s

Lap 9 - Turn 4 - Kruger Enge, vosblod

Kruger rear-ends vosblod, if only by means of warp. vosblod was much slower than the rest of the field and given the number of times he was lapped, he did very well. He might find a more straightforward setup more to his liking.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h15m14s

Lap 10 - Turn 2 - Burt, Graham Poole

Burt destroys a BT11 engine but coasts to a full stop on the track, perhaps not quite on the line but not far from it. Graham is unable to avoid him. Burt's stop was as inconsiderate as if he had respawned without taking heed of other drivers- where you can, you should coast off the track with a blown engine before you reset.

There is no chance that you will be allowed a free reset for this sort of ploy, though the driver behind will.


Server replay time: 0h17m06s

Lap 10 - White's - HappyAl, vosblod, Kruger Enge, NickyIckx

Vosblod moves out of the way after White's to be lapped by HappyAl, but Al seems to have committed himself to pass on the outside. It is often better to maintain a line when being lapped, however Al's move was premature in this case as he hadn't finished White's first and wasn't under full control. The pile up leaves Kruger and vosblod knocked over the pit wall. Kruger had been having a good race with John Roberts, on whom the Mosport gods must smile, as every time Kruger overtook him disaster was not long in coming. Kruger took this opportunity to retire.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h20m22s

Lap 14 - Turn 4 - Cliver Gardner, LondonRC

LondonRC should have slowed to allow Clive to lap on the straight but leaves it too long, having moved across the line. There is a slight collision at Moss after Clive passes on the compression.

Not a penalty as LondonRC has moved over before 5A, but it might have been easier to make sure before the trickier section.

  • LondonRCadvice — Marginal Blue Flags


Server replay time: 0h24m16s

Lap 15 - Turn 8 - LondonRC, Paul Bird

LondonRC rear-ends Paul Bird due to warp, neither car was fully under control.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h25m27s

Lap 17 - Turn 5A - LondonRC, Paul Bird, NickyIckx

LondonRC loses control before Moss and is hit by Paul Bird. He struggles with the fence and grass and then attempts to rejoin at a very poor angle, though the subsequent collision with Nicky is due to warp, and LondonRC did attempt to get away from the racing line once he lurched onto the track.

  • LondonRCadvice — Marginal Bad Rejoin


Server replay time: 0h27m15s

Lap 18 - Turn 5A - LondonRC, Art

Art loses control while lapping LondonRC leading to a collision. LondonRC resets and does not take a stop-and-go, acting as per my race instructions. The car seemed recoverable, unless the engine had gone- it was difficult to tell this time. However, if you are allowed resets they are only free if they are necessary.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h33m20s

Lap 20 - Turn 9 - LondonRC, vosblod

LondonRC loses it while lapping and rear-ends vosblod, who is well over to one side of the track. I've called this a marginal incident because of the difference in pace.

  • LondonRCadvice — Marginal Rear End Shunt


Server replay time: 0h38m06s

Lap 26 - Turn 4 - Clive Loynes, Lorenzo

Clive almost loses the car before the compression, he slews and slows, and Lorenzo hits him. Both cars have to be reset, neither has to take a stop-and-go. There wasn't much Lorenzo could have done.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2008, 06:52:27 PM +0100 »

Many thanks for the replay Clive.  A tip from REED RACING- if you use WinAce to unpack .rar files, you can then uninstall it without crapping up the XP native zip, and curse .7zip purveyors instead...

So the results are posted, you've got until the end of Saturday to make any incident reports using the link underneath (thats if you feel there was an accident that was caused by poor decision-making rather than just loss of control), then I can sit back and watch the replay.

It's unfortunate that I wasn't able to have two servers for this, that left 4 Amateurs without a race, as well as Kiwi who was dropped during qually.  With only 5 Novices present, that means that when the Soggies let Bernie loose there could be a full grid of Amateurs by themselves.  Also, I'd like to see how the Novices get on with their own grid, so that's how I'm going to start Watkins.  Any of you who were put off by the faster drivers should take the chance to vote by your deeds....

3ukgpl should be back up soon, but with the Clubmans and the Historics there won't be a practice server until late Tuesday at the earliest.

Geoff, you will have to register before you race- I would have had to get you to before I'd let you on, even had there been space.
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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2008, 08:51:33 PM +0100 »

Thanks Geoff, all new drivers in this division will be listed R1 (reseve). However, as I want to keep the beginners league open during the season, there will only be a single grid if there is another problem with the main server, so being listed as reserve shouldn't be important with two grids to join.

If you still want to make an incident report from Mosport, can I have it before the end of today?  I'll look at all incidents that I have reports for, as well as watch the race.

Vosblod, from what I've seen your Lotus wasn't geared very well and it cost you on the straights- where was the setup from?
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« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2008, 01:58:00 PM +0100 »

Re setup - found it on the online track database - filename started DARK. Will look into set up a bit more for the next race...
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« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2008, 03:04:14 PM +0100 »

You could try the Watkins setup here: http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver under 65 setups, it's always useful to compare different approaches.
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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2008, 11:08:34 PM +0100 »

Do I have to register again Jack? The first time didn't work? Undecided
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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2008, 10:57:26 AM +0100 »

No, you have registered properly!  Though new drivers in the Novices and Amateurs may be listed as R1 reserve, we can continue to accept new entries because we're going to run a separate grid for the Novices.
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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2008, 05:35:32 PM +0100 »

So register...  Sit down, it happens once a season, its not difficult, honest- just vote in the poll on the Novices announcements thread. 

The server went down and we had to use the backup so it was full anyway... apologies to those drivers who were unable to race, especially Jon who was unable to rejoin.  However, we should have two servers next time, if necessary. 

In spite of several attempts both sitting and standing , I note I am still not registered . please tell , just what do I need to do ?

 
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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2008, 09:32:34 PM +0100 »

In spite of several attempts both sitting and standing , I note I am still not registered . please tell , just what do I need to do ?
I processed your application ages ago Bernie.  So you are listed here 3rd from the bottom.

A few other people seem to have this problem.  It might just be because your browser needs refreshing.  Try deleting the cache or history or temporary internet files to force the browser to reload the page.
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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2008, 10:05:20 PM +0100 »

Thanks Phil , I did note my name was on the drivers list when i tried to enter the Mosport round , but the server said i wasnt allowed to join (as mentioned in a previous posting )

All is OK now afaik , thanks for the help m8y see you ont' road soon  Grin

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