UKGTR Season 8 Lower Endurance (GT3) - Road America (Full) - Oct 26

[psuedo]

I have finally been able to put the wheel back on the pc and have a tootle round here.

2:14:5 in race trim...after a whole 5 laps  . hpoefully get some time to praccy proper before Sunday eve.

[Ken Murray]

Thanks for sharing. I've managed a 2:16 so far but only on a slightly modded default setup. It will be interesting to see how I go on yours.

If that is a setup which I think it is, it might not be the best sollution

Well, eventhough it says in the notes it's for a 550 and it is a little twitchy, it did get me in to the 14's.

I keep loosing the time trial hotlaps though! What is the sequence of button clicks to get them uploaded. I managed it once but on every other occasion I seem to end up with it not uploaded and removed from my local sceen!! 

[Clive Loynes]

Good point Ken.

It says thet it is saving the Hot Lap, then I can't find it in the replays,

[Ken Murray]

Good point Ken.

It says thet it is saving the Hot Lap, then I can't find it in the replays,

I think you have to upload it to the online database thing before leaving the session but as I said I've only managed to do that succesfully once!

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Don't forget that the clocks go back tonight, so don't turn up an hour early!

[spanner]

Well we get an hours extra practise then!

[Minton]

i might make a guest appearance here in a Cup-Porker (surprised eh?)

I wouldnt bother Mark its a heap of junk after it was messed with.

[psuedo]

Dan, the cars etc aren't actually 'messed with' as such. A lot of work goes on behind the scenes and a fair few people give up a chunk of their time to try and make the performance of the cars at least mean they can compete on the same terms. WE test them, test them again and test them again. and use quality software etc to make any performance changes. OK, so the cup car may need some further time investing in it....but it has not been messed with....it has had it's performance balanced to enable folk the chance to use other cars too...instead of the cup car winning every race.

[Truetom]

I'd like to join forces with Psuedo in this.    "Messing" with the cars has produced some of the best competitive racing in this season and I hope such trimming can provide more of this in the next season. Another thing: Dan, even admitting there might be a micro chance for MJ to join one of the races in this series has cost him 11,6 GW of energy. Don't mess with it! 

TT

[Mark J]

...wakes up like angry bear with sore head....grrrr   

I understand both sides of the argument discussion here. TT is right, i have totally steered clear of this particular series as i didnt like 'messed with', sorry, 'performance balanced' cars. To me the whole ethos of racing GT cars is pitting different make cars against different drivers with their own unique styles and characteristics. Each car should have its own strengths and weaknesses, thats what makes it interesting. You cant bludgeon 1 car to make it fit with a weaker car. I dont know what relevant traits were altered to make the cars, ahem, 'even' but you only have to look at the tables for this season and see that some cars (vertigo) are obviously more 'even'  than others. By the very fact i only 1 or 2 Porkers in the tables means that car must have been quite severely ham-strung ?  Dans a very good Porker racer so i take his words seriously as well in this case.
But the flip side is, its good to see some of the rarer used cars in action like the z3M etc and from what i read the race action is pretty close. I can understand 'enchancing' some cars ala the real world with cars like an 'M-badged' beemer being improved but curtailing a cars traits to fit doesnt sit well with me.
Just my own pennies worth, you all seem to enjoy your Belgian waffle racing 

Am looking forward to the race tonight whatever, but if i see a Vertigo out powering me down a straight i will not be impressed ! 

[Truetom]

Am looking forward to the race tonight whatever, but if i see a Vertigo out powering me down a straight i will not be impressed ! 

Bah, anything overpowers Vert down the straight. 

TT

[psuedo]

but curtailing a cars traits to fit doesnt sit well with me.

You had best get on to the FIA then....as thats what they do  ....all their cars have 'Limits' to various aspects (like power to weight ratio's, suspension geometry etc) and some cars are quite badly 'hampered' to allow them to race in some classes.

You dont get any more 'REAL' than emulating what the Official body does. 

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

By the very fact i only 1 or 2 Porkers in the tables means that car must have been quite severely ham-strung ?

No, it means it's a horrible to drive car which no longer enjoys a ludicrous and unrealistic advantage over the other cars in its class.

None of the cars in GT3 have lost any of their fundamental driving characteristics. I've driven the 350Z in NGT, GTC and now GT3 and despite it going from big weight loss, through a tyre change, to weight gain and power loss it still goes, handles and stops in essentially the same way. Ditto the VCC which I've driven in several incarnations.

[Legzy]

I normally drive the the Vertislow  , but having driven the Porka for the very 1st time last night... I'm probably going to take that for this the last race of the campaign. Seems like a great drive to me (certainly nicer the the 350z & Z3M that I also tried), so I can't imagine how awesome this little Porka mast have been before it was 'balanced' 

[Madd-RIP]

The problem with the 911 Cup is it has a significant disadvantage due to the front splitter being locked at 1, plus its diff is also locked and there are limited arb adjustments, whereas all thew 'new' GT3's are able to utilise full adjustments ( I think) for all of these.

Although this doesn't hamper it over short stints it eventually rears its ugly head as the  car becomes more difficult to drive as the driver is having to over drive in certain areas to overcome these limits.

ie A far more agressive setup to give the car more mechanical front end grip and a looser rear end to help it turn in and exit with slight oversteer so you can get on the power earlier due to its inherant understeer due to lack of front aero grip, this obviously cooks the tyres quicker and so exacerbates the problem with the cars setup limits.

Its only trump card was its low fuel consumption which was removed for balancing, it still IS a quick car but it is extremely difficult to compete with cars which have the full adjustments available to them. I felt at the time it was neutered almost to the point of redundancy and after the Zhuhai race and moreso the Suzuka race I feel I was correct in that assumption.