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March 03, 2009, 09:49:05 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 3:40.613
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1 37:16.143
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10 3:41.198
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Goodyear  
maestro57
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.285
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2 +12.539
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10 3:41.174
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Goodyear  
Jim Hurtubise
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 4 +0.673
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3 (+1) +17.610
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10 3:40.769
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Dunlop  
roguk
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +1.427
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4 +36.019
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10 3:41.096
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Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +0.588
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5 +43.568
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10 3:40.510
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Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +1.700
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6 +57.734
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10 3:42.692
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +1.695
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7 +1:03.235
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10 3:43.144
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Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +3.498
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8 +1:32.265
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10 3:46.173
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Dunlop  
Glyn Lloyd
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +3.405
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9 +1:48.141
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10 3:44.389
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Dunlop  
Hezemans
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 13 +3.975
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10 +1:53.195
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10 3:44.068
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Dunlop  
BookieW
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 8 +2.279
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11 +1:58.888
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10 3:45.377
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Goodyear  
G Poole
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 17 +6.570
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12 +2:01.648
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10 3:46.746
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +3.276
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13 +2:07.478
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10 3:44.835
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Dunlop  
AuldenA
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +5.139
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14 +2:11.791
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10 3:44.090
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Dunlop  
Burtoner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +5.539
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15 (+1) +2:23.693
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10 3:46.082
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Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +2.287
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16 (+3) +2:39.490
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10 3:45.352
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 16 +5.564
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17 (+1) +3:03.955
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10 3:46.117
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Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 18 +11.869
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18 +3L
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7 3:52.804
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Excellent win for Clutch with the BT11 for the debut of Mountside Racing, and Peter a fine second with the same chassis. Roger and Jim also raced well. The slower chassis will be far more competitive at Albi- though it's fast, at least its tight!

A good grid for the first race of the Novices season, though I hadn't realised that we needed to create a new track65.ini so we ended up with a tight grid, my apologies. However the more experienced drivers contributed more than they should have to the pile-up, and might be advised to rely more on consistency than rocket starts.


Server replay time: 0h00m49s

L1 S/F

Graham and Billy collide off the line, neither much to blame, rather the tight grid.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h00m53s

L1 S/F

Bookie has been tapped from behind by Hezemans and has Burt overtaking him on the left, he moves over too much and collides with Vos. Again, I'm going to put this down to the tight grid.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h00m54s

L1 L'Eau Rouge

Bernie attempts to squeeze outside NHance at L'Eau Rouge, when there is only barely the width of a car to aim for, and though the server has no contact Nhance veers off to the right.

Many drivers were affected while Bernie got away scot-free. There were murmurs about 'poetic justice' and a 'criminal element' in the reports (though I made that last one up). However, with no contact and the cars not clearly moving closer together, there has to be some leniency. Get together and drink the club out of his favourite sherry?

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m16s

L1 L'Eau Rouge

Burt seems to block the outside somewhat after his reset, but when NHance takes the opportunity to pass him and several others on the inside there is side-to-side contact. Only Burt and NHance are affected though.

It's difficult to pass so many cars at once, Burt could claim to be unsighted.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m11s

L1 Malmedy

Hurtubise goes out of control and Bernie clips him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m20s

L1 Malmedy

Vos goes out of control at Malmedy and neither Nhance nor Mike can avoid him. With Norbert losing his car independently of this incident, and Aulden going out of control trying to avoid, there was another pile-up.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h04m36s

L1 Blanchimont

Burt rear-ended Nhance, his car was then hit by Aulden, but he can't claim a free reset as he was already upside-down!


Server replay time: 0h07m54s

L2 Stavelot

Billy has to reset at Stavelot and is then clipped by Vos.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h08m31s

L2 Source

Bernie rear-ended Fabio at Source.


Server replay time: 0h11m30s

L3 Masta

Billy struggled for control at Masta, Aulden had to attempt a pass and there was side-to-side contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h14m00s

L4 Masta

Al passes Hurtubise before Masta then hits the barriers, Hurtubise loses control also and they collide.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h19m58s

L5 Source

Bernie loses control at Source and eventually hits Mike. This was the first of two curious incidents involving Bernie. He appears to be nudged into a loss of control by Mike on the outside, but there was a fair amount of space between them on the server replay.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h20m42s

L6 Combes

Hezemans lost control and NHance could not avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h21m17s

L6 Burnenville

Bernie squeezes Mike at Burnenville and there is side-to-side contact. Though there is no clear contact on the server replay the cars were moving together, and Bernie has far too much of Mike's side of the track.


Server replay time: 0h24m19s

L7 Combes

Hezemans fails to stop-and-go after having destroyed an engine.


Server replay time: 0h26m49s

L7 Malmedy

Fabio was far too close to Billy at Malmedy and rear-ended him.

I've waived the normal caution points as this was Fabio's first race with UKGPL.


Server replay time: 0h30m17s

L8 Blanchimont

Hurtubise slipstreamed Roguk into Blanchimont but allowed himself to get too close and rear-ended him.

Jim has watched Roger through Blanchimont on the previous lap without gaining on him, and after catching him on the straights the Ferrari has pulled away at every corner. However, when no pass is attempted the following car needs to maintain enough of a gap to make allowance for the braking zone, and Jim fails to.

I've waived the normal caution points as this is Jim's first race with UKGPL.


Server replay time: 0h31m50s

L8 Blanchimont

Bernie resets after a crash but fails to stop-and-go before the end of the race.


Server replay time: 0h33m45s

L9 Source

Bernie made a late attempt to outbrake Burt into Source and collided with him. Perhaps an element of warp but the collision was inevitable. Burt is allowed his free reset.


Server replay time: 0h33m46s

L9 Masta

Burt your report for this incident had the title 'Entering top corner of track what ever its called lol' and a server time of '300', which left Glyn unable to comment...

Glyn lost control at Masta and had to rejoin, after his rejoin he was very slow and also moved toward the centre of the track. Burt clipped him on Burt's replay, without any effect on Burt.

After drivers have recovered from an incident and before they have racing speed, they should stay away from both the centre of the track and the racing line if possible- though they should first of all drive straight down the track rather than angle across it, so that drivers approaching at speed have more chance to avoid them.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h39m05s

L10 After Carriere

Burt was passing Bernie when Bernie mysteriously lost control, if this was warp contact it was a huge warp.

Perhaps the new collision box on the Cooper might merit further obsevation?

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2009, 10:06:37 PM +0000 »

Well my first win of the season.
Spa's a real favorite so i'm not sure my pace will be the same at all tracks, infact from the few races i've done at the back end of last season, i know i'm not the quickest guy.
Got through Eau Rouge in second with 3rd place about a second behind as we headed along the straight. I then looked open mouthed at Pribluda that semed to indicate there had been some sort of massive pile up at Eau Rouge. This was a real shame as from the qually times i thought we were in for a tight race, especially with the added slipstream patch.
Followed happyal? who was leading down to the Masta kink and got a tow which allowed me to pass. I think him and Maestro were then swapping positions with Maestro being the winner and holding second.
From then on it was a case of trying to maintain the gap to Maestro who kept on putting in fast laps to keep me under pressure. He was often within a second of me and nearly got me a lap from the end. A good drive by him.
Only worrying part was about a lap from the finish when i saw a yellow flag waving as i commited to the Masta kink at 165+mph. Closed my eyes and luckily made it out the other side to go on to win.
A good race, but shame the field imploded at Eau Rouge which gave the Top 3 an easier podium than they might have had.

As for Albi, never driven it, and i've heard there's not really any setups to modify at the track database, so will have to start head scratching for that one.

Thanks all, Clutch
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2009, 12:05:28 AM +0000 »

Guys !

4 incedent reports requested , do me a favour , OK I admit , I'm guilty as charged on ALL counts , just dont have the time to respond to all 4 so I'll take the hit whatever you say .

Not in the running for any cups or medals so the outcome doesnt really matter (or does it Huh

Just hope the racing improves next outing and you all give me some elbow room  Roll Eyes


Take care , its a dangerous game out there  Cheesy




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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2009, 06:44:57 PM +0000 »

What a kind of race was that!

2 incidents on lap 1, 1st corner just after.

Qualified in a lowly, 15th place, which was expecting at least middle of the pack. Got a great start off the line!, and You have to just see it for yourselves, until carnage at 1st corner, then i get hit again into railings, get going again to an accident near masta again im at back and just bringing the car home, hate to say much else, apart from when I overtook Bernie and I didnt hit him but he seem to veer off track maybe warp contact?
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2009, 08:22:42 PM +0000 »

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apart from when I overtook Bernie and I didnt hit him but he seem to veer off track maybe warp contact?

Looking at my replay you did hit  Undecided

Looking at server you missed me , but only by a bugs wazzer , you was a bit close really but no matter I owed you one for La Source the previous lap , except I let you back in front there mate  Grin

Seems to be more than a few warp incidents happened for some reason , but more so I think the culprit is the new "tow" which has the effect of sucking you onto the back of the car in front , the effect being amplified at higher speeds (e.g. like Spa) and also when 2 or more cars braking from high speed into a tight corner (e.g.  La source )

The problem with Simm racing is we dont feel the acceleration / deceleration forces , we only have a visual reference which maybe needs re programming in our heads for the new mods effects.

A similar thing occured when the 66 mod first came on line , places like Monza had cars being driven by very experienced racers who suddenly began rear ending each other Oooh! err! mother  Roll Eyes

Well thats my opinion anyway for what thats worth  Cheesy

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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2009, 09:44:59 AM +0000 »


A similar thing occured when the 66 mod first came on line , places like Monza had cars being driven by very experienced racers who suddenly began rear ending each other Oooh! err! mother  Roll Eyes

lol, that was partially the case of "my 2L can brake twice as late as your 3L k thnx"  Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2009, 11:35:32 AM +0000 »

I hope not, but the ALBI first corners can/will give even more problems then on SPA!?!? ???Hez.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2009, 12:09:22 AM +0000 »

check out the 1st lap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rxwBhC65s
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