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March 22, 2009, 09:58:16 PM +0000 - Albi (1959-80) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Division 1
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Reed Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 6 +1.273
113.665mph
1 51:02.279
111.600mph
42 1:12.095
112.864mph
Goodyear  
Will Tway
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +1.094
113.950mph
2 +12.700
111.139mph
42 1:11.862
113.230mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +1.937
112.620mph
3 +20.216
110.868mph
42 1:12.358
112.454mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.103
115.553mph
4 (+4) +33.648
110.387mph
42 1:10.527
115.373mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +2.786
111.312mph
5 +1:09.627
109.119mph
42 1:12.830
111.725mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:10.314
115.723mph
6 (+1) +1L
113.061mph
41 1:10.904
114.760mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +1.773
112.876mph
7 +1:28.905
109.754mph
41 1:11.988
113.032mph
Firestone  
Jack O'Ferrall
 Reed Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 +4.419
108.880mph
8 +2:23.220
107.828mph
41 1:13.568
110.604mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 10 +3.533
110.186mph
9 +2L
106.353mph
40 1:13.397
110.862mph
Firestone  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +0.537
114.845mph
10 +7L
108.034mph
35 1:10.945
114.693mph
Disco
Firestone  
Napo
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 11 +3.837
109.734mph
11 +18L
107.845mph
24 1:12.500
112.233mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Gasper Lednik
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 2 +0.077
115.596mph
12 +35L
111.931mph
7 1:11.433
113.910mph
Disco
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +4.273
109.093mph
13 +38L
95.839mph
4 1:16.567
106.272mph
Disco
Firestone  
1 UKGPL
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 14 15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Since taking on the moderator's role for Div 1 and the instigation of the "Srou court system", life has been fairly quiet for me with only a handful of incidents to comment on.

However, this race has more than made up for that !!

I will apologise in advance for not only the length of this report but also the delay in publishing it, but I think that there are some issues and decisions involved that needed to be carefully considered and explained.

The issues raised from some of the incidents in this race have been debated at some length by the moderator's in private where many views have been expressed. Not only in terms of what was observed at Albi, but also looking forward to see how we might avoid similar situations in the future.
The incidents in the race provoked some lively exchanges on the public forum with members posting comments from both sides of the pit wall. This is naturally quite healthy, provided that things are not allowed to get too personal or entrenched.
The whole purpose of moderation is to diffuse such volatile situations by judging the actions of drivers impartially and resolving contentious incidents as fairly as possible.


The first two reported incidents are what one might call a "normal" subjects for moderation and have been dealt with as such.

The other incidents submitted to the court have been assessed, not only as individual incidents but also as part of a connected series of events involving the same drivers.

The moderators can see no way to edit or publish a rule to specifically cover the situation in this race, that would not surely cause more problems and arguments than it solves in the future. Therefore I have had to apply the rules and penalties as they stood at the start of this race to the incidents as they appeared.

Hindsight ( a powerful tool) suggests that Hristo might have been better advised to allow Jethro to unlap himself, as his lead was so substantial that he was in very little danger of being caught by the second place car.

Jethro appears to have become increasingly frustrated to the point that he made a gross error of judgement in rear ending Hristo and loses further places as a penalty after fighting his way back into the points.

A little red mist seems to have obscured clear thinking as the race progressed.

Over the course of a few laps, both drivers appear to have become severly irritated by the actions of the other, each believing that they were entitled to drive and take up track positions as they did.

Hristo appears to have interpreted the rule referring to drivers being lapped, as meaning that he should not have his race compromised by a lapped car and one can see how that interpretation could be arrived at.
Unfortunately, the rule in question was never formulated to cover an instance such as this, where a potentially faster car that has caught the leader believes it can and should "unlap" itself, as it was generally assumed that the lapped car would by definition be significantly slower.

We cannot have a rule that forbids a car unlapping itself, but similarly, we cannot force the car 1 lap in the lead to yield track position if they do not wish to.
We could have a position where the 2nd place car was only a second or so behind, maybe not close enough to generate blue flags, but close enough that the leading car would not wish to yield his position to a lapped car no matter how fast that was.

From Jethro's viewpoint he felt he had a car that was potentially faster and that he was being deliberately baulked and blocked by Hristo. That in no way mitigates the rear end shunt that ended Hristo's race.
If Jethro had achieved the pass, it is likely that Hristo would have been able to stay in his slipstream long enough to cause Jethro to be shown blue flags, forcing Jethro to yield position and start the whole scene over again.

As a result, both were at times guilty, to varying degrees at different times, of "Ungentlemanly Conduct" and/or "Aggressive driving".
There is within the rules, the option of disqualifying both drivers from the results on these grounds alone.


However, (in the belief that this will not be repeated or carried forward)
on top of the penalties accrued for their transgressions of the rules that were in force at the start of this race, I propose an official warning to both drivers for the next 3 Division 1 races that their conduct on the track will be monitored and if the moderators believe that there are instances where driving standards are not maintained an appropriate penalty will be applied irrespective of any report to the court system.

















Server replay time: 0h42m40s

1)42:40
Turn 1
Jethro is attempting to pass evilclive and moves to the inside line.
Clive thinks that he has left enough room for the Lotus to pass and keeps just about to the left hand side of the circuit as he turns in. Jethro appears to have gone in too deep and drifts wide at the apex, collecting the Honda and taking them both into the haybales on the outside of the circuit


side by side contact
1 place penalty



Server replay time: 0h42m45s

Clive's Honda rebounds from the haybales and runs backwards across the circuit and off of the racing line ( Clive allows this to continue until he is against the grass on the inside and out of the way) before attempting to restart and assess any damage.
Meanwhile Jethro who was against the haybales on the outside of the circuit attempts to rejoin the tarmac. Unfortunately Bernie is taking the racing line through T1 and is confronted with the rear of a very slow moving Lotus. Both cars are bounced against the haybales.

Jethro did try to stay as far off the circuit as possible whilst attempting a re-join, but unfortunately his car is only visible to Bernie at the last moment.

Whilst Jethro and Bernie re-compose themselves Clive makes good his escape and Hristo laps both of the stranded cars.

Although Jethro's rejoin cannot be described as "reckless", the rules state that he should remain stationary until he is sure tha the track behind is clear.

Bad rejoin - 1 place penalty


Server replay time: 0h49m53s

S/F straight
By this point in the race Hristo had lapped Jethro when he was involved in the "off" with Clive. Jethro has managed to close the gap over several laps and has attempted 3 or 4 passing moves to "unlap" himself, so far without success.
Jethro gets a better drive out of the last corner and is clearly gaining on Hristo as the approach the s/f line. He would in my opinion got alongside H before T1 ( whether or not he could have outbraked H, having failed at several other corners is open to conjecture).
However, H pulls across in front of J to take the inside line, a single move which he was entitled to make. Jethro swings to the outside of the circuit to press his attack, but H weaves back in front of him, which is now moving into the realms of weaving and blocking and Hristo prevents Jethro from getting alongside.

The published rules in force at the start of this race expressly forbid weaving and blocking under ANY circumstances.

The problem that we have here is somewhat unique in the history of UKGPL, and has caused the moderators to burn much midnight oil in trying to come devise a new ruling(s) that would cover this situation.

Clearly, a driver must be permitted to "unlap" himself if he is able to do so, otherwise we might as well decree that once lapped a driver MUST hold station regardless of the speed of the leaders car.

By the same token, one cannot rule that the leading car MUST "give way" and allow the pass to take place.






Server replay time: 0h50m23s

50:23
Jethro again gets a better drive onto the main straight with the Lotus and picks up the slipstream from the Honda.
As he moves to the left of the track to line up the pass H also moves left, but only to half way across the track in a single move
(quite legal).
There is still more than enough room for the Lotus to continue and contest the braking zone for DD.
Jethro appears to lift slightly when H moves left and (he may have thought that H was going to blatantly block him, but he did not) J loses momentum and the possible attempted pass and H clearly outbrakes J into DD.
The demon braking from the inside line sends H a little wide between the two apexes and J takes his car very wide on the first apex allowing him to straighten the second and get a quicker exit.
As they approach the right hand kink after DD, H still has a clear lead and is entitled to take the racing line through the apex of the corner. J meanwhile is clearly travelling faster after his better exit from DD and is closing quickly on the rear of the Honda.
Until the point of contact I cannot discern any attempt to reduce or check the speed of the Lotus nor can I detect anything but full acceleration from H. J runs into the rear wheel of the Honda at the apex of the corner.
The initial contact pushes H sideways and he somehow manages to prevent a spin but is in a slide. The impact causes J to also run wide and follow the sliding Honda hitting the same rear wheel again and removing it. Although J lifts off the throttle he does not seem to brake. H is forced to retire and J continues.

This was a blatant rear end shunt under acceleration.
Whether born out of sheer frustration or a totally misjudged attempt to set up a passing opportunity is questionable.
What is not in doubt is that as a result the clear leader was taken out of the race with only a very short distance to go.


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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2009, 07:45:42 PM +0000 »

Not my best race - don't know if it was me being slower than in clubmans or just everyone else being quicker, but I just couldn't seem to hold a good pace. Oddly GPLRA says I was 2nd in the consistency stakes behind a very impressive effort by Sam  I Am Not Worthy despite my SnG towards the latter half of the race.
Qualified fairly low down - 8th or something - but made up a few spaces over the course of the first 10 laps or so.
Found myself behind Sam after a bit and managed to chase and almost challenge him for 6 laps or so before I melted the front left tyre and started loosing confidence through the first corner sequence.... From there I was just concentrating on holding position and hoping the pit stops taken by people ahead in faster cars would benifit me - they did. I soon found myself in 4th and still within 4 seconds of Sam approaching the halfway mark. Pitted with 15 to go which allowed Will to sneak by - again I just couldn't fight the Honda into pulling him back.
I had to concentrate again on trying to achieve the best lap times I could to try and hold position in 4th (Jethro had dropped back in his first pit stop gifting me 3rd for 15laps or so). Going by the gap back it all looked slightly worrying up until Jethro either pitted or span off somewhere, after which he wasn't gaining fast enough to have any real chance of catching me .
Supprised I did as well as I had considering I felt I wasn't driving too well at the time.
Congrats to all finishers and bad luck Hristo  Smiley


Even if he had not hit me and ended my race he already breached the rule of challenging my lead after falling a lap down.

Sorry H, but there is no such rule barring a driver unlapping themselves either here in UKGPL (yes, I've just read them all) or in any real world motorsport I'm aware of.
Infact the opposite is more true as at most drivers briefings I've been present at in RL, the Steward would suggest that drivers treat cars on different laps much the same as they'd be expected to on a trackday.
I.E. if someone's appeared behind you (even a lap/2 down) and you havn't just passed them, then they're almost certainly faster and you would normally allow them by if they make a firm move.
Unlike when being lapped there is no solid ruling on this in writing, but it is often encouraged at race meets to avoid exactly the incident yourself and Jethro suffered.
I realise however that the circumstances behind J's closing on you, and your respective lap times leading up to that event would hardly make a clear cut case for one or the other of you being quicker and therefore yielding.

Sorry if I sound harsh (and of course for siding with the round eye's hammer) I'm not having a dig but I felt this point suitably important not to pass it over  ninja
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2009, 09:12:09 PM +0000 »

For the record Hristo, there is no mention in the rules about no blocking / weaving only being valid when you're passing for position. As I interpret it, and I think others do, it's a blanket "no weaving / blocking". The fact you nearly ran me off the road twice also irks me.

Dude, i'm talking about general accepted rules for behaviour on track, they're not written in particular, it's a sporting agreement...
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2009, 09:26:48 PM +0000 »

You don't need to have an exactly written rule to follow a sporting behaviour, do you? Unless the driver who is lapped is much faster than the car on the leading lap that is ahead, they have no right to pass or attack. It's not like Jethro was easily passing me and I blocked. He raced me side by side and could never complete his attempts to pass me. He's not in a position to force me to slow down and let him by just to have him blocking my way afterwards.

Irvine attempting a risky pass on Senna in 93 Suzuka GP is a good example of that, except he did it just once against Jethro doing it repeatedly for 3 laps straight until he took me out of the race. Was Irvine faster than Senna? Slightly, maybe, doesn't matter. Even for that he got the flaming and a punch.

After someone has a near perfect race and laps someone who has made a bunch of errors, you tell me who has the right to keep their pace and chose their lines without putting the leader at a risk repeatedly. Should I remind you that if I didn't react as I did on couple of occasions Jethro would've taken me out or at least collide with me much earlier than when it happened?

If we're to follow written only rules there'd be no end to problems on track... but I guess sportsmanship isn't a valid thing to some, well I'd know from now on to treat them differently when racing.

If you're so much into rules, I'll quote this one:

*If a driver is following a slower car, they should remember that they will brake earlier than the faster car.

Considering the differences between the Honda and the Lotus does that mean that any time I lap someone in a Lotus or similar car they should race me on the following straight simply because their engine allows it or I'm not willing to use the full power as to save engine, or I brake slightly earlier because of the car weight difference? There'd be no end to lapping and unlapping especially when the pace is as close as it was with Jethro and myself.

Anyway, I'm leaving it to the moderators to judge it, but as long as I hear ridiculous opinions like yours I won't keep quiet about it.

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2009, 02:27:22 PM +0000 »

You don't need to have an exactly written rule to follow a sporting behaviour, do you?

no you don't , however there is a written rule about blocking which you have said yourself that you haven't followed .

I'm all for sporting behavior thats why i cant stand weaving .

however it looks to me that what you did wasn't so much sportsmanship as gamesmanship , all this talk of "I tried to remind him he should back off by doing a bit of weaving and blocking him" and "get him back down to Earth" sounds to me like you wanted to give JW a lesson .

you still haven't said whether you think weaving and blocking is being rather silly and dangerous in a league race ?

Unless the driver who is lapped is much faster than the car on the leading lap that is ahead, they have no right to pass or attack.

they have a right to race and to go as fast as they like.


Irvine attempting a risky pass on Senna in 93 Suzuka GP is a good example of that, except he did it just once against Jethro doing it repeatedly for 3 laps straight until he took me out of the race. Was Irvine faster than Senna? Slightly, maybe, doesn't matter. Even for that he got the flaming and a punch.

sounds like you think your Senna , however Senna was a great driver and if i remember rightly decided to let the other car unlap them selfs .

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2009, 06:27:56 PM +0000 »

You don't need to have an exactly written rule to follow a sporting behaviour, do you? Unless the driver who is lapped is much faster than the car on the leading lap that is ahead, they have no right to pass or attack. It's not like Jethro was easily passing me and I blocked. He raced me side by side and could never complete his attempts to pass me. He's not in a position to force me to slow down and let him by just to have him blocking my way afterwards.

Irvine attempting a risky pass on Senna in 93 Suzuka GP is a good example of that, except he did it just once against Jethro doing it repeatedly for 3 laps straight until he took me out of the race. Was Irvine faster than Senna? Slightly, maybe, doesn't matter. Even for that he got the flaming and a punch.

After someone has a near perfect race and laps someone who has made a bunch of errors, you tell me who has the right to keep their pace and chose their lines without putting the leader at a risk repeatedly. Should I remind you that if I didn't react as I did on couple of occasions Jethro would've taken me out or at least collide with me much earlier than when it happened?

If we're to follow written only rules there'd be no end to problems on track... but I guess sportsmanship isn't a valid thing to some, well I'd know from now on to treat them differently when racing.

If you're so much into rules, I'll quote this one:

*If a driver is following a slower car, they should remember that they will brake earlier than the faster car.

Considering the differences between the Honda and the Lotus does that mean that any time I lap someone in a Lotus or similar car they should race me on the following straight simply because their engine allows it or I'm not willing to use the full power as to save engine, or I brake slightly earlier because of the car weight difference? There'd be no end to lapping and unlapping especially when the pace is as close as it was with Jethro and myself.

Anyway, I'm leaving it to the moderators to judge it, but as long as I hear ridiculous opinions like yours I won't keep quiet about it.

-=Hristo=-

I take major issue with that Hristo, because the first time you screwed up the exit of T3 and the kink, you were slower on the straight. I was perfect onto the straight, had a little tow, pulled alongside, braked in my normal place, and then found you inside of me slamming on the anchors up the inside of me. You did the same thing to me into Parc, and again the next lap, and again a couple laps later. Braking late at the last corner left a gap, which I went for so's not to hit you.

Since you're quoting rules out of context, might I remind you of one or two:

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Blocking is not allowed, but defensive driving is allowed. If a driver moves off the racing line before the car behind attempts to overtake, this is defensive driving. If they move off the racing line after the car behind has started to move across to overtake, this is blocking. If a driver is driving defensively they may move off the line and back onto it only once per straight/section.

If an overtaking driver has any part of their car beside another as they enter a corner, the driver being overtaken should not move across; they should give the overtaking car room and go through the corner side by side, or let them through into the corner and try to re-take them at the exit.

More than once you blocked. But take heed of the second rule quoted please, it applies to lapped cars too.
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2009, 08:14:14 PM +0000 »

You don't need to have an exactly written rule to follow a sporting behaviour, do you?

no you don't , however there is a written rule about blocking which you have said yourself that you haven't followed .

I'm all for sporting behavior thats why i cant stand weaving .

however it looks to me that what you did wasn't so much sportsmanship as gamesmanship , all this talk of "I tried to remind him he should back off by doing a bit of weaving and blocking him" and "get him back down to Earth" sounds to me like you wanted to give JW a lesson .

you still haven't said whether you think weaving and blocking is being rather silly and dangerous in a league race ?

Unless the driver who is lapped is much faster than the car on the leading lap that is ahead, they have no right to pass or attack.

they have a right to race and to go as fast as they like.


Irvine attempting a risky pass on Senna in 93 Suzuka GP is a good example of that, except he did it just once against Jethro doing it repeatedly for 3 laps straight until he took me out of the race. Was Irvine faster than Senna? Slightly, maybe, doesn't matter. Even for that he got the flaming and a punch.

sounds like you think your Senna , however Senna was a great driver and if i remember rightly decided to let the other car unlap them selfs .

john

 

How is that I think I'm Senna? I was giving you a very similar example I could think of. You can go and find what he says about such behaviour from backmarkers and if you disagree with that as well, then I don't know.

No, I don't accept blocking either, but as I already said I did it after suffering for 2 laps of nearly being taken out, being put at risk at almost each corner. I don't see a single logical reason for this to happen and to have a lapped car putting me (or whoever if it happens to someone else) at such risk, especially when in the lead and having nearly won a race.

Apparently you're ignoring what I said that it's one thing letting by a car to unlap itself for being much faster and quite another to let a car that is on similar pace as you, a car that you just lapped, despite you going actually slower than your real pace. What, you're going to say I should totally slow down, go against my own pace and rhythm, to let a hothead who has already made a bunch of mistakes to end up being lapped through? I don't think so.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2009, 08:18:46 PM +0000 »

Why should I suddenly penalise myself just because I made a few mistakes during a race? A perfect race from my standpoint is hard to come by, and the fact that my pace up til then was very good and consistent appears to have no merits (from a personal view, you saying that "I forfeit all rights to race with the leaders after going a lap down" is a very very one-minded attitude), why you then suddenly upped your pace to try and keep me behind doesn't make sense. If as you said you'd slowed down, then you should have been fine with me going past you since I'd have been able to pull away at around a second a lap since I was still racing - racing the guys behind and in front, and you prevented that.
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2009, 08:21:09 PM +0000 »

Jethro, you're mistakenly seeing the less efficient acceleration and the necessary short-shifting due to machinery differences as blocking. I only blocked you twice and that was after 2 whole laps of having you harass me without managing to even complete a passing move and expecting me to just totally ease off to let you go as if I was the backmarker. Apparently you never, even for a moment, thought what you were doing was incorrect, so I had no choice but to act the same. And as I mentioned, you ignore the fact that I actually had to do the opposite of blocking in the previous laps to avoid a collision or two as you were unable to act in a safer way.
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2009, 08:25:58 PM +0000 »

Why should I suddenly penalise myself just because I made a few mistakes during a race? A perfect race from my standpoint is hard to come by, and the fact that my pace up til then was very good and consistent appears to have no merits (from a personal view, you saying that "I forfeit all rights to race with the leaders after going a lap down" is a very very one-minded attitude), why you then suddenly upped your pace to try and keep me behind doesn't make sense. If as you said you'd slowed down, then you should have been fine with me going past you since I'd have been able to pull away at around a second a lap since I was still racing - racing the guys behind and in front, and you prevented that.

You're wrong to think you were faster. You only had a go at me because you were able to catch slipstream and due to my slight mistake soon after I lapped you. Had I let you go I'd have had to ease off even more than I had already as to not have you blocking my road ahead and you would've been getting blue flags instead. What were you going to do then, let me by again just to Lotus power me down the next straight? I don't agree that the leader of the race should set his pace according to what backmarkers do just to let them have it their way unhindered. When two cars are having their own pace but one is being lapped it's obvious who has more right to the road and who has to give way. You say you had consistent race, right? To fall a whole lap down takes a big loss of time and that only means that despite your pace and consistency you must've made big mistakes because the last time I saw you before that you were some seconds ahead of me in the lead.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2009, 08:29:06 PM +0000 »

Please have a look at the fastest lap of the race (replay is online on UKGPL Replays section somewhere, the report's been exported), and what laps I had been able to churn out. My pace following you was actually slower (1:12 as opposed to the 1:11s and 1:10s I had been doing in clear air.

And you ran up the inside of me on the brakes twice in one lap when I was expecting to be let go!!!!!! I had to avoid colliding into you.
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2009, 08:34:43 PM +0000 »

Please have a look at the fastest lap of the race (replay is online on UKGPL Replays section somewhere, the report's been exported), and what laps I had been able to churn out. My pace following you was actually slower (1:12 as opposed to the 1:11s and 1:10s I had been doing in clear air.

And you ran up the inside of me on the brakes twice in one lap when I was expecting to be let go!!!!!! I had to avoid colliding into you.

Lol, how were you going to have 11s and 10s if you were in clean air when you had a 12s behind me and that was already at the end of the race? Makes no sense. I could've easily had a low 12 with a tow and a bit more use of revs. And should I remind you when you tried that insane pass on the grass out of T2 and didn't care to lift up risking both of our races? How could you be expecting me to let go when you're the backmarker?! How can you say I ran up the inside when you were the one attempting a pass and I was merely taking a line on the inside. Complete nonsense.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2009, 08:52:00 PM +0000 »

Gentlemen

I suggest this debate has gone on long enough.  This is one for the moderators to sort out and I would be grateful if you would commit to accepting the moderator's decision what ever it may be.  There have been a lot of quotations from the rules but may I remind you that the rules are not and never can be completely exhaustive.  There is always room for interpretation.  The penalty guidelines are there to help moderators apply the rules consistently but there would need to be an infinite number of scenarios to cover all eventualities.  

Please put this incident aside and let the moderators deal with it.  As for tonight's race and subsequent races, please stay cool and courteous.  If you have a grievance do not try to resolve it on the track or in chat, let the moderators deal with it.  Concentrate on your own race and let the moderators worry about everyone else.

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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2009, 01:24:12 PM +0000 »

Aww!

Just as things was hotting up too , I for one was starting to enjoy this  Grin


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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2009, 03:58:23 PM +0000 »

Aww!

Just as things was hotting up too , I for one was starting to enjoy this  Grin


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Everyone knows that million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10. Why the hell do I keep crashing then?!
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« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2009, 01:53:30 AM +0000 »

Is there gonna be a rough timeframe for moderation on this one?
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Everyone knows that million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10. Why the hell do I keep crashing then?!
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