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April 19, 2009, 09:38:05 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Inter League
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Tifosi312
 AtlasF1
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 2 +0.055
139.667mph
1 53:15.646
136.830mph
34 1:32.611
138.867mph
Firestone  
Border Reiver
 AtlasF1
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 1 1:32.025
139.751mph
2 +0.061
136.827mph
34 1:32.499
139.035mph
Firestone  
john roberts
 AtlasF1
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 4 +0.832
138.499mph
3 +0.158
136.823mph
34 1:32.439
139.125mph
Goodyear  
Arturo Pereira
 AtlasF1
Honda RA273 F1 1966 6 +1.528
137.468mph
4 +38.752
135.190mph
34 1:34.262
136.434mph
Goodyear  
sbart_uk
 UKGPL
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 9 +1.654
137.284mph
5 +1:01.940
134.228mph
34 1:34.837
135.607mph
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 UKGPL
BRM P83 F1 1966 10 +1.959
136.838mph
6 +1:02.521
134.204mph
34 1:33.821
137.076mph
Goodyear  
Bob66 Berman
 AtlasF1
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 14 +2.412
136.182mph
7 +1:24.591
133.301mph
34 1:34.469
136.135mph
Firestone  
Patrik 66 Lindqvist
 AtlasF1
McLaren M2B (Ford) F1 1966 13 +2.292
136.355mph
8 +1L
132.323mph
33 1:34.629
135.905mph
Firestone  
Samb
 UKGPL
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 5 +1.470
137.554mph
9 +0.104
132.318mph
33 1:34.713
135.785mph
Firestone  
Will Tway
 UKGPL
Lotus 33 (BRM) F1 1966 16 +3.262
134.967mph
10 +45.026
130.491mph
33 1:36.588
133.149mph
Firestone  
natan5
 AtlasF1
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 15 +3.247
134.988mph
11 +22L
130.227mph
12 1:36.393
133.418mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 UKGPL
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 18 +4.657
133.019mph
12 +29L
128.098mph
5 1:36.557
133.192mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 UKGPL
Honda RA273 F1 1966 3 +0.673
138.736mph
13 +34L
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Disco
Goodyear  
MikeBeattie
 UKGPL
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 8 +1.652
137.286mph
14
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0 ---
---
Disco
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 UKGPL
McLaren M2B (Ford) F1 1966 7 +1.603
137.358mph
15
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0 ---
---
accident
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 UKGPL
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 11 +1.999
136.780mph
16
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0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
Ignacio Genta 66
 AtlasF1
BRM P83 F1 1966 12 +2.123
136.600mph
17
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0 ---
---
Disco
Goodyear  
D Clayton
 AtlasF1
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 17 +3.314
134.893mph
18
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
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Firestone  
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« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2009, 04:51:47 AM +0100 »

Good points there, Dave.

I'm all up for using 65 mod, IMO it has the upper hand on the 66 mod atm mainly because of the much more realistic slipstreaming model. I wish 66 (I dunno the situation with 69s) would have its slipstream toned down eventually, at least as a separate version perhaps. It's quite frustrating when you loose the slipstream of a pack of cars in 66 mod, they simply disappear into the distance.

As for assigning cars, I'd like people to state their prefered 2 (or more) chassis as it makes it easier for me. I'm not a super geek who drives all cars in all mods, my experience is mainly with the slower cars so sometimes I have to do some guessing and the more information I'm provided - the easier. But drivers shouldn't expect to always get their prefered cars and thus should be prepared to drive anything. I'm against assigning permanent cars for the whole length of the series, but if there is a majority that supports the idea, I'll go along. I think the situation differs in each race much more than normal because of the higher number of unknown factors involved - 2 leagues, lack of information on the opposition, differing car-track combos, even different team members as we can see...

Regarding technical problems ... or any other... as I said already, it happens to anyone, but by leaving it all for the last moment you're not entitled to make any claims, so instead take responsibility. I for one do regularly skip pre-race practice altogether and often have to install tracks (and sometimes even mods or tools), learn them, make setups, all in the last moment, but it's totally my own responsibility and my choice ultimately. As is missing a race, something which I've also done a lot and the only thing you can do in that case is to apologize or just keep quiet.

JR, I think team slipstream is an ok thing to do, honestly I don't think qualifying makes much of a difference at a track like Monza, so personally it doesn't worry me and the result was decided by the mass crashes on lap 1 rather than your team effort in qualifying. Kudos for doing what you did, you must've either practiced it a lot or it was just good luck. I have tried doing similar, with just 2 people, not 3, and it was very difficult to synchronize.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2009, 08:21:23 AM +0100 »

I certainly have no issue with the slipstreaming cartel in practice..a good move as far as I was concerned.

After all I gained some benefit from it, although you guys could have done a couple more laps and allowed me to get right up with you Roll Eyes

If UKGPL is to have a settled team, it does raise some issues IMHO

a) if the team line up is based on an optimum 9 drivers, we also need dedicated reserves who will always be on stand by and may rarely race.

b) would not such a set up prevent other drivers from getting a chance of driving in these races?

c) It would remove the surprise element from the competition, as when you see a new name you do not know what you are up against until you are on track together..which is half the fun.

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« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2009, 06:27:04 PM +0100 »

The slipstreaming packs were part of Grand Prix racing of the sixties, I doubt that organised slipstreaming can be considered any worse than simply waiting to pull out of the pits at the appropriate time..  

My observation was intended to express surprise that Clive on cold tyres could get close enough to get an advantage from the three cars that went past him as he pulled out of the pits, I considered that to be an unusual feature to the 66 mod.  I doubt that you could catch three cars slipstreaming each other in a patched 65 mod car that had just pulled out of the pits, I'd like to see the results of an attempt.

The 65 mod had far too little tow and 5% higher top speed, and the mod team only corrected one of these aspects rather than both, however the slipstream applied to the 65 mod seems much more acceptable than that of the 66 mod.  Otherwise the 66 mod has more features and is clearly the better made mod, the 65 mod doesn't even have the right physics for the included variants of the main seven cars.  The slipstream difference between the mods just seems huge for the difference in top speeds.

I've never made any secret of my preference that drivers stay with a chassis all season, however with the Interleagues last season there were requests for different chassis and I hope that I was able to satisfy everyone.  If you'd prefer to organise the team separately on each race thread, the only problem is that I like to confirm the details with the other league before I post the thread, so I can't promise that it'll always be up straight after the race before.
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« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2009, 10:53:53 PM +0100 »

Well there are a few differences between real life slipstream packs (let's say, in qualifying) and in GPL. They had 2 hours sessions in reality, they were, the majority at least, top drivers (or they won't be in F1) and they were rarely driving on the very limit for safety reasons (even the cars were setuped with safety in mind).

In GPL you not only have to avoid making mistakes if you're the following car so you don't loose the stream or if you're ahead so you don't ruin the lap of the driver behind, but you also have to complete the lap after taking tow without any mistakes or the time won't be as good as a clean lap, even one without a tow.

So it definitely has to be practiced and perfected, especially if not Pribluda is used. And also, I think drivers should be combined within similar paces so it all goes as smooth as possible.

Well, with that said, it's true you don't need to be much close to get a good tow in the 66 mod, so that's an exception somewhat.
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« Reply #79 on: April 22, 2009, 07:54:02 AM +0100 »

Maybe the reason that I was able to catch the " Slipstream Club" was exactly as Hristo suggested..any small error by the cars involved effectively spoils the lap, plus the fact that my setup was very heavily biased towards slipstreaming in view of the Monza layout.
The Honda, on paper at least, is about the most powerful car in 66 ( not necessarily the fastest) so I was hoping to use the slipstream to  stay in contention and bide my time...but that didn't work did it!!??

I think the idea of sticking with the same chassis through the season may be historically more accurate for the purist, but is a total non starter in these interleague races unless ALL teams adopt the same ruling, and that  is unlikely.
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« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2009, 04:08:55 PM +0100 »

Just seen the teams, wasn't Natan driving for Atlas and Stuart for UKGPL?
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« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2009, 05:36:18 PM +0100 »

Just seen the teams, wasn't Natan driving for Atlas and Stuart for UKGPL?

That's correct, Stuart replaced Napo.
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