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May 19, 2009, 09:36:43 PM +0100 - Lime Rock (mountain) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Historic Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Dave Randall
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 5 +1.798
101.896mph
1 41:31.791
101.224mph
24 1:42.252
102.781mph
Firestone  
Tifosi312
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 4 +1.784
101.910mph
2 +0.397
101.208mph
24 1:42.618
102.414mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 3 +1.459
102.232mph
3 +10.009
100.819mph
24 1:42.516
102.516mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 8 +3.728
100.024mph
4 +47.246
99.341mph
24 1:43.281
101.757mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 6 +2.078
101.620mph
5 +55.740
99.009mph
24 1:43.437
101.603mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 7 +3.183
100.546mph
6 +1:14.797
98.274mph
24 1:45.225
99.877mph
Goodyear  
BookieW
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 10 +6.233
97.695mph
7 +2L
92.548mph
22 1:49.641
95.854mph
Goodyear  
MikeBeattie
 Drake Racing
Lotus 33 (BRM) F1 1966 2 +0.914
102.777mph
8 +15L
99.512mph
9 1:42.710
102.323mph
Disco
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 9 +4.303
99.480mph
9 +18.765
97.586mph
9 1:45.739
99.391mph
Disco
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 1 1:41.342
103.704mph
10 +21L
100.322mph
3 1:42.268
102.765mph
Header
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  
6 UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 11 12 ---
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Firestone  

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A clean race with no reported incidents.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
1:41.342
103.704mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966)May 19, 2009, 09:36:43 PM +0100
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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
1:42.252
102.781mph
Dave Randall
Race
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966)May 19, 2009, 09:36:43 PM +0100
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« on: May 16, 2009, 10:55:20 PM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 17 - Historic Division - Race 6 - 66 mod - Lime Rock (mountain)


Race date = 16-05-2009
Server IP Address 80.5.200.198
Time = 21:00
Track = Lime Rock (mountain)
Variant = 66F1,  2L engines
Damage Model = PRO
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long

Group I
T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM   


Group II
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM   
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt

Drivers restricted to Group I:Hristo Itchov, Mike Beattie, Clive Gardner and Dave Randall.


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(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 07:25:59 PM +0100 »

I am so NOT looking forward to this. The original LRP is a fun track, this just infuriates me! Grin
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 09:42:06 PM +0100 »

Short race for me, engine just died without drama after a few laps. Says "header" as a cause. I don't think I was pushing it, just driving normally, so just one of those days.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 10:26:43 PM +0100 »

Hehe Smiley

I did not notice the >2.7 restriction and joined via igor in the 312.
Igor had all choices open so it was obviously not set up right.

As it happens although I could blow past everyone on the straight my overal lap time was slower that what I do in the 246. This was confirmed by Dave in a 2lt Lotus who held on to me for the whole race.
Unfortnately I had not allowed enough gas and started to run dry on the last lap. Dave was able to pass my spluttering Ferrari and take the win by 0.4 of a sec.

Grats Dave and all finishers.


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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 11:13:06 PM +0100 »

Messed my race up.

Bernie span in front, while Jethro was trying an overtake, not sure if they touched.  I thought I got by OK, didn't feel any contact but the car didn't feel the same after I passed close by to Bernie's spinning car.  Sorry if I held you up Fulvio, I wasn't trying to block you, honest.  I was just all over the place for some reason.

Ran pathetically wide in the last turn and flipped the car on the bank.  Very weird.

WD to those who finished.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 12:28:04 AM +0100 »

Was having a good race with Steve and Fulvio, then Jethro's BRM ,who was playing catch up after a spin , caught back up with us on around L10 and then rather rudely I thought,  rear ended me in his hurry to pass going into the braking zone for the fast downhill R/H one eighty,  I did a quick 360 spin and carried on though after that my car was never the same, felt a little wierd like kind of with understeery coming out of corners, I gradually dropped back but had a lonely but clear run into P6 once  Steve, who was going very well , had crashed out .
Pity cause it had the makings of a good un !

It was good to finish in one piece on this tricky little circuit which I have to add is a blast to drive in the 66's but I need to work on the set up as my lap times were way off the pace .

Grats to the Pod and all them what finished , commiserations to them what didn't and better luck next time.

Until then remember ......

"A clown in the circus is funny"  "On the road he's dangerous"  Roll Eyes

[who said that then ]   laugh

   
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 12:36:32 AM +0100 »

Not sure what happened to me in this race, I seemed to be involved in a couple incidents that were due to early braking that completely caught me out.

Qualy was alright, I was aiming for 42s but couldn't get below a 43, and the 43.4 was about right for pace. It put me 5th on the grid.

Start was good, got up to 5th by T1, then Hristo dropped out and I was 3rd, then my memory's a bit fuzzy but I remember hitting Mike gently at the hairpin halfway round the lap after he braked a little early and I couldn't avoid him. I went and had my own accident, and ended up near the back! Chastised myself for such a stupid cockup, but carried on.

Coming up to a couple cars, I did OK in S1, then coming down to that 3rd-gear right-hander in S2, Bernie's gearbox rapidly closes on the nose of my BRM and I have to take avoiding action down the inside of him otherwise I'm off. No idea if we touched, no idea what actually happened, will check replay as soon as it's up, I didn't save mine.

To finish 5th was OK despite the drop-outs and reduced grid, to finish 50 seconds or so down on the winner irked me somewhat, as I made 3 fundamental cockups and couldn't recover from them. Guess it's what I get for not practicing these cars enough. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 06:12:35 PM +0100 »

Engine popped on me about 5 laps or so into the race. The Ferraris had a big advantage on the long front straight, though seemed a handful in the twisty stuff, where my Lotus 33 BRM could catch them. Paul git through in the charge to T1, as I had to lift to stay behind Hristo, but didn't pull far enough over to block the inside line.

Luckily I used my mirrors into the Hairpin as an over enthusiastic approch by the BRM saw it sail up the inside and way past the corner Smiley

Paul was holding me up thru the twisty bits, and this let the next Ferrari close, I then spun and was back to fourth chasing Tim (?), he had just run wide into T2 at the top of the hill and in my eagerness to get the jump on him I must have full power shifted and Bang that was that.

Hadn't done too much running at this track, and frankly I don't rate it as an Online race venue, too many off camber corners, blind brows and no braking marks. Please reconsider its future.

And on my own side, I should probably have used the little Eagle, rather than the twitchy L33....Ah the benefits of 20/20 Hindsight  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 06:35:33 PM +0100 »

Personally I love LRM - It's as much a test of mental stamina as driving skill  Smiley

Thought I could make a fair showing of myself for this and was happy to get 3rd on the grid (car wasn't really right in qualifying guise so was actually quicker in race trim  Roll Eyes)

Got a great start and was even half a hair ahead of H for a second or so in T1, think we entered T2 side-by-side before diving off down the hill. I was still sticking to my side of the track as who-ever was behind was too close for me to safely pull back in, this resulted in me messing up my entry to the long downhill right hander where I fell off  hammer

Now dead last I re-started the chase back up the pack - fought my way cleanly upto 3rd through a combination of legit passes and others mistakes.
At one point I closed to within about 4 seconds of the leaders but then span at the T2 hairpin as Mike mentioned above - this dropped me back to about 9 seconds behind.
The gap wobbled about between 7 seconds and 10 through the rest of the race but I could never claw them back and hold the advantage long enough to close.....

Congrats on a good close finish to the leaders (even the unintentional cheat  Tongue  Grin) and well done all finishers  angel
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 11:49:42 PM +0100 »

Once I had found a friendly setup I also much enjoyed this circuit which I only downloaded two days prior to race and was pleased to get my speed up to within the usual (slightly less than good enough to win on my own merits) pace!

I knew that my only chance was make no mistakes and take full advantage of others boobies which seemed to be in plentiful supply the first few laps ;-)  Hristo was unfortunate to damage his engine as he was taking it so easy at his usual world beating pace up front!  Hristo, please refrain from damaging our self esteem even further when you pull off into the distance to tell us afterwards how easy you were taking it.  It doesn't help! Roll Eyes

After a few laps I was surprised to find I had some welcome space behind and just Paul to beat in front.  I managed to stay on his tail and even got in front briefly when he half spun but he breezed back past down the straight.  This was a bit frustrating as I managed most laps to close a bit on the twisty and jumpy bits but even with my best final turn exits couldn't seem to get a drag down the straight.  It didn't occur to me that he'd taken the 3L, although as he said the overall lap times do not seem quicker at this track, and this does seem to be confirmed on GPL rank.  Anyway on the last lap he did a Ferrari/Massa to run low on fuel and he conceded the win.  Grin  Bad luck Paul and thanks for the close dicing fun for so many laps, you took all the pressure infuriatingly well!


 
 
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 12:51:19 AM +0100 »

Right, I have to apologise to the following people.

Paul and Mike for the first lap screwup into the hairpin, this was due to me braking just a tad late (really just a smidgen, I was braking there all race) and Mike and Paul braking comparitively early; I dived straight for the inside and prayed I didn't hit anybody. Sorry for that!

Bernie for the touch into that downhill right-hander, I braked normally for it (about where the marshall was), then found your gearbox fast approaching when you braked rather early, and I had to take evasive action; again I dived for the inside of the corner and hoped I didn't hit anything. Unfortunately that didn't quite work out. If I'd stayed online, I'd have rear-ended you properly, and you'd have still been mad! Apologies to you. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 12:01:41 PM +0100 »

"It didn't occur to me that he'd taken the 3L, although as he said the overall lap times do not seem quicker at this track, and this does seem to be confirmed on GPL rank."

Gee, that explains a lot, I wondered why he was losing me on the straights. Certainly it was darn slow in the twisty bits.

Should there not be a select list of cars available, or are we stuck with the the full Mod list of 3L & sub 3 Ls when using the 66?


How about a re-run !!!!

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 12:42:27 PM +0100 »

I don't think there's any room for discussion regarding wrong car choice. The race announcement clearly states the type of cars, 2L or 3L, that are allowed. More than that, it lists the exact cars that everyone can take according to their position in the championship.

It doesn't matter if the server allows taking a faster car or not. In the end if someone wants they can even run 69s or 67s or whatever. Paul knows well we run 2L and 3L separately. We never run mixed races in this championship. Yet he assumed he can take a 3L, which would imply he thought all of us were running 3L?

If Paul entered the server I assume he read the password at the race announcement page. It's up to everyone to read that before each race and take the correct chassis. Shame about Paul's wrong car choice, but it doesn't change the fact he broke a rule, regardless if it's intentional or not. I don't know what penalties are given for such situation, that's up to the moderators, but personally I don't see any reasonable excuse here that could be a mitigating factor. What if it was on a track that 3Ls have a huge advantage over 2L? Does judgment change according to race results?

Re-run in my opinion is out of question.

Nothing personal, Paul, but if I ever do what you did I'll ask for my own DQ and not look for excuses. Anything less doesn't sound reasonable to me... but anyway, up to moderators.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 01:28:58 PM +0100 »

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Unfortunately that didn't quite work out. If I'd stayed online, I'd have rear-ended you properly, and you'd have still been mad! Apologies to you.

Mad ! Me ! I aint mad , a little insane at times maybe  Wink

As some may remember I have already had quite a rant on the subject of being ingratiously rear ended , even my old sparring partner Burt got a dose of the "alonso abuse" treatment, Aspjern being another and I know he'se having a bad time right now .
Have to say that now I'm just resigned to the fact that shit happens , Its really up to you guys to follow the rules of good driver conduct and drive accordingly , though we all can make errors of judgement from time to time, some seem to hog the privalage more than others.

But no point in me banging on about a subject thats already done to death elsewhere !

[/rant mode over ]   Roll Eyes

   

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 03:16:55 PM +0100 »

I don't think there's any room for discussion regarding wrong car choice. The race announcement clearly states the type of cars, 2L or 3L, that are allowed. More than that, it lists the exact cars that everyone can take according to their position in the championship.

It doesn't matter if the server allows taking a faster car or not. In the end if someone wants they can even run 69s or 67s or whatever. Paul knows well we run 2L and 3L separately. We never run mixed races in this championship. Yet he assumed he can take a 3L, which would imply he thought all of us were running 3L?

If Paul entered the server I assume he read the password at the race announcement page. It's up to everyone to read that before each race and take the correct chassis. Shame about Paul's wrong car choice, but it doesn't change the fact he broke a rule, regardless if it's intentional or not. I don't know what penalties are given for such situation, that's up to the moderators, but personally I don't see any reasonable excuse here that could be a mitigating factor. What if it was on a track that 3Ls have a huge advantage over 2L? Does judgment change according to race results?

Re-run in my opinion is out of question.

Nothing personal, Paul, but if I ever do what you did I'll ask for my own DQ and not look for excuses. Anything less doesn't sound reasonable to me... but anyway, up to moderators.

That's about what I would expect from you Hristo ( Mr Perfect ) but to be honest I could not give a stuff about the points.

I had just finished 44 laps at Firebird with GPLRACER and as I exited that server back into igor I noticed the UKGPL race which had 10 mins qually left.
I checked the race thread to see if I was handicapped which I was not, and checked the pass. I had no time to read the rest of the post.
I clicked on the join button and all choices were open to me so I took my usual car, the 312.
It is so damn easy to setup igor to restrict cars and we spent allot of time with Phil ( guru ) and Christoph making it so. The server should have been set correctly and it wasn't.
Other leagues do not have problems with this so why does UKGPL ? Even the Sunday pickup races could do it.

I was focused on getting a setup working in a limited time and did not notice what other drivers were using. When I got to the grid I did think it strange that I seemed to be the only 3lt, but I know that track favours the small cars so I just figured no one wanted to drive a 3lt.
After the race I mentioned this and was told it was restricted, but too late. Someone could have told me while I was in qually but they didn't.

Anyway like I said, I am only here for a bit of fun and I do not care about points. As long as I have a few pixels to chase I am happy Smiley


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