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  • Endurance D2 S1R5 - Donington: September 18, 2005
September 18, 2005, 09:36:28 PM +0100 - Donington Park (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Endurance Season 1 Division 2
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 1 1:27.817
101.585mph
1 59:53.162
94.344mph
38 1:29.300
99.898mph
Michelin  
Blaz
 G spot
Lister Storm GT1 2 +0.400
101.124mph
2 +8.440
94.123mph
38 1:29.167
100.047mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Lister Storm GT1 3 +0.684
100.800mph
3 +43.239
93.222mph
38 1:30.119
98.990mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
SEAT Toledo GT G2 7 +5.226
95.879mph
4 +1L
91.649mph
37 1:33.896
95.008mph
Dunlop  
aajay_uk
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 6 +2.930
98.305mph
5 +26.658
90.975mph
37 1:31.385
97.619mph
Michelin  
[ZiP]Tyf
 Ze insane Penguins
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 9 +6.411
94.673mph
6 +2L
88.135mph
36 1:34.949
93.955mph
Pirelli  
Zacari
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 5 +2.422
98.858mph
7 +5.197
88.010mph
36 1:29.698
99.455mph
Pirelli  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
BMW Z3M G3 13 +9.493
91.675mph
8 +3L
86.778mph
35 1:39.048
90.066mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Gillet Vertigo Streiff NGT 16 +9.978
91.220mph
9 +15.420
86.408mph
35 1:38.022
91.009mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 10 +7.474
93.617mph
10 +25.481
86.168mph
35 1:36.593
92.355mph
Pirelli  
Wilier
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 12 +8.221
92.889mph
11 +4L
83.789mph
34 1:37.637
91.368mph
Dunlop  
as-here
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 11 +7.496
93.596mph
12 +7L
76.661mph
31 1:36.754
92.202mph
Dunlop  
maverick
 mad crow
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 15 +9.731
91.451mph
13 +13L 25 1:39.665
89.509mph
unknown
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze insane Penguins
BMW Z3M G3 14 +9.574
91.599mph
14 +20L 18 1:38.809
90.284mph
unknown
Dunlop  
rufbtr
 Speedworx
Lotus Elise G3 19 +16.579
85.452mph
15 +21L 17 1:45.018
84.946mph
unknown
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 DM Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 8 +6.001
95.087mph
16 +24L 14 1:34.347
94.554mph
engine
Pirelli  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 18 +14.748
86.978mph
17 +32L 6 1:40.065
89.151mph
unknown
Pirelli  
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 4 +1.315
100.086mph
18 +34L 4 1:30.942
98.094mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
BMW Z3M G3 17 +12.503
88.924mph
19 4 1:44.421
85.432mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 751s

Aajay is lapping Maverick as they come to Redgate. Maverick turns in, there is a touch of warp, and then he starts to run wide a little; Aajay sees this as an invitaion to pass and sticks his nose up the inside, but also runs wide a touch and there is contact, Maverick going into the gravel.

Normally this would be a two place penalty, but I'm going to reduce it because Maverick did seem to be letting Aajay through, and it was just a mistake on the latter's part which caused the contact.

  • aajay_ukpenalty — contact with Maverick — 0 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 962s

Coming up to the Foggy Esses, as-here brakes too late and smacks hard into Dave Gymer's right rear quarter, spinning him out across the grass.

as-here reported he was having controller problems. This is absolutely the last occaision I'm going to let such behaviour from anyone off with a warning; if you know you are having problems with your controller, and cannot drive around them (by, for example, braking much more conservatively), you should retire from the race. Just because you're having a bad race doesn't mean you can ruin somebody else's too.

  • as-herewarning — rear ending Dave Gymer


Server replay time: 1631s

Having lapped RufBTR coming through the Craner Curves, Dave Gymer has to brake a little early for the Old Hairpin. Ruf brakes at his usual point, but in the Elise this is much later than Dave's normal braking point, and he runs directly into the back of him, both cars going through the gravel and into the tyre wall.

Because it was during a lapping pass, Ruf would not have known where Dave was going to brake, and as-here was also approaching to lap him, so he couldn't brake too much earlier than normal without risking being collected himself.

  • rufbtrwarning — rear ending Dave Gymer


Server replay time: 2117s

There was a long sequence of events starting at 2117 seconds into the server replay where Dave Gymer in the Vertigo was trying to lap Maverick's 911 GT3-RS.

Maverick was clearly overdriving, going off every few laps, and despite Dave flashing his lights and generally crawling all over the back of him for corner after corner, he refused to allow Dave to lap him, which was always going to be dangerous without some cooperation as the car being lapped was much quicker in a straight line.

GTR provides enough information in the HUD or dashboard display to know whether a car right behind you is racing you for position or not, and there really is no excuse holding a faster driver up like this.

At 2187s Dave bumped Maverick from behind at Coppice, fortunately neither driver suffering a spin, off or damage. At 2380s Dave finally gets past, then at 2516s Maverick tries to unlap himself and promptly falls off the track at the Foggy Esses.

We wish to reiterate that all drivers are expected to try to drive within their limits. If a driver is going off every few laps, they won't enjoy it, and they'll be a danger to everyone else on the track.


Server replay time: 2765s

Greg has momentary wheelspin coming off McLeans, and takes an inside line towards Coppice. Blaz gets a much better exit from McLeans, and has almost cleared Greg when they arrive at Coppice. Blaz sweeps across Greg's nose but he hasn't quite cleared him and there's contact, Blaz going off.

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR
G2
1:33.043
95.879mph
Truetom
Qualifying
SEAT Toledo GTSeptember 18, 2005, 09:36:28 PM +0100
UE1D2
GTR
G3
1:37.310
91.675mph
Simon Gymer
Qualifying
BMW Z3MSeptember 18, 2005, 09:36:28 PM +0100
UE1D2
GTR
G3
1:38.809
90.284mph
JonM_uk
Race
BMW Z3MSeptember 18, 2005, 09:36:28 PM +0100
UE1D2
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2005, 10:49:43 PM +0100 »

Was driving a Seat, I really like this car, has a nice balance to it - if setup right. Was trying to keep up with the GTs. They only lapped me once, lol!  Wink

P.S. Just lapping Shark and Jon was worth being there.  Grin

LOL. Nice one TT. Was scarey the 2 times you lapped me you just caught me up the hill after the old hairpin / craner curves and I decided to give you room to take me up the hill but the second time was real close, precision driving.

Early part of the race for me was the main excitement as I had to avoiding spinning cars left right and centre. Couple of times failing to stop in time with car or getting hit from someone else also failing to stop. Just racing.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2005, 11:22:29 PM +0100 »

sorry to dave gymer for hitting you at the esses was not even try to pass brake problems will accept what ever punishment given

Figured you just missed your braking point - wasn't best pleased but seeing Zip-Tyf's pace at the end I don't think I could've mounted a challenge, even with a fully healthy car. Once again I put far too much fuel in - I really should know by now how frugal the Vertislow is. Roll Eyes

In some respects very pleased with my performance tonight - didn't make a single self-induced mistake; gave Maverick a love tap whilst trying to lap him, very very hard work in the Vertigo against a faster Porsche, luckily neither of us went off. Got rear ended by rufbtr in the Elise too - I had to brake early after lapping hi 'cause I was off line, but following him on a later lap at the same place I realised just how late that Elise brakes there. We did have a debate about whether we should allow the Elise at all because of the huge difference in speed, unfortunate that somebody should choose to take it at the track where it's probably hardest to safely lap people. Shocked
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2005, 11:34:30 PM +0100 »

Well I'm waiting for confirmation of my finish position, but I've gotta say I REALLY enjoyed that tonight. Qual 10th o/a 2nd in class I think. had a fairly steady race til just after mid way when I found the rears had bit the dust so had to pit for an unscheduled tyre change having put in more than enough fuel to do a non-stopper  :'(

Got back on the track to find I'd dropped from 7th to 10th behind Dave, what a bugger he is to get past, finally got the jump on him after we'd been lapped on the start finish straight. Thought "sweet, sit here now til the finish" so for a few laps dave follwed me round and round gaining time, losing time til I took TOO much kerb and went off. I then spent several laps trying to catch him again and off we went again, finaly taking him on the long straight before the chicane (hope I didn't force you wide there dave) then found that for the rest of the race I had brake fade, which made things a little dicey. Dave then took advantage of this and passed me after I'd span. Anyways a good race for me, far more consistant than I have been this season and hopefully some good "team" points too.
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2005, 11:52:47 PM +0100 »

That was really tricky. High number of G3's, and an elise  Undecided, made for lots of lapping on a track where its so hard to do so. As always, everyone was trying to do the right things but there seemed few safe places to pass and things were really hairy at times.

No excuse for my stinker of a race though. One stupid spin probably cost me a place but I was never really up to speed. Congrats to Greg, I can see you, Zac and myself battling all the way to Monza. Nice to see the team have another good night.        
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2005, 12:08:53 AM +0100 »

Well pleased with qualifying,  a pole which was a real shock, didnt expect that.

Decided to be extra cautious throughout the race, especially when lapping the slower cars.  Donington is not one of my best tracks, I seem to have developed the knack of falling off here, normaly manage it at least twice in any race.
Had a good start to the race but just couldnt shake off SBG, the gap kept going up and down with the backmarkers. I would pull out a slight lead then SBG would reel me back in again, great fun.  Unfortunatly SBG had a spin which enabled me to get the gap I needed to relax a little.
Went for a 1 stopper and rejoined after the pit with Blaz about 4 seconds behind me, christ where did he come from.
We had a good battle for a couple of laps but he had a spin which left me with a 10 sec gap and only 3 laps to go.  After that it was a case of bringing it home for my first endurance win of the season.

Well pleased with tonights work, didnt hit any backmarkers, didnt spin off(a rairity) and managed my first win in div 2.
Looking forward to Spa where the 3 way battle for the top spot in div 2 continues, this deffinatly looks like it will go to the wire at monza, great stuff.

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2005, 07:39:15 AM +0100 »

I then spent several laps trying to catch him again and off we went again, finaly taking him on the long straight before the chicane (hope I didn't force you wide there dave) then found that for the rest of the race I had brake fade, which made things a little dicey.

Classic racing move - I gave you just enough room to come through, hoping I could pressure you into a spin on the exit of the Esses and retake the place but instead had to watch you just power away down to the Melbourne loop. Roll Eyes I thought it was tyres you were struggling with - didn't realise it was actually the brakes. Shocked
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2005, 08:08:10 AM +0100 »

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2005, 10:12:00 AM +0100 »

Had some fun in the elise, it was the slowest car on the track, but hell this car can brake so hard, that a lot of you probably where surpised when passing me before a curve, i was next to them in the curve.

I tried to make room for everybody who was faster (wasn't everybody faster  Cheesy), fortunately i hit that vertigo, because he was braking very early, compared to the elises braking points. sorry for that.

after 30 mins, pc locked up, so i was outta you ways, and you could race without that moving roadblock on the track.

next time i will take a faster G3 car.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2005, 12:20:31 PM +0100 »

Did my first Endurance race and made the mistake of using a car Ive never raced before   Roll Eyes

Started off OK, left Shark behind and sat on Jam for a few laps then had the first of my many brain fade moments and spun off.
I think I must have left the track at least 6 times, nearly took Shark out at the chicane on Melbourne, started to brake (not intending to pass) and the car just lurched left onto the grass, came hurtling across the chicane just in front of Shark, but not collecting him.

Also had a dodgy moment when being lapped by teamie SBG, cought the kerb and clipped the side of him as he went past Shocked

I really need to concentrate on staying on the circuit but Im looking forward to the next one. Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2005, 12:53:50 PM +0100 »

Started off OK, left Shark behind and sat on Jam for a few laps then had the first of my many brain fade moments and spun off.
I think I must have left the track at least 6 times, nearly took Shark out at the chicane on Melbourne, started to brake (not intending to pass) and the car just lurched left onto the grass, came hurtling across the chicane just in front of Shark, but not collecting him.

LOL. I did close my eyes then cause I didn't know whether to speed up, slow down or just go normal as I saw you dissapear from mirror. Slowed down a little and sort of waited for your car to either hit me or come past at a funny angle in front of me. Couldn't see you with left view but knew you had lost control and was very thankful when you came seering past my nose backwards missing me completely.
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2005, 01:06:44 PM +0100 »


Also had a dodgy moment when being lapped by teamie SBG, cought the kerb and clipped the side of him as he went past Shocked


LOL. I thought we went through it carefully at last team meet,  it was the other Listers you were meant to take out Roll Eyes. Back to the drawing board.
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2005, 01:25:27 PM +0100 »

It was certainly an eventful race!

Only managed to get a handful of laps in before the race with my new DFP (which is nice, but badly needs setting up properly), so I decided to qualify on race setup and get used to the car.

Started ok, but had a problem with the wheel and/or pedals whereby the car would either brake or just go idle at random, most noticable down the back straight and very annoying, (and a real problem when it happened in the hairpin!).  Spun 2 or 3 times because of that, and a couple of offs due to backmarkers.  Sorry, but the elise has no place in Enduro for me.  Trying to pass in the Craner Curves is not really possible and you lose so much time following through there it's just not funny!  I still think it'd be more sensible to have endurance GT and NGT, and sprints mixed, but there ya go.

If someone with a DFP could cut and paste the controller section of their .plr file that'd be greatly appreciated, as I know I changed mine lots for my old wheel. (I'll start a new thread elsewhere for it so we don't get off-topic  Wink)

Grats to Greg for a good win, and SBG for (another!) good podium finish.  Gonna have to get some practice in if I'm gonna close that gap!
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2005, 07:43:40 PM +0100 »

I then spent several laps trying to catch him again and off we went again, finaly taking him on the long straight before the chicane (hope I didn't force you wide there dave) then found that for the rest of the race I had brake fade, which made things a little dicey.

Classic racing move - I gave you just enough room to come through, hoping I could pressure you into a spin on the exit of the Esses and retake the place but instead had to watch you just power away down to the Melbourne loop. Roll Eyes I thought it was tyres you were struggling with - didn't realise it was actually the brakes. Shocked

BTW if anyone wants to see a textbook pass, look at 3000 second into the server replay - Jamera starts the move with a good exit from Coppice, gets firmly ahead into the Esses, and gives me no opportunity to come back at him on the exit.
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2005, 07:58:38 PM +0100 »

Good race for me finish 5th. I would like to say that it was down to skill and a brilliant strategy; but then I would be lying. I tend to pick up positions due to other's misfortunes. Until Zacari's pit stop 6th was looking best for me over 1m up on 7th and some 30s behind Zacari. What happened in your pitstop mate? I ended up passing you twice before you came out of the pits.

My championship postion is all due to the good finish I had in the wet weather at Barcelona, as I seem to be about 2s a lap off the rest of the GT field and don't seem to get any faster. I practiced all fortnight at Doni, trying various set-ups and couldn't go any faster than around 1m 31 with any of them, this seems to be the case on all the circuits. My best time in qually was set in the closing minutes when I was running my race set up!

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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2005, 11:02:47 PM +0100 »

Hi guys
i had to pull out as

i could not concentrate as I have chicken pox not very nice at 54.bye for now gerald

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