UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans - Mosport 1977 - Jun 30

[Samb]

Samb in his falcon. He was warping around a bit, which made it rather scary at times, but he was hanging on grimly and it only a matter of time until he could stay close enough through the hairpin to get a run down the straight.

Sorry about the warp Paul. Not the first time my ruddy internet has given me a substandard connection. Your car seemed fine and fluid from my perspective so I simply didn't know I was warping.

For future events, should anyone feel I'm lagging to such an extent, just type "Sam lag" or something and I will quit. Did enjoy the battle though!

[Pippomox]

Very few things to relate about .....

Got a good qual with low '36 (I had to make it twice, since P&G crashed after my first attempt in qual ...) that led me
to a brilliant second position in the grid, despite my practice in this track was limited to a dozen of laps done on Monday night.
Very very unexpected !!!!

I'm also very disappointed for the race that I could not even start due to a "undesirable" unplugging of my router (damn wife's ....).
Ayrton wouldn't have had so easy race without my disconnection  

See all of you in the next track !  

[BillThomas]

Yes it was good fun Legzy,  You said "But just as we started to engage again, Bill  had a moment & I slipped through & away. Think he retired soon after, so no defending on my part required sadly."  No it was that moment that wrecked my suspension.  As you were catching me through that last turn/T1, I thought I could take the racing line and perhaps get away from you but my ambition exceeded my skill and heavy right boot.

Bill

[phspok]

This was the 1st race in P&G where I've been able to take a car I like...
so far have been forced to drive cars I would usually avoid, and I most definately am not the quickest
pilote in my group on average. I'm up for a challenge, so mostly will go with the flow
I can however see Mark's point.

I would not normally be battling with TT lap after lap, and would certainly not normally
qual in front of MJ, so mostly I give it a   

I believe that things will become even closer as we do more races, Legz'nTony are
well aware of the inconsistencies, and will sort it as well as anyone can.
If I had more praccy time, I would probably do better, as it is I just have
to see what happens. Overall I am really enjoying the series, and hats off
to the organisers.

[Legzy]

None of this is meant as criticising Legz and Tony

That's cool, none of it feels like criticism this week, more like a discussion.  

I quite agree with MJ. I would have been at the sharp end in the 350 at race pace but couldn't get within a second in the Stang.

I'm not fussed who's at the sharp end, as long as it's not the same drivers every week. Only Ayrton has been in the 'top seven' in both races & he's proving to be a very strong driver & taking the fastest car available to him. So my choices are:
a) I make the slowest group of cars even slower by comparison to the rest.
b) The very best drivers like Ayrton select cars that they're maybe not quite so fast in from that group (that would be a big ask, as they are doing nothing wrong  ).

If I go with a) then everybody in that group suffers & people will need to start being demoted from it or they wont be able to keep up.
With b) I know that Paul for example, didn't pick the car he was fastest in at Laguna, but seeing some of the other fastest drivers still taking their fastest cars & disappearing, maybe tempted him that way this time  .
Either way, if at the next race, the very best drivers still prove to be considerably faster then the rest of the group, I will solve that for race Four  .

Having said that, I know from experience that it is a next too impossible job categorising cars due to differing driver ability, and an even less thankful job trying to categorise drivers too.

LOL, where were you when I signed up for this LOL
Cheers Psuedo  

IMO, with it being a clubmans championship, ie relying heavily on folk 'doing the right thing' and selecting appropriate cars, it could be best if the top two or three drivers post their average times for a track as early as possible b4 the race

Spot on & yes the earlier I get times off the fastest guys for a range of cars, the sooner I can confirm the groupings. Paul has been an amazing help for me with this.

Great result for the VDA team

You're not kidding! Seems I've underestimated our new Italian friends!

Practice 1: 20:00 (20 mins) (Aim is to see if a longer praccy session effects the number of CTD's experienced)

Thanks, I got CTD rejoining for practice - AGAIN.

Thanks Bill. The same happened to Oily & Lazlow very late in qually I believe. Anybody else?

This was the 1st race in P&G where I've been able to take a car I like...

Really sad/shocked to hear that. In our group (we're in the same one), I'm trying to make it so we've got a choice of about seven cars. I didn't realise there were seven bad to drive cars in the whole of P&G! LOL  

I would not normally be battling with TT lap after lap, and would certainly not normally
qual in front of MJ, so mostly I give it a    
I believe that things will become even closer as we do more races, Legz'nTony are
well aware of the inconsistencies, and will sort it as well as anyone can.
If I had more praccy time, I would probably do better, as it is I just have
to see what happens.

Cheers Matt, really happy you're enjoying it & 'getting' what the aim is (same for all the other massages of thanks/well done) & I agree that it's going to get better/closer as we adjust.

[Tibernius]

Practice 1: 20:00 (20 mins) (Aim is to see if a longer praccy session effects the number of CTD's experienced)

Thanks, I got CTD rejoining for practice - AGAIN.

Thanks Bill. The same happened to Oily & Lazlow very late in qually I believe. Anybody else?

One thing I've found is if I leave the server and rejoin it crashes as soon as it's finished loading the track.
If, however, I exit the server, return to the main menu, log in to the multiplayer menu again and then rejoin the server, it doesn't.

Don't know why that works, but it does. Might be worth a try if people are having that problem.

[Mark J]

MJ - looking at your pace in the z06, you were only 0.1 secs quicker in qual than you posted on the forum a week before! At that stage I was struggling to get out of the 38s in the 250. Maybe you didn't practice as much as some of the others?

Sadly it turned out that i couldnt find anymore pace in the Z06 which must be down to my own lack of talent in the US cars (bearing in mind the pace some others found in it)  I had done most of my praccy here last week in the Shelby which was i why i was a tad miffed when it moved out of my car group  especially as i felt comfortable getting the regular '37s target time with it.
Thats why i mentioned these PB times as being a little misleading as suddenly on race day there were a gaggle of driver pumping in 1:36 times, surely that meant in the clubmens tradition, those drivers had picked cars that were too quick ?

I did a fair bit of practise for this event but on race night couldnt find the pace i wanted...not a single lap in the 37's 

Dont get me wrong i still enjoyed the race and really like the great variety of cars on track that look and sound so great.  But the top 6 should be made to drive the Healey next race to curb their sudden pace increase 

[Paul968]

But this always happens Mark - on race day most drivers find a bit more speed and the top times are quicker than the published ones. The times I posted were with 10 laps of fuel (indicated, in fact more than 10) and many of them with less than 10 laps driven. It was unfortunate about the SCCA being changed rather late, but the signs were there quite early - Manteos, a driver in your group, posted a time of 1.35.1 in it nearly a week before the race was run. Had we left it as it was, I'm certain that the results would have been even more extreme, with a bunch of group 2 drivers disappearing in the 350.

I understand your comments re the clubmens spirit, but I don't think drivers took a faster car necessarily. They just got the best from the one they chose. The balance of the cars was much closer this time (the elan was too quick last time) so there was no easy option. It is definitely preferable to give drivers a free choice within their group rather than putting pressure on to take a slower car within a group of ostensibly equal cars.

[Legzy]

especially as i felt comfortable getting the regular '37s target time with it.

There was no official target time. But all drivers hitting 37's & 38's, were right where I expected them (that includes you & me buddy ).

It's important also for drivers to remember, that the 'clubmans system' works over a season. At certain races, individual drivers (or even a group) might struggle more with a track choice or their car options then someone else in the same drivers group... but it should even out over the season (I hope )

Promotions to be announced imminently 

[Legzy]

As a result of their performances at Mosport & preceding races, the following promotions & relegation's will be reflected at the next race:

Congratulations to the Drivers who've earned Promotion:
Manteos to Group One Drivers
Pippomax to Group One Drivers
Tim Robey to Group Two Drivers
SamB to Group Two Drivers


Commiserations to the Drivers who've been Relegated: (you get a faster car next time )
None this week (but a couple are now in my relegation watch).


Welcome to the New Drivers & their New Group:
Pepz to Group One Drivers
Psuedo to Group Two Drivers

Please do PM me if you think I've put you in the wrong group.

[mr_oily]

Been a bit slack with my after race posts and as I'm sure you've all been putting other engagements on hold in anticipation of one I thought I'd better write a quickie 

Scrabbled about with car choices, thinking right up until the final hour that I'd be in an Alfa but eventually settling with my old friend the Vette, even if it was a little less grunty than the the favourite L88. Stuck it about 12th on the grid in qually but was hit by the curse of the flaky Simbin code which punted me out and straight to the back without passing go or collecting £200. Can't really complain as I've had a damn good run of reliability but I'm hoping that's the last I'll see of the gremlins still!

I think us backmarkers were in a neighbouring town on the grid we were so far back. We were also at one hell of an angle to boot! Was a little concerned letting the horses rip off the start would see the back end fall away but somehow my sidestepping of the clutch saw me get a good getaway,  albeit straight into the road block that was you other drivers with your little hairdryer engines 

To cut a long story short, I was having to use every inch of the road to get anything out of the Z06 and at least three times dropped a wheel on the grass which was sort of the story of my race, just not enough talent to drive like that for lap after lap without cocking it up but it was great fun trying.

Great little tussle with Bob as he mentioned, really enjoyed that close quarter stuff even though you were quite a bit quicker. Also a cracking little battle, so nearly complete with a grandstand finish with Legz. Cheers both of you, some really good clean stuff.

Love the track, I want to give the Directors some abuse at some stage this season but they keep getting the job done so it'll have to wait. Honestly never had so much fun battling for 16th and the honour of precisely nowhere lol (that'll be £50 Legz...bank transfer fine.).

I cannot wait for Lime Rock.