UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans - Lime Rock Park - Jul 14

[Pippomox]

I heavily fueled the alpine for both qual and the race to try and offset it's advantage, which worked as I qualified in 14th Had a poor race start as pippomox in front of me missed the lights and I was stranded.

Are you sure that was me ? I started in 4th (thus quit far from the 14th pos ...) and don't remember to have had any problem at the start like you're saying. Anyway I was a bit laggy at the start and maybe this could be the reason why you saw me miss the lights . Sorry about that !

[BillThomas]

Deepest Apologies all.  With vistors only leaving Monday I really didn't have time to keep track of permitted cars.  When the track was put up I did a few laps in the Elan and E Type and that was it.  Elan was available on line so naturally I drove it.


Disqualified!!!

Bil

[Mark J]

I my opinion there were several reasons for the large amount of incidents last night.
1) The large speed differential between the cars. Blunders Mustang would gain over a second on the s/f straight but my Elite would be right behind again after the first couple of corners.
2) Lime Rock Park only has one fast line so passing is hard. The first section has much more camber on the inside of the corners so passing is really hard unless the leading driver makes a mistake and runs wide. All the other corners are med/high speed with small/no braking zones so passing is again difficult.
3) Lapped drivers not getting out the way and lapping drivers being overambitious. This was not helped by the first two points. I found it very difficult to lap cars that were a lot faster down the straights than me as I then had to fight my way passed in the bends unless the lapped drivers yielded. Sorry to anyone who thinks I was overambitious.
4) Some of the cars in the midfield were not visible at the start. I had a look at my replay immediately after the race and found that about 10 cars were invisible, don’t know if it was just my replay or if they were invisible during the race.

I think the number of incidents could have been reduced if the lapped drivers just got right out of the way of the faster cars, especially on such a short track. May be we should consider having rolling starts also.
Having said that this was my most enjoyable P&G race yet, fighting with Blunder was very much good fun.

Well done Bill and Blunder!

Just a minor thought on qualifying as it was so busy on track during Q2 last night - would it be worth saying that if you're on a hot lap, you should put your headlights on for the duration of the hotlap to show others infront/behind that you're on one?

This sound like a very good idea to me 

1) i thought that would happen when i saw a real mix of fast GT cars and nimble touring cars but must say that every car i met on track last night raced me admirably whether they were quicker or slower. It was obvious the alpines and elites were way quicker than me through the twisties but they made realistic stabbing attacks rather than blatant contact. Good racing.
2) agree
3) again, i found most lapped cars did the sensible thing and waited until the s/f straight to ease over and allow lapping cars through. Good driving i thought.
4) wash your mouth out with soap, we dont want lame rolling starts for classic car racing  its all part of the racing fun.

I've always thought the headlights on in qually when on a hot lap was the ideal way to let everyone know so that they can move over if only on their outlap or spoiled lap. We should make it so in the rules.

[pribeiro]

I my opinion there were several reasons for the large amount of incidents last night.
1) The large speed differential between the cars. Blunders Mustang would gain over a second on the s/f straight but my Elite would be right behind again after the first couple of corners.
2) Lime Rock Park only has one fast line so passing is hard. The first section has much more camber on the inside of the corners so passing is really hard unless the leading driver makes a mistake and runs wide. All the other corners are med/high speed with small/no braking zones so passing is again difficult.
3) Lapped drivers not getting out the way and lapping drivers being overambitious. This was not helped by the first two points. I found it very difficult to lap cars that were a lot faster down the straights than me as I then had to fight my way passed in the bends unless the lapped drivers yielded. Sorry to anyone who thinks I was overambitious.

 

And that is the spirit of P&G gentleman drivers season (as all those classic races are in real life all
over the world).
And that is why I love so much these races, driving so much different cars with so many different
behavior/engines/brakes/tires7weight...etc... unlike nowadays races with different cars but almost the same kind of brakes/weight/tires/engines/aerodynamics/horse power...etc...

We must chill and enjoy these lovely races as they are, always different and fun.

Cheers
 

[pribeiro]

Lol Mark, we missed our reply for only 7 seconds.......

[Mcfids]

Backmarkers should not be trying to race the front runners 

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more with you. The last thing I wanted to do was to race Bill - I just wanted to get on and catch the next driver (which I was doing with Legzy) and it was unfortunate that we happened to share the track with the same pace albeit a lap down. My pace was getting faster throughout the race as my very heavy fuel load was being used and my tyres were still good. I'll take my penalty if that's the case.

It does throw up an interesting scenario though; when, if ever, is it legitimate to 'race' a car that has lapped you? Normally for me, at least in the GTR league here, when being lapped means letting the driver through and then the alien is gone. You never get the opportunity to re-pass again.

Are you sure that was me ? I started in 4th (thus quit far from the 14th pos ...) and don't remember to have had any problem at the start like you're saying. Anyway I was a bit laggy at the start and maybe this could be the reason why you saw me miss the lights . Sorry about that !

My bad, it was Peppe in the Red Alfa 

[Tim Robey]

My pace yesterday was painfully slow, qualied 2nd last and finished last of the runners, 2 laps down. But I did have 57goldtop to race with for most of the race, thanks!

3) again, i found most lapped cars did the sensible thing and waited until the s/f straight to ease over and allow lapping cars through. Good driving i thought.

That is what I was trying to do, wait until the S/F straight and let any cars reasonably close pass by there, elsewhere there just isn't the room. Despite that I did get rear-ended a couple of times, once by Ross and another by someone else that span me into the path of Legzy. I will have a look at the replay first before deciding whether to raise incident reports for these.

[spanner]

Is it just me that notice that the elan was listed in the race announcement, but was not put into a class on the post below it?

[ross.mcw]

Despite that I did get rear-ended a couple of times, once by Ross and another by someone else that span me into the path of Legzy. I will have a look at the replay first before deciding whether to raise incident reports for these.

I haven't watched the replay either, but I think you'd be entitled to 'claim on my insurance' in my case Tim - apologies again, I should have waited for the S/F straight, but in the heat of the battle I was probably too impatient.

Cheers, Ross.

[mr_oily]

Not much of interest to add but commiserations Bill...really don't get how that happened but it did so your the victory will have to wait a few days longer Massive congrats to Mr. Blunder, chuffed for ya bud. That was some drive to keep it going in the right direction for 38 laps under some serious pressure from Ross and Jose - very unlucky Ross, could have been a different story quite easily.

Hat off to Ade (or Goth - I'm not convinced we don't have a ringer in our midst ) who managed to hussle the TR4 around in a respectable time while I drove my wheels off for basically the slowest time of the day in the same car!!

Got a taste of what it's like to be lapped permanently and I don't like it LOL - at one point I just dived onto the grass to get out of the way of the 7 car train! It was clearly particularly tricky around here but I do have a new found respect for lappees.

Not just sour grapes but I have to say I noticed a step up in aggression at this meet - will wait to check the replay before passing judgement proper but I do know punting people off in qually because you're faster isn't anywhere close to acceptable. I agree the idea of lights for a hot lap is a good one as I'm often asking on TS who's on a quick one etc...obviously not everyone is on there for starters..

Anyway, as TT says, if that's how it will be played I'm happy to join in but I don't think it's an improvement to the tried and tested "hard but fair" mentality that's kept this little operation popular for as long as it has. I'm always happy to lark about in practice but I think some should possibly chill the hell out come race time!

Off to drive some VXR's @ Croft tomorrow so will no doubt be full of enthusiasm for tomorrows race (please not Zuhai!!) and armed with even less practice so give me a wide berth at the back there

[Ade]

Is it just me that notice that the elan was listed in the race announcement, but was not put into a class on the post below it?

Well spotted spanner, its Legzys fault then, well done Bill for second place

We realy need the replay (the one online is for Brands)

[ross.mcw]

ditto!  Any news on the correct replay yet?

[Legzy]

Correct replay now available for download (hopefully )


FYI - There is some stuff to sort out from this race, I'll do my best to catch up over the next few days. Sorry, 'real life' has briefly taken over recently 

[Samb]

Thanks Legz, having seen the server replay, I warped a fair bit on the first lap which must have scared Ross a bit, being the car behind. But it seemed to improve to an acceptable level, with a couple of blips occasionally before losing touch with the server. What I don't understand is that from my personal replay, everyone seems fine and fluid yet on the server I warp about more than most  .

I'll see if the problem persists with the GTL event tomorrow. I know wireless is crap for gaming but it just isn't practical lying a cable down the stairs half way across the house so I'm stuck with it. Should my internet be shoddy again tomorrow, I feel I may have to stick to GPL.

[Ade]

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