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July 14, 2009, 08:43:20 PM +0100 - Lime Rock (no chicane) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 1 Clubmans Groups
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#6601) P&G Group 5 7 +0.866
83.229mph
1 41:55.777
81.401mph
38 1:05.008
82.899mph
Dunlop  
Josè Arrogantio
 
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 5 +0.703
83.440mph
2 +5.062
81.237mph
38 1:04.723
83.264mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Lotus Elite (#63022) P&G Group 3 U2L 6 +0.854
83.245mph
3 +16.200
80.880mph
38 1:04.915
83.018mph
Dunlop  
ross.mcw
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 3 +0.277
83.994mph
4 +18.082
80.820mph
38 1:04.222
83.914mph
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 1 1:03.884
84.358mph
5 +25.197
80.594mph
38 1:04.083
84.096mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#68091) P&G Group 5 13 +1.253
82.735mph
6 +35.367
80.272mph
38 1:05.394
82.410mph
Dunlop  
PippoPelo
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA (#69037) P&G Group 2 12 +1.209
82.791mph
7 (+2) +36.902
80.224mph
38 1:05.314
82.511mph
Dunlop  
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus Elite (#63022) P&G Group 3 U2L 10 +1.020
83.032mph
8 +41.185
80.090mph
38 1:05.093
82.791mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Triumph GT4 (#67074) P&G Group 3 O2L 16 +1.521
82.396mph
9 +43.840
80.007mph
38 1:05.940
81.727mph
Dunlop  
API
 
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 21 +2.240
81.500mph
10 +45.190
79.964mph
38 1:05.844
81.847mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 250GT SWB (#61007) P&G Group 3 O2L 17 +1.561
82.346mph
11 +47.918
79.879mph
38 1:05.621
82.125mph
Dunlop  
IvAlAx
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 15 +1.399
82.550mph
12 +54.973
79.660mph
38 1:05.182
82.678mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA (#69037) P&G Group 2 23 +2.291
81.437mph
13 +59.437
79.522mph
38 1:05.911
81.763mph
Dunlop  
icarus17
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
FIAT Abarth TC1000 Gr5 (#68057) P&G Group 5 22 +2.276
81.456mph
14 +1L
79.181mph
37 1:06.017
81.632mph
Dunlop  
Mcfids
 Team Pseudo Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 14 +1.389
82.563mph
15 +0.264
79.173mph
37 1:04.927
83.003mph
Dunlop  
(VDA)KING
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus Elite (#61107) P&G Group 3 U2L 18 +1.714
82.154mph
16 +4.558
79.038mph
37 1:05.526
82.244mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Triumph GT4 (#67074) P&G Group 3 O2L 20 +2.148
81.614mph
17 +5.502
79.009mph
37 1:06.268
81.323mph
Dunlop  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 8 +0.875
83.218mph
18 +2L
76.787mph
36 1:05.259
82.580mph
Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Cortina (#66011) P&G Group 2 25 +3.125
80.424mph
19 +33.350
75.786mph
36 1:07.452
79.895mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Triumph GT4 (#67071) P&G Group 3 O2L 26 +3.437
80.051mph
20 +12L 26 1:07.581
79.743mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupe (#66067) P&G Group 3 O2L 19 +1.954
81.854mph
21 +19L 19 1:06.227
81.373mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Samb
 Reed Racing
FIAT Abarth TC1000 Gr5 (#69041) P&G Group 5 9 +0.983
83.079mph
22 +25L 13 1:06.096
81.535mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Pippomox
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus Elite (#63022) P&G Group 3 U2L 4 +0.697
83.447mph
23 (+1) +32L 6 1:04.841
83.113mph
unknown
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elan 26R (#64026) P&G Group 3 U2L 2 +0.208
84.084mph
Excluded +0L
81.364mph
38 1:04.365
83.727mph
Dunlop  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA (#69037) P&G Group 2 11 +1.079
82.957mph
+38L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elite (#61108) P&G Group 3 U2L 24 +2.588
81.073mph
0 ---
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DQ
Dunlop  

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Server replay time: 1s

Sadly, Bill chose a car that was not available and has to be disqualified.


Server replay time: 127s

Pippomax rear ends Tibs through T1 on lap 1.

All three front runners were in different classes of cars and Bill's pace around T1 takes Tibs by surprise so he may have been going slower than Pippomax expected. Therefore penalty reduced. However, it was lap 1/turn 1 and Pippomax should have taken more time and care to size up the pace of the opposition.

Credit to Pippomax for admitting his mistake and apologising.


Server replay time: 128s

Drivers are closely packed into T1, lap 1 and Ade is sticking to his outside line as Pepz goes around the inside. This is ok until mid corner when Pepz runs a little wide and Ade goes a little to the inside, although Pepz barely touches him it has dire consequences for Ade. Pepz and Ade are unlucky but they really should have been taking more care considering it was lap1/turn1.


Server replay time: 130s

After earlier incident, Tibs is stuck on grass on inside of T1. He sensibly waits but incorrectly attempts to stream into a tightly packed group of cars, VDAKing can not really avoid him. Credit to Tibs for admitting his mistake.


Server replay time: 198s

Tudor hits the rear of APIs Elite into T1 on lap 1, sending him into a spin, collecting the unlucky Legzy and VDAKing.

In mitigation API braked earlier than normal after wisely pulling out of an attempted pass on TT, they were in different classes of cars, it was Tudor who reported himself and he also took a drive through so penalty is reduced to a caution. He will take even more care on lap 1 in future I'm sure.

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  • goldtop (57goldtop)caution — Rear end shunt
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 826s

Ade runs wide and icaraus takes the opportunity to take the racing line for following turn. He is almost completely past but bumps Ades front left with his rear as he completes the move. Ade was clearly giving up the place, only required a little more room and should have been given it.

Luckily no harm was done to either.


Server replay time: 839s

Ade makes an attempt to pass icarus on the fast Uphill turn. He gets at least alongside him at turn entry, all be it on the inside/wrong line. As a safe pass isn't really on, he sensibly decides to back out but icarus takes the normal racing line and gives him very little option but to go on grass.

A real 50/50 this, ade should have perhaps backed out a little earlier and icarus could have given him more room so I see it as a racing incident.


Server replay time: 1124s

(VDA)King is following Ade closely, perhaps too closely, and gives him a bump through final turn. Luckily Ade holds onto it and no damage is done.


Server replay time: 1146s

Ade runs a little wide through T1 and (VDA)King puts his nose inside him in what I can only guess is a passing attempt. Its clear he is not going to get close to getting alongside and therefore, from the replay alone, it has to go down as a rear ender caused by a poor passing attempt. Luckily no damage was done.


Server replay time: 1270s

Tibs gets alongside icarus along main straight and is level, but not in front, into T1 entry, icarus attempts to take his normal line and bumps into Tibs who is already there. Its a close call but its a good passing move for me so the bump is just a racing incident.


Server replay time: 1605s

Tibs rear ends Paul through T1. Tibs has apologised, it was mixed class and, thanks largely to Pauls skills, no real damage was done so penalty reduced.

  • Paul968
  • Tibernius — Rear end shunt — 1 place lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1847s

Tibs almost makes a good pass on Pepz into final turn but just fails to get in front. Pepz turns in, there is some bumping but, thanks largely to Pepzs skills, no real damage is done so just a warning is necessary.

  • PippoPelo ([VDA] Peppe)
  • Tiberniuswarning — Make sure the pass can be completed before committing
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1870s

Tibs again attempts to pass Pepz into T1 but this time he is way to far back and bangs the rear of Pepz. In mitigation, Tibs says Pepz was warping slightly and, although there is no evidence of that in replay, there is no reason to doubt him.


Server replay time: 2086s

Pepz comes up to lap Tim and rear ends him. As Pepz hasn't filed a report, had only just approached Tim and there is no suggestion of Tim opening and then closing a gap for him, the maximum penalty is fully warrented.


Server replay time: 2307s

Ade gets it very slightly sideways through the Uphill turn and Manteous resultantly rear ends him on exit. The slight mistake excuses Manteous a little but he should have avoided the contact.

Credit to Manteous for admitting his mistake by waiting/coming clean in incident report and Ade for accepting his apology.

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Triumph GT4July 14, 2009, 08:43:20 PM +0100
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« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2009, 03:03:20 PM +0100 »

Ciao my time
alpine 1.04,8
alfa gta 1.06.5
fiat 1000 gr5 1.07,xx
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« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2009, 07:41:52 PM +0100 »

hello ciao
new my record time
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« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2009, 09:48:04 PM +0100 »

managed to injure my wrist cartillage and tendons in left arm & hand at the weekend, hospital said could take upto 3 weeks to recover so now not sure when i will be back racing  :'(

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Oh dear Mark, I wish you a fast recover.  Wink
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« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2009, 09:54:32 PM +0100 »

That's bad news. I had tendon damage to my thumb and it takes weeks to get better and it can be aggravated again real easy. In the end I had a cortisone jab to help it heal. Must say it did the trick.
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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2009, 12:07:34 AM +0100 »

Here is some times that I made after a few laps in each car:  Smiley

Alfa GTA: 1:06.4
Lotus Cortina: 1:06.8
Alpine 1300: 1:04. 6
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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2009, 08:32:59 AM +0100 »

Ciao my time
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Thanks King. Looks like you should take the "Chassis Group D" cars (Like Manteos)
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« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2009, 08:40:18 AM +0100 »

Here is some times that I made after a few laps in each car:  Smiley

Alfa GTA: 1:06.4
Lotus Cortina: 1:06.8
Alpine 1300: 1:04. 6
Hi API, thanks for that. Looks like you should take the "Chassis Group D" cars like TrueTom.
Look forward to seeing you on track.
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« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2009, 08:44:50 AM +0100 »

Some more lap times, again with about 10 laps of fuel.
Abarth - gr5            1:06.6
Lotus Elite               1:06.7
Mustang NTK - gr5   1:05.9
Alfa Junior               1:06.2
Looks like we'll be able to use these extra cars, thanks to those that did that  Smiley
Anybody else want to post any times for any of the cars from your group to help finalise groupings today?

Keep 1:06 in mind when choosing your car to race with (but that's not an official target whistling).
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« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2009, 01:11:41 PM +0100 »

Some more lap times:  Cool

Ferrari 250GT B: 1:07.4
Triumph TR4: 1:06.7
Healey MK2: 1:07.9
Abarth (gr5): 1:05.8
Lotus Elite: 1:06.5
Mustang NTK (gr5): 1:06.4
Alfa Junior: 1:05.9
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« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2009, 05:41:22 PM +0100 »

That is the Live Timing Stats of VDA Team:

http://62.149.209.93/LiveTiming2/lt/statistiche.aspx

I hope that will be useful for car groupings Smiley

Anyway only for Legzy :=) i post here only the best lap times for each car of Group D:
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:04.260      05/07/2009     Gr5   Abarth 1000TC Gr5
[VDA] Pippomox            1:04.445      05/07/2009     Gr5   Abarth 1000TC Gr5
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:04.428      07/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] Manteos            1:04.651      11/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] Pippomox            1:04.701      07/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] IvAlAx            1:04.844      11/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo 1300 GTA Junior
[VDA] Manteos            1:04.994      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:05.409      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Pippomox            1:05.707      04/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Peppe            1:06.210      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
(VDA) King                    1:06.439      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Manteos            1:05.131      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA]IvAlAx            1:05.504      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA] Peppe            1:05.675      12/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
(VDA) King                    1:06.469      02/07/2009     Gr2   Alfa Romeo GTA
[VDA] Peppe            1:06.488      03/07/2009     Gr5   Ford Mustang NTK Gr5 (but only with 3 laps for peppe... i think that it's possible to go down quite a lot!)
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:06.670      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:06.915      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Austin Healey 3000 MK II

Seems that Abarth 1000 and Alfa junior got something more than others of his group. Maybe that cars should be put in the C chassis, and leave the rest available, even if i think that Ferrari GT B and the Healey are the slowest in group D, and have no chance against the TR4, Elite, and probably the Mustang.... The GTA could be bring in the chassis B, and the Volumetrico in A.  That's only my opinion, i wait for some other opinions, especially that of Ade and Paul, that have turned a lot with some group D cars
Regarding the drivers groupings i suggest to you to put King & Ivalax in the Group 2 with Peppe, and leave me and Pippomox in the 1st, for the moment... If they demonstrates some progress on the single lap, they can gain the promotions in 1st group. I wait for your opinions guys! Cu all!

Edit: I added new best laps with Triumph TR 4 and the Lotus Elite, and a couple of times for King and Ivalax. Especially Ivalax it's so near to the 1st group laptimes now, but we will wait for Tuesday to see others bestlaps... I think that 1.06 sounds a little bit higher as time limit for the group D drivers reading the bestlaps posted by Ade and Paul... Hope in some clarification for tomorrow evening to make our car choice! Thank you Smiley!

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« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2009, 10:23:29 AM +0100 »

Hello..my times:

[VDA] IvAlAx:

GTA : 1.4.2XX
GTAJ: 1.4.8XX
Elite:  1.5.5XX

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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2009, 10:40:03 AM +0100 »

Hello..my times:
[VDA] IvAlAx:
GTA : 1.4.2XX
GTAJ: 1.4.8XX
Elite:  1.5.5XX
Hi & Welcome IvAlAx
Looks like you need to be driving the Group-D cars (like Manteos & King), see you on Tuesday.
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2009, 10:51:35 AM +0100 »

I've updated the Chassis groupings (hopefully for the last time), so check the 2nd post in the thread again to check which cars have moved.

Having been on the server yesterday with a lot of the fast group (in the slowest cars), it seems like 1:05's will be hit regularly by them. (though I still can't hit a 1:06 myself  lol)
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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2009, 11:00:52 AM +0100 »

Which cars in groups D were doing 1.05s legzy, and by whom?
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2009, 11:51:07 AM +0100 »

Hello..my times:
[VDA] IvAlAx:
GTA : 1.4.2XX
GTAJ: 1.4.8XX
Elite:  1.5.5XX
Hi & Welcome IvAlAx
Looks like you need to be driving the Group-D cars (like Manteos & King), see you on Tuesday.
I agree with you regarding the group D for Ivalax, but for King i think that it would be so difficult at the moment, to have a pace near the 1.06 with the Group D cars. Surely he isn't faster than people like Peppe or Ade at the moment, and group D would be only a penalty for him... Like i said for Ivalax yesterday, if he improve his laptime, i'll let you know!

To answer at the Paul's question:

[VDA] Manteos            1:04.994      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Ayrton4_94    1:05.409      05/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Pippomox            1:05.707      04/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
[VDA] Peppe            1:06.210      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4
(VDA) King                    1:06.439      12/07/2009     Gr3+2L   Triumph TR4

[VDA] Manteos            1:05.131      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA]IvAlAx            1:05.504      11/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite
[VDA] Peppe            1:05.675      12/07/2009     Gr3-2L   Lotus Elite

Ade:TR4...............................1:05.547 (good fun with loads of power diff and zero or five coast)
Paul968: TR4          1.06.1
Jos Verstappen: lotus elite 1.06.2
Jose Arrogantio: TR4           1:05.5 (This car is soooo much fun  Smiley)
Jose Arrogantio: Mustang NTK - gr5   1:05.9

These are the laptimes i find in this post about the group D drivers... seems that we are so close... I avoid to put here the times of the 250 GTB and the Healey, because as i said yesterday seems that have no chances in comparison of the others in group D. I Hope to be useful as ever Smiley
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