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July 07, 2009, 09:44:07 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 17 (2009) Novices Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +0.666
131.801mph
1 38:03.563
129.559mph
23 1:38.193
131.001mph
Dunlop  
JamesRye
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 1 1:36.931
132.706mph
2 (+4) +14.872
128.721mph
23 1:37.610
131.783mph
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +0.823
131.589mph
3 +25.587
128.124mph
23 1:37.804
131.522mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 2 +0.604
131.884mph
4 +30.222
127.867mph
23 1:37.934
131.347mph
Dunlop  
maestro57
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +0.909
131.473mph
5 +31.885
127.775mph
23 1:38.326
130.823mph
Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +2.021
129.996mph
6 +32.102
127.763mph
23 1:38.482
130.616mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +0.772
131.658mph
7 +32.293
127.753mph
23 1:37.758
131.583mph
Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +0.958
131.407mph
8 +36.443
127.524mph
23 1:38.365
130.771mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.726
131.720mph
9 +39.285
127.368mph
23 1:38.257
130.915mph
Dunlop  
BookieW
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 17 +4.654
126.626mph
10 +55.389
126.491mph
23 1:40.196
128.382mph
Goodyear  
G Poole
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +2.896
128.856mph
11 +1:16.367
125.367mph
23 1:39.355
129.468mph
Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.401
130.815mph
12 +1:21.756
125.081mph
23 1:38.524
130.560mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +2.627
129.204mph
13 (+15) +1:31.467
124.570mph
23 1:40.053
128.565mph
Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 18 +5.755
125.269mph
14 +1:37.206
124.269mph
23 1:40.306
128.241mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 16 +2.990
128.735mph
15 +1L
122.405mph
22 1:40.300
128.249mph
Dunlop  
Asbjeurn Tverberg
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +2.283
129.652mph
16 (+6) +7L
123.894mph
16 1:39.508
129.269mph
Disco
Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +0.888
131.501mph
17 +11L
126.437mph
12 1:38.382
130.749mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Mark65
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.030
129.984mph
18 +21L
121.419mph
2 1:40.615
127.847mph
Disco
Dunlop  
5 UKGPL
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 19 19 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Fisrtly, apologies for the delay in producing the report for this one. Jack O's fast driving in his attempts to beat Phil to second in Clubmans seems to have resulted in his PC overheating and blowing a few circuits. He should be back in action soon but, in the meantime, you'll have to put up with me.

A great drive by Al Heller saw him take his first Novices win. Seems Mike was having a bad hair day which meant Clutch's third gave him the Championship.


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Asbjeurn rear ended Mark Minardi causing him to go off and AT's subsequent spin caught out Bernie.
Whilst Mark was braking earlier with a consequent speed differential AT should have been prepared to allow for this.

  • Asbjeurn Tverbergpenalty — Blatant Rear End Shunt — 2 places lost (plus 4 for penalty points)


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Mike was braking later then Billy and cut across him at Parabolica forcing Billy off.
The attempted overtake was a tad ambitious, also it should be borne in mind there were yellow flags for an incident ahead.
However this was possible warp contact.
Billy is allowed a no fault Sh/R

  • Racing incident


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Bernie rear ends Al Baldwin.
In mitigation Al braked much earlier than might be expected however Bernie should have allowed for this and Al had not significantly altered his brake point.

Bernie then did a bad rejoin taking out Billy. Bernie did not appear to be 100% in control but could have stopped rather then rejoin the track. In mitigation he was trying to rejoin off the racing line.


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Nicky pulled out across Norbert and Norbert subsequently span.
However Nicky did leave enough room for Norbert to remain on track.

  • Racing incident


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Al Baldwin runs wide then crosses back across Graham Poole.
Al spun and Graham could carry on.

  • Racing incident


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Fabio has a warp collision with Clutch

  • Racing incident


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James Rye turns in on Meastro rear-ending him.
James can clearly see Peter is there so should have taken avoiding action.

  • JamesRye (james rye)penalty — Blatant Rear End Shunt — 2 places lost (plus 2 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 0h37m07s

Bernie and Al B have a bump in what looks like a possible warp incident however Bernie should have stayed further back as he was not attempting to pass.

  • bernie (bernie65 darwin)penalty — Warp Incident Caused by Careless Driving — 1 place lost (plus 4 for penalty points)

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« on: July 02, 2009, 08:18:09 PM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 17 - Novices Trophy - Race 10 - 65 mod - Monza (GP 1955-71)

And so to Italy- the traditional home of incredibly expensive professional organised sports.  Clutch and Mike will contest the Novices Trophy in front of the fanatical tifosi in our season finale, Brabham to Lotus- who will be Bruce Lee, and who will be Chuck Norris?  Mountside may have slipped too far behind in the team championship though, partly because of the efforts of the renowned Clark-Hill elite transfer unit.

Please also use the thread to set out any changes you'd like to see for next season, especially with the schedule.  We're considering using only 6 or 7 original tracks next season- so if you'd prefer to stay with eight, this is your opportunity to object.  Put your chassis requests for next season in as well- Ferrari have struggled to retain drivers this time, and both they and Honda will look for new pilots in the next allocations.

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left.  However, all drivers should not go on track until there is 30 minutes of qualifying left.  This helps all drivers join the server successfully.  Please restrict chat to pit messages.

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race.

The 65 mod V2 update is being used by UKGPL and the updated layout features are very welcome, with the ability to record best lap times at addon tracks and to have 65 specific tracks. The new collision boxes are also a great improvement.  Though the new slipstream code will need extensive testing, the preliminary race seemed to show that it would be a definite improvement in racing terms, without the controversy over its extent, as with the 66 mod.

Thanks to all involved with producing the update.  If the new slipsteam code works as well as it seems it might, perhaps it could help persuade the authors of the 66 mod to rework their code as well!

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m. UK 19:55 GMT
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and race passwords: see above

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Race date = 7-07-2009
Time = 21:00 (UK time) 20:00 (GMT)
Track = Monza (GP 1955-71)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = INT
Qually time = 30 minutes.
Race length = long (23 laps- not 21, as before the 65 patch)

Please make sure that you have enough race fuel to complete the distance!

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Penalties are to be worried about after the race, with the exception of penalties for restarts.  The UKGPL rule is that you have to take a stop-and-go in the pits for each reset at the end of the lap, with the only exception being if your reset was caused by another driver.  The penalty for not taking a stop-and-go is thirty seconds.  

CHASSIS ALLOCATION  If I haven't included you but your chassis has been agreed it's not important, otherwise pm me.

Ferrari Norbert Roguk Fabio
Lotus Al Vos Mike Scott Vee8
BRM Billy Hezemans Hurtubise JamesRye
BT11 Graham Maestro Clutch Nhance Mark
Honda Bookie Tomd18
Cooper Asbjeurn* Ian* Steve B* Steve B2* Geoff* Bernie* Nicky*
BT7 Aulden Burt* Glyn

*drivers also assigned an Amateurs chassis

65 Mod

These were the 65 drivers
BT7 Bonnier, Baghetti, Hulme (Bonnier drove for Walker)
BT11 Brabham Gurney Gardner Anderson Siffert (Siffert drove for Walker, Gardner and Anderson were privateers)
Lotus Clark Spence Rodriguez Mitter Russo Solana (and Maggs Hailwood Attwood Amon and Ireland for Parnell)
Ferrari Surtees Bandini Rodriguez Vaccarella Bondurant Scarfiotti
Honda Ginther Bucknum
Cooper McLaren Rindt
BRM Hill Stewart

The 1965 season was the last to use the controversial 1500cc formula which had begun after 1960, to the initial advantage of Ferrari.  The 1965 cars are smaller than the 1967 cars and have less torque and hence more grip.  It was claimed that they 'cornered on rails', however this allowed the Grand Prix series to retain the use of circuits which were otherwise to prove extremely dangerous.

The 1965 cars are ideal for those new to GPL as they allow the tracks to be learnt in light reliable cars, however these are also full Formula One cars, and quite fast....  Graham Hill got pole in his P261 in 1965 with a time of 1'30.7.  Jim Clark won the race in a Lotus 33 with a fastest lap of 1'30.6

David Wright's 'Legends' site http://fp.gplegends.plus.com/ has the download of the 2.0.1 version (under 'details') as well as being an exceptional guide to both 1965 and 1967, for those interested in Formula One history.  The 2.02 update is available here: http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/1965mod_PATCH_v2.0.2_Setup.zip
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 08:46:51 PM +0100 »

Put your chassis requests for next season in as well- Ferrari have struggled to retain drivers this time, and both they and Honda will look for new pilots in the next allocations.

Don't feel ready for the Amateurs yet so would like to stick with the team Lotus in Novices. If, by some miracle, I did make big improvements during the season then happy to move to BRM, our other Clark-Hill chassis.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 09:52:45 PM +0100 »

Ferrari is my choice.
And staying Novice of course!
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 09:57:20 PM +0100 »

Clutch and Mike will contest the Novices Trophy in front of the fanatical tifosi in our season finale, Brabham to Lotus- who will be Bruce Lee, and who will be Chuck Norris?

Cheeky picture here.

Mountside may have slipped too far behind in the team championship though, partly because of the efforts of the renowned Clark-Hill elite transfer unit.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

That's not an offer by the way. We're full.

Put your chassis requests for next season in as well- Ferrari have struggled to retain drivers this time, and both they and Honda will look for new pilots in the next allocations.

I have been considering whether or not to move up to Amateurs, but if I did I would want the Lotus, and as I have only ever raced the Honda and the Lotus I want to expand my horizons and live a much fuller life of enrichment, so I will be staying in Novices in a slower chassis.

As of next season Clark-Hill will become a 2 chassis team so as not to use up all the Lotus seats in the division. We will become the Clark Lotus and the Hill BRM, so I intend to drive for the BRM contingent and whip those Clark-Hill Lotus boys into shape.

I would encourage anybody not in a team to either start one or join one as it makes you a much better person and your driving gets more betterer, so there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 10:31:48 PM +0100 »

Put your chassis requests for next season in as well- Ferrari have struggled to retain drivers this time, and both they and Honda will look for new pilots in the next allocations.

Don't feel ready for the Amateurs yet so would like to stick with the team Lotus in Novices. If, by some miracle, I did make big improvements during the season then happy to move to BRM, our other Clark-Hill chassis.

I've only just started online racing so I'd like to try a full season in the novices. I'm another of those pesky Clark-Hill chaps so it's BRM or Lotus for me too please - don't mind which. BTW, regarding the tracks question, I'd prefer to do less of the original tracks.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 12:52:38 AM +0100 »

I would encourage anybody not in a team to either start one or join one as it makes you a much better person and your driving gets more betterer, so there.


I would love to join a team and become a better person!  Would also like to race the BT11 at Monza as a reserve if there is room.. Would also like to join the novice ranks next season (is there anyone here who better exemplifies the term novice) in whatever chassis is avaliable, preferrably the BT11 as that's what I've been practicing in. Grin

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Mark
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 07:24:51 AM +0100 »

Wow , last race of the season already. Can't believe how quick the season has gone Shocked

Good luck to Clutch and Mike, hope you both have a clean race and may the fastest man win

Regarding tracks for next season, you guys know the best tracks more than me so I will be happy to go along with whatever you choose

I would like to stay with the BT11 for next season

Good luck to all for a good race on Tuesday rockon
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 08:01:31 AM +0100 »

 Roll Eyes I do like to stay  in a Cooper , Novices level.

 Cheesy racing the  original Pappy tracks over and over is a bit boring , there are so many other great tracks out

and no question 60fps would be nice.

planet waves , so dont stand still , right ?

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 08:40:33 AM +0100 »

Would also like to race the BT11 at Monza as a reserve if there is room.

I'm sure there will be room Mark, just wait until there are 30 minutes left on the clock before you join so all the full time Novices can connect first.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 07:24:32 PM +0100 »

I'd like to stay in the Novices next year in my Trusty BT11 if thats Ok. (The only clause would be in the unlikely event i win the Novices Championship this Season, i may consider moving up to the Amateurs. Although i'd probably prefer staying in the Novices in a slower chassis if this occurred... but its a big if.. it'll be practically impossible at Monza)

As for tracks, i'm happy staying with 6 Papy tracks and us using 4 'other' tracks, though i'd personally like us to keep Spa (Great slip streaming battles - better than Monza), and also Rouen which has a great flow to it.

Of the others available, i've always been a fan of Solitude, though have never raced it much, but it'd be good throttling a 65 round there. Reims or Le Mans could also be good for slip streaming and easy to learn for new comers.

As long as we have a variety of tracks over the year then thats fine with me

As for the suggestion of using 60fps, i feel this could limit potential grid sizes, though i guess in a couple of years time, it'll be the norm.

Providing me and NHance are both in the Novices next year, Mountside Racing will return as a double act, so it'll be us against the rest of the grid.. ahem.. i mean  Clark Hill Racing Team..  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 07:55:44 PM +0100 »

I would like to do another season in novices please. I would probably choose a Honda but that will make Mountside no longer a one make team just when Clark Hill are going that way.
With regard to tracks don't drop Spa, Kyalami or Mosport please. Albi should be dug up & returned to pasture as far as I am concerned.

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009, 09:28:14 PM +0100 »

I would probably choose a Honda but that will make Mountside no longer a one make team just when Clark Hill are going that way.

We won't be splitting the team, we will be staying as one, just using two chassis.

If you wanted a Honda I don't think that would cause a problem, you would just have to wear different overalls to Clutch.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2009, 01:48:18 AM +0100 »

No firm decision on chassis yet but I'm fairly happy taking one of the lesser used ones - other than the BT7 & the Cooper as I'm slow enough as it is.
As far as tracks are concerned there are a few favourites I'd like to see - Silverstone (especially now F1 have given it up GPL should keep it alive), Monza & I wouldn't mind Monaco back on the schedule.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 10:23:23 AM +0100 »

I wouldn't mind Monaco back on the schedule.

I would like to race Monaco too, but I don't think Novices online is going to work there.

The grid exploded several times this season on open tracks so I don't think the principality's Hoteliers would be very happy to see us outside their doors, and in some cases, driving through them.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2009, 11:33:23 AM +0100 »

Ok understand, thought Clark Hill were running 2 teams in different cars, but it remains all one team. That's it then, put me down for a Honda as first choice.

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