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  • P1 Interlagos: July 28, 2009
July 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100 - Interlagos (1990-) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 1 Clubmans Groups
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
lelero
 
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65091) P&G Group 4 O2L 2 +0.032
86.643mph
1 1:00:38.188
83.861mph
32 1:49.682
86.928mph
Goodyear  
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65091) P&G Group 4 O2L 1 1:50.011
86.668mph
2 +9.352
83.646mph
32 1:49.325
87.212mph
Goodyear  
Jos Verstappen
 
Shelby Cobra 427 (#66006) P&G Group 4 O2L 6 +1.839
85.243mph
3 +1:31.564
81.803mph
32 1:51.656
85.392mph
Goodyear  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupe (#66009) P&G Group 3 O2L 9 +2.021
85.105mph
4 +1:32.214
81.788mph
32 1:51.584
85.447mph
Firestone  
API
 Team Oldie Racing
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65088) P&G Group 4 O2L 3 +0.908
85.959mph
5 +1:39.345
81.632mph
32 1:51.949
85.168mph
Goodyear  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 911 RSR IROC (#7402) P&G Special 8 +1.976
85.139mph
6 +1L
81.199mph
31 1:52.035
85.103mph
Goodyear  
Mcfids
 Team Pseudo Racing
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65091) P&G Group 4 O2L 10 +2.063
85.073mph
7 +24.873
80.648mph
31 1:52.187
84.987mph
Goodyear  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71059) P&G Special 14 +2.800
84.517mph
8 +37.570
80.370mph
31 1:52.582
84.689mph
Goodyear  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 12 +2.239
84.940mph
9 +57.466
79.937mph
31 1:51.673
85.379mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupe (#67009) P&G Group 3 O2L 7 +1.896
85.200mph
10 +1:08.333
79.703mph
31 1:52.567
84.700mph
Goodyear  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65088) P&G Group 4 O2L 11 +2.138
85.016mph
11 +1:18.293
79.490mph
31 1:51.897
85.208mph
Goodyear  
Josè Arrogantio
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 18 +4.685
83.128mph
12 +2L
78.300mph
30 1:54.408
83.337mph
Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71019) P&G Special 20 +5.707
82.394mph
13 +2.030
78.257mph
30 1:56.020
82.180mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65088) P&G Group 4 O2L 13 +2.544
84.709mph
14 +56.888
77.099mph
30 1:52.622
84.659mph
Goodyear  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71005) P&G Special 15 +3.288
84.153mph
15 +1:05.395
76.923mph
30 1:53.914
83.699mph
Firestone  
LigelC
 Team Shark
Porsche 906 (#66049) P&G Group 6 U2L 19 +4.685
83.128mph
16 +4L
71.474mph
28 1:53.702
83.855mph
Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 16 +3.368
84.094mph
17 +7L 25 1:53.292
84.158mph
unknown
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65091) P&G Group 4 O2L 5 +1.817
85.260mph
18 +17L 15 1:52.137
85.025mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 911 RSR IROC (#7414) P&G Special 17 +4.066
83.579mph
19 +18L 14 1:52.962
84.404mph
suspension
Goodyear  
(VDA)KING
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71059) P&G Special 4 +1.741
85.318mph
20 (+1) +19L 13 1:52.144
85.020mph
engine
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1732s

(VDA) King spins into the pit wall along the start/finish straight. He begins to rejoin just as Tibernius comes round the corner, who is just visible. (VDA) King spins round taking up most of the track width and Tibernius has no opportunity to avoid. Both retire.

Penalty is 1 place, not the maximum 3, since Tibernius had only just appeared as the rejoin began so may not have been seen in the heat of the moment, but (VDA) King's manouvre was quite wild and uncontrolled, leaving almost no track width clear for oncoming cars and so warrants a penalty.


Server replay time: 3617s

Ade is apporaching LigelC to lap him. Laurie appears to move to the middle of the track so Ade looks to pass round the outside into the corner. Entering the braking zone Laurie moves back out to the racing line on the outside and Ade, who is braking much later runs into the back of him losing several seconds and allowing the car behind to close right up.

Ade requests no penalty and the incident involves just a minor misjudgment by Laurie. Its a good opportunity to remind all drivers being lapped to try and hold their line with no sudden direction changes, and no sudden lifts on the throttle.

  • LigelCadvice — Change of line while being lapped - try to stay on the same line

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
1:51.907
85.200mph
Paul968
Qualifying
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupeJuly 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100
P1G
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
1:51.584
85.447mph
Ade
Race
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupeJuly 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100
P1G
GTR2
P&G Group 6 U2L
1:54.696
83.128mph
LigelC
Qualifying
Porsche 906July 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100
P1G
GTR2
P&G Group 6 U2L
1:53.702
83.855mph
LigelC
Race
Porsche 906July 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100
P1G
GTR2
P&G Special
1:51.752
85.318mph
(VDA)KING
Qualifying
Porsche 914/6 GTJuly 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100
P1G
GTR2
P&G Special
1:52.035
85.103mph
spanner
Race
Porsche 911 RSR IROCJuly 28, 2009, 08:43:57 PM +0100
P1G
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2009, 10:42:22 PM +0100 »

Legzy, they are in elans because the cobra is complete pants!
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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2009, 10:48:41 PM +0100 »

Legzy, they are in elans because the cobra is complete pants!
Please recommend some alternatives?
Maybe the Shelby GT350 CASC / Corvette L72 Coupe / Ford Falcon Weslake Heads?

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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2009, 12:50:32 AM +0100 »

Manteos, something you need to understand is that you can't really take each race in isolation, or just look at driver groups without considering the cars that people took. Drivers who take cars from their group that are perhaps less competitive, will be given a bit of leeway before they are promoted, especially when they are not near the top of the results list (Ade is a good example of this). On the other hand, those who take very quick cars (sometimes a bit too quick) will get promoted at the first sniff of a good result. The other thing to bear in mind is that this is first and foremost a fun league. we are trying very hard to balance things out, but there are bound to be anomolies, so the advice is - just enjoy the excellent racing and don't take the result too seriously. For the same reason, it is very important that drivers put fairness and gentlemanly conduct ahead of their desire to win - something that wasn't always that obvious from the evidence of the last race.
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2009, 01:39:48 AM +0100 »

the cobra is a great car to drive, unfortunately the're are too many corners in this track for it to be fast :p
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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2009, 01:54:11 AM +0100 »

You mean 1 or more?  Grin
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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2009, 07:13:59 AM +0100 »

Having been put in Group D now!  :'(
I am slow in everything!
Havn't tried the Elan yet but if it gives me a hope of getting under my current PB of 1.56 then I'll take it!

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« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2009, 09:26:39 AM +0100 »

although it is also a fun league as you put it, i wouldnt write off the desire to win or do well in most of us, after all that is the spirit of racing  Cool

With regards to car choice, i tend to choose the car that i most enjoying driving, or means the most to me in the world of classic race cars, in my group, after trying each of them. This superb mod has brought alive cars that i found just a complete unweilding dog in GTL. Unfortunately, you still see patterns emerging of groups of people trying to take race winning cars in the shape of the Elan or Alfa, but each to their own. All the grids so far have been nicely diverse and makes it a real spectacle on track  Cool

Anyone got a setup for that 427 Cobra? I doubt i'll take it as it seems almost impossible around here, but i like to give it a try. On first impressions i would say it would needs to be driven by an alien around here to get the best out of it, so may be wasted on us group C mortals  Undecided
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« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2009, 09:35:48 AM +0100 »

I'd made my choice, if Cobras are the supposed slower cars in group D, that is what
I will drive then....  Cheesy
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2009, 09:36:52 AM +0100 »

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I didn't write it off Mark, just said that it should not be at the expense of fairness and gentlemanly conduct.
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« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2009, 09:47:53 AM +0100 »

Absolutely old boy  euro  one wouldnt want to be perceived as a bounder or a cad, would one ?  Grin

i think the racing has been pretty fair so far (touch wood) not had anyone make overtly aggressive moves on me even if i could tell i might be holding them up in a certain car/corner. A few made comments after lime rock about dodgy driving and i assume those culprits have been given a verbal ear bashing by the supreme court of moderators?
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« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2009, 11:54:46 AM +0100 »

Guys, you were all very nice ... thanks ... I greatly appreciate British humor!
What more can i say...nothing maybe... looking at all your answers seems I can't try to say NOTHING... Then it's ok, I'm gonna race this one in the way you like it... You will see no more posts written by me...
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« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2009, 01:40:56 PM +0100 »

You will see no more posts written by me...
We know how keen you are Manteos & nobody is asking you not to post here! You (& others) have been most helpful in the setup of these P&G races with the amount of effort you put in before each race. We just want you to enjoy your driving & let others worry about the others. So.... Come back Manteos, all is forgiven  winkiss wub tt1  Grin
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« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2009, 05:09:54 PM +0100 »

Ok... Peace & love guys! Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2009, 10:15:41 AM +0100 »

Gave the F275 speciale a decent run out last night using the 2x factors. Appear to be in the 1:52's with full race fuel and meds (yellow spots).

I need to check the 914 again as i had such varying laptimes dependant on track temperature.
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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2009, 03:18:03 PM +0100 »

Guys i tried 4 cars in the order all with full tank... that's the result:

Shelby GT350 CASC: 1.57.0 (Tyres Eater)
Corvette L72: 1.56.5
Ford Falcon Weslake: I gave up after the first lap... it's not a car in my opinion... is a coffin
Alfa Volumetrico: 1.55.4

Seems that all these cars are really out of pace...
Than... in group D 2 choices remained:
Lotus Elan
Corvette L88
The 2 Cobras are in pants as Paul said. Cutting the Elan, i think that apart from Paul and Ayrton that would probably have a pace near 1.52-1.53 low with the L88... I was pretty near more at a race pace of 1.53 high- 1.54. in race conditions... that is not a pace to fight with each other.
Than... you have some others suggestion about some other group D cars that could substitute the Elan or we can consider it a Group D car for the race without any changes?!?
I wait for an answer, and for your considerations... I hope without humor this time Smiley. Cu!

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