UKPnG Season 1 Clubmans - Interlagos - Jul 28

[PippoPelo]

1:49.491  -  Gr6-2 Porsche 906-E Carrera 6
1:52.091  -  TC70 Porsche 914/6 GT
1:52.430  -  Gr3-2L Lotus Elan 26R
1:53.975  -  IROC Porsche 911 RSR IROC (i don't like this car)
1:54.130  -  Gr3+2L Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (with error....very time is 1:52.xxx)

more before I will use the others

legzy what is the time limit for the race?

[Wiltshire Tony]

1:52 in the 906-6, full fuel

[Legzy]

1:52 in the 906-6, full fuel

& was it mid 1:50's qually fuel Tony?


I managed 1:53 in the F275 Specials with race fuel. Should be more to come with time (I hope! ).

[Wiltshire Tony]

Yes, sorry forgot that. IIRC it was 1:50's with 10litres

[Mark J]

are the car groupings staying as is? Not run any laps for a few days but want to make sure i use the right ones for future praccy laps, especially now i need to test witht the 2x malarkey.

[Legzy]

are the car groupings staying as is?

I've just updated them.

Here are the changes made:
Porsche 906-E = Removed from available list.
GT40 MK2 = Now considered a slower car (so is obviously still available to the 'Group-4' drivers).
Porsche 911 IROC = Now considered a faster car.
Cobra 427 = Now considered a slower car.
Porsche 914 = Now considered a slower car.


p.s. The Elan is looking possibly to fast for Group D (especially when you take into account tyre/fuel consumption), if anybody has any thoughts on that please fire away or even a suggestion of a car that could replace it in that group?

[Manteos]

Hi Legzy! Yesterday we had a training race in 8-9 peoples of 1h and x2 fuel & tyre consumption.
I was with the Elan, but i had to fight a lot with the 2 Porsche 914 to win the race, and i had a worst best lap in race, even if I was a lot more trained than the 2 drivers in Porsche 914, that were 2 newbies of P&G...
My idea is that if a driver like Ade or Mark Jonzo, will take a car like the 914, would make a race pace probably near 1.50.5 at worst... mine pace with Elan yesterday was near a 1.51.6 (pushing hardly), very close with 2 less expert drivers, but is not comparable with mine 1.50.5 done with 80 litres on the Porsche 914, after only 9 laps... With the Elan I've done more than 120 laps.... just to tell you
Anyway two days ago i had a friendly speech with Ade, and he knows that i consider him a group D driver, because he's surely strong as me. I wait some lap times made by him, in race conditions to have an idea if I'm making wrong consideration about these 2 cars... for me Elan should remain in group D, and the 2 Cobras 289 seems really unnecessary in that group in my opinion... Maybe should be better put the Cobra 427 in group D to give it a chance of race, because it seems really a difficult car to drive...
Regarding the tyres consumption is true that the Elan is slightly better than a 914, but if you put harder tyres, as needed to finish the race in good conditions, pace would be probably higher, and it's an hard decision to take for the strategy. Yesterday with the White spot on rear i was not able to finish the race, and I had to change it after 20 laps during my pit...
Anyway the moral of this story is that if you cut the elan by group D i see no chances for people like me, Pippo and IvAlAx to fight against group C drivers like Ade, MJ, samb, and the others i forget.
I hope I have been clear in explaining. I wait for your opinions Cu!

[Mark J]

LOL...is there some conspiracy going around, to keep me out of my beloved Porsches ?  My sponsors won't be happy 

will run some laps in the 914 later on and let you know my times. The P&G 914's are great fun by the way, in case any of you havent tried them. Real grunty little race cars 

[Manteos]

No Mark! Nobody wants to make angry your sponsor ! But 2 days ago Ade with the 275 speciale was just nearer to a pace of 1.51.0 with a full Tank and he was faster than me about 2-3 tenth for lap, with less fuel in the same car! As i said before, he is a group D driver in my opinion, and if he takes a car like 914 or a 275 he becomes unbeatable by a Lotus Elan, for me, Pippomox and especially for IvAlAx that yesterday was pretty out of my race pace yet... If all of us should have the chances to compete for the first position, i think that something in drivers groupings should be changed looking at the few times i saw in this post.
I wait especially Ade's opinion, because if I'm not crazy and if I understood everything he said to me 2 days ago, he was in agreement with me. That's it ! Wait for others suggestions! Cu



 

[Mark J]

yeah how the heck is Ade still in group D? shifty bugger is sandbagging i reckon     

[goldtop]

One of my fave tracks but looking like I can't make this one

[Ade]

In my defence your honour I don't jump into the fastest car in my group looking for an easy win (after one and a half years of sim racing I've only had 2 outright wins, so I'm certainly no alien)I take a car i enjoy driving , i took the TR4 out last time  (group 'D').
 I'm sure i would be too fast in the 914 so i wouldn't be taking it (ill still give it a little go later on though)
If the powers that be think i should be in group 'D' then that's fine with me.

                                                          Cheers Ade

[Mark J]

we believe you, ya ringer !   

Just tried the 914 out. Need a second opinion from other mortals. I could only manage a 1:51.850 after pounding around for about 20-30 laps online, and even then i think only because the track temps reached 47 degrees!  which got some heat into the medium compound tyres. That was with full fuel too. Before the temperature rose i was only managing regular 1:53s and 1:54s which then became 51's and 52s in the heat.

Anyone tried the 427? its a complete death trap here, i could barely keep it pointing the right way and it fell off at every opportunity. 

[Legzy]

Ade = As i said before, he is a group D driver in my opinion,

Manteos, as I've said before... let me worry about people being in the right or wrong group... you can then concentrate on enjoying your driving  

[Legzy]

I'm on the server at the moment & there are four Group-D drivers all in Elan's. If that's not enough to tell me the car needs promoting then what is? 
Can you fast chaps possibly spin a few laps in the E-Type Lightweight / F275 / Alfa Volumetrico to see where they fit pace wise please?