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August 20, 2009, 08:34:46 PM +0100 - Jarama - UKGTL Season 8 Season 8 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Lotus Elite (#120) GTC-65 1 1:44.125
72.936mph
1 47:55.590
71.307mph
27 1:44.756
72.496mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Jaguar MkII (#850) TC-65 D2 3 +1.639
71.805mph
2 +22.753
70.747mph
27 1:46.003
71.643mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#201322) GTC-65 2 +1.307
72.031mph
3 +23.163
70.737mph
27 1:45.750
71.815mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#205706) TC-65 D1 5 +2.031
71.540mph
4 +33.437
70.487mph
27 1:45.434
72.030mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Lotus Elite (#120) GTC-65 18 +3.975
70.254mph
5 +37.353
70.392mph
27 1:46.209
71.504mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Prodigy Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#205706) TC-65 D1 14 +2.966
70.916mph
6 +37.828
70.381mph
27 1:45.875
71.730mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#201405) TC-65 D1 11 +2.595
71.162mph
7 +51.210
70.059mph
27 1:46.569
71.263mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Jaguar MkII (#201312) TC-65 D2 4 +1.994
71.565mph
8 +57.374
69.912mph
27 1:46.498
71.310mph
Dunlop  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#201405) TC-65 D1 8 +2.291
71.365mph
9 +57.628
69.906mph
27 1:46.611
71.235mph
Dunlop  
dynosaur
 Prodigy Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#205706) TC-65 D1 10 +2.498
71.227mph
10 +57.999
69.897mph
27 1:45.849
71.748mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elite (#171) GTC-65 9 +2.438
71.267mph
11 +1:02.551
69.789mph
27 1:46.742
71.147mph
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 Legends Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#200805) TC-65 D1 12 +2.621
71.145mph
12 +1:06.764
69.689mph
27 1:46.427
71.358mph
Dunlop  
API
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elite (#171) GTC-65 13 +2.654
71.123mph
13 +1:16.246
69.465mph
27 1:47.290
70.784mph
Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elite (#205710) GTC-65 15 +3.311
70.688mph
14 +1:18.954
69.401mph
27 1:47.142
70.882mph
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#205706) TC-65 D1 7 +2.218
71.414mph
15 +1:34.003
69.050mph
27 1:46.703
71.173mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Jaguar MkII (#850) TC-65 D2 16 +3.535
70.541mph
16 +1:39.387
68.925mph
27 1:48.100
70.254mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#450) TC-65 D1 22 +6.024
68.947mph
17 +1L
68.006mph
26 1:48.228
70.171mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#205706) TC-65 D1 21 +5.347
69.373mph
18 +56.782
66.701mph
26 1:49.578
69.306mph
Dunlop  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#201322) GTC-65 6 +2.061
71.520mph
19 +57.007
66.696mph
26 1:46.612
71.234mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#450) TC-65 D1 23 +6.351
68.743mph
20 +58.420
66.665mph
26 1:50.395
68.793mph
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#201322) GTC-65 24 +7.609
67.969mph
21 +2L
65.873mph
25 1:51.138
68.333mph
Dunlop  
jimmer
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elite (#171) GTC-65 22 +13L 14 1:50.980
68.430mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Burtoner
 Team Shark
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#450) TC-65 D1 19 +4.953
69.624mph
23 +15L 12 1:48.340
70.098mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#201405) TC-65 D1 20 +5.216
69.456mph
24 +25L 2 1:50.715
68.594mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elite (#171) GTC-65 17 +3.874
70.319mph
+27L 0 ---
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DQ
Dunlop  

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Server replay time: 2149s

Alex is ahead and flashes Ruskus through, Goldtop behind seems to misjudge his braking as he goes to follow Ruskus through then sees Alex. In locking up though it send him into Alex.

This spins Goldtop ending up in the middle of the track facing the apex.

It takes some time to restart his engine who then drives forward as PR is coming round.

Alex has request no penalty for the first part and PR hasnt responded to the second incident so only a warning is given to be more careful. Both W_Tony and Oily had managed to get past on the inside while Goldtop was stationary showing there was room and the better action would have been to reverse away from the corner, however it is appreciated the lack of vision made judgement difficult.


SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
TC-65 D1
1:46.156
71.540mph
mr_oily
Qualifying
FIAT Abarth 1000TCAugust 20, 2009, 08:34:46 PM +0100
L8S
GT Legends
TC-65 D1
1:45.434
72.030mph
mr_oily
Race
FIAT Abarth 1000TCAugust 20, 2009, 08:34:46 PM +0100
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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2009, 09:33:56 PM +0100 »

18th to 5th. Not bad for a nights fun racing as always.  laugh

Cars felt a bit weedy around that fantastic circuit, but none-the-less was interesting trying to maintain corner speed as much as possible.

VERY sorry to the Abarth I my car managed to flip on it's roof early on. Was just hustle and bustle of early laps and some side contact caused it to roll on like it was on spin cycle. My car froze for 5-10 seconds in the middle of the race and then came back. losing me a few places and quite a few seconds. Retaking the places seemed far too easy the second time around.

Tyres on the Elite didn't wear very much at all and it helped me get my lap times down about 2 seconds faster than qualifying. Desperately trying to get into the 1:45s, but I didn't quite manage it.

Well done Dan on the win and Jeff 'Slippers' Ruskus in second and Ade rounding off the podium!
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2009, 09:52:12 PM +0100 »

Apologies to API if I held you up. Usually I get a blue light telling me I have a lead lap car behind me, but no light showed so I thought we were competing. Sorry.
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2009, 09:57:37 PM +0100 »

Results & Replay in usual spots...
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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2009, 10:07:31 PM +0100 »

First off an apology to Paulo for cutting right in front of you after I spun and restarted. The angle I was at meant I couldn't see anyone approaching and didn't know whether to go forwards or reverse, so I was trying to listen but didn't hear you. I know you later lost a place that lap as a consequence Embarrassed  Secondly, an apology to Alex (I think it was) for knocking you off track which led to this incident; I didn't realise you were letting Jeff through on the corner and I had nowhere to go to avoid you.

That pretty much summed up my race: not too far off a decent pace, but more spins than a launderette. I've been working on a new method/style which is faster, but high risk for me at the moment, got me to P6 in quali but nowhere near consistent enough to race with. I'll need much more pracci before I use it again.

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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2009, 10:33:55 PM +0100 »

Hmm.. just couldnt get on around here so qualified lower than i thought i would. Got surprised by Blunder jump starting, flying straight past me but seemed to end up about 9th on the first lap but slowly dropped back spent a while trying to get past Burtoner with API. Got a bit tight there and knudged API, sorry. Seemed to end up ahead once past then seemed to be slowly gaining on the guys ahead but sadly couldnt quite keep it up they started to pull away then lost the place to API on the last lap as i overcooked it.
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2009, 10:47:42 PM +0100 »

Good to be back racing with you guys,
Got jumped at the start by Jeff but just about held off Matt into the first corner.  Battled with Jeff for 6 or 7 laps who was defending very well making the Jag wider than it already was. Managed to get a run off the first corner and went passed round the outside of the first left hander, This was blessing getting the pass done so early on in the lap as it gave me a whole lap to get enough of a gap so that Jeff would not blast by when we came to the s/f straight .
After that just tried to keep it tidy to the end.

Grats to rest of podium and those who finished.

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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2009, 07:07:56 AM +0100 »

Wasn´t my race, hehe. Overdid the first right hander a couple times and went wide and lost a lot of time, then spent some time behind Matt´s whale trying to overtake but Matt kept the line well and I just had to wait. Finally got past but then made a few mistakes once again and lost some more time. Ah well, hopefully Nord is a better one for me. Grats to the podium boys, and thanks for some nice racing, had a good battle with Legzy at one point, that was nice while it lasted!
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2009, 08:27:13 AM +0100 »

Apologies to someone i bumped off track earlier on, i was doing well around 12-13th making quite few places off start, and was pretty consistant, think my fastest lap was in 47s for 1st time. So was pretty pleased with it, just im finding it hard to complete races without losing concentration.
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2009, 09:46:30 AM +0100 »

First off an apology to Paul for cutting right in front of you after I spun and restarted. The angle I was at meant I couldn't see anyone approaching and didn't know whether to go forwards or reverse, so I was trying to listen but didn't hear you. I know you later lost a place that lap as a consequence Embarrassed  

No problem goldtop, it was a race incident.  Smiley

Qualified 14th but after a good start I was battling for 5th position on lap 2.  Shocked
Was a good idea to add a nitro feature to the Abarth's engine.  Grin
I enjoyed every second of the race, mainly because the huge fight with Geoffers and mr_oily.
Ofcourse that with mr_oily it was a team fight strategy and I just loved how we managed
to race for so many laps and we understood each other so well. Fantastic mate.  Wink

Unfortunately a few laps from the finish when I was hoping for a mr_oily and me "photo
finish" for team's album (oily in front as he was a bit faster than me) goldtop spun on the left
hairpin, mr_oily passed well on the inside and when I was doing the same, goldtop began
to move and I couldn't avoid him, lost contact with my team mate and Simon got me.
Lost a place for Simon and after that I lost also speed. Car felt good on all those corners
but it lost some speed. Anyway, tried hard to overtake Simon, but a consistent driving
from him doesn't allowed me to do so.
Good fun with the less powerfull cars, awesome.  Cheesy

Congrats to Dan and podium finishers.
Well done to all.

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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2009, 11:00:03 AM +0100 »

Great to see such a large field btw..
Yup, with 25 drivers last night it pipped our previous GTL high for the season of 24. Just a couple more to fill the grid would be great to see Cool

Really enjoyed the race last night, was busy all race long with one car or another never being more then 2 secs in front or behind. Had some great racing particularly with Dyno, I was able to keep up & hassle him when we were together, but one mistake too many let him open up a gap & that was enough to give him the safety gap he needed to concentrate on pulling away. Was pleased to see you again in the tail end of the race, but I badly over ran at a corner before one of the double right handers & you were again able to get away  :'(

Had many more good laps with other drivers too, but usually it ended with me out-braking myself as I slipped gradually down the order. Great fun though & finished 11th with Geoffers (on badly worn tyres) in 8th in view just a couple of secs up the road.

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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2009, 11:00:56 AM +0100 »

Horrible evening for me, when you expect to be fighting for wins its pretty hard to take being a good 2 seconds a lap off the pace (although Dan obviously had a great race Smiley).  Can't even blame setup or concentration, both were good last night.

Spent the whole night going backwards from about 6th on the first lap, and trying to get the car to turn in, my usual style totally outclassed by this track, so tried to flick it into the corners more which took my times down from 47 to mid-ish 46s but made loads of errors trying to drive a more aggressive style that I'm not comfortable with, and it didn't work anyway.  Tongue

Had some good close racing early on, although managed to almost ruin Oily's race when I had a look down the inside and missed my braking point, speared into you, sorry mate, I was mighty relieved when you carried on only losing a second or so, I was the big loser from that, well deserved!

Really frustrating having such an inflexible driving style - it doesn't feel particularly unique to me, but it must be, the way most tracks I can be right up there and the odd track I'm miles off the pace and can't do anything about it.  Oh well, will stick Jarama in the box marked 'I never want to race there again', along with Mexico City if I remember rightly.  Not that it's a bad track, just it murders my driving style.  Roll on some fast flowing tracks with no tight technical corners.  
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2009, 11:32:51 AM +0100 »


Really frustrating having such an inflexible driving style - it doesn't feel particularly unique to me, but it must be, the way most tracks I can be right up there and the odd track I'm miles off the pace and can't do anything about it.  Oh well, will stick Jarama in the box marked 'I never want to race there again', along with Mexico City if I remember rightly.  Not that it's a bad track, just it murders my driving style.  Roll on some fast flowing tracks with no tight technical corners.  


I'm with you Steve.  Right to the end I was still struggling of a couple of tight right handers, whereas some of the faster corners I could drive absolutely flat.  Well my flat, I finished the last of the runners but was chuffed with a new PB in the race.

Set new PBs in practice and qualifying but was still way off the pace in 24th.  Had a few short battles with Tony and a couple of others until in each case ran too wide on corners mentioned above.  Then it was lonely until the leaders and most of the field lapped me.

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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2009, 12:27:59 PM +0100 »

Yep Bill, think it was a tricky track for most of us except the very adaptable and sideways types out there!!

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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2009, 01:18:58 PM +0100 »

Another cracking race - man was that washing machine amusing to drive! Unfortunately I really cocked it up big time in the early stages. Broke the golden rule and made a diff change after qually making the rear more snap oversteery on the power than I'd wanted for the race . Booted it too early and on the curb, so it bit me sending me off onto the grass and right down the pack.

Spent quite a few laps in a gaggle of cars, great fun but all the ducking and diving cost quite a lot of time - after that, had some good stuff with Steve (no worries mate, thought that was my fault to begin with!) who was very quick in places and then as PR says, some brilliant close quarters stuff with him and some great team work going on with us taking it in turns to have a go at poor Geoffers in the mobile sofa GT. We did both eventually make it past (just!!) after many laps but unfortunately that grandstand finish wasn't to be with PR being collected.

Not quite the result I wanted but after a visit to the grass and many laps in traffic it was damage limitation. I too never quite felt I got the right flow around here - I love the track and am looking forward to more practice but something about the place just kept confusing me (it doesn't take much  Grin) this time out, it's like the layout never really sunk in! Was definitely overcooking the first part of those double apex corners at times and having far too many scrappy corner exits!

Grats to the podium, really good drive Ade and cheers to everyone I had scraps with, only had a quick flick through the replay but it's bloomin' entertaining.

Welcome back Mr. Minton/ Jeff, good to see you chaps just please leave some points for the rest of us  Grin
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2009, 02:55:00 PM +0100 »

No problem Tony  Wink

Hmm.. just couldnt get on around here so qualified lower than i thought i would. Got surprised by Blunder jump starting, flying straight past me but seemed to end up about 9th on the first lap but slowly dropped back spent a while trying to get past Burtoner with API. Got a bit tight there and knudged API, sorry. Seemed to end up ahead once past then seemed to be slowly gaining on the guys ahead but sadly couldnt quite keep it up they started to pull away then lost the place to API on the last lap as i overcooked it.

No worries about the hit. Smiley Bad luck that spin at the end of the race. Well done Dan and podium.
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