Phil Thornton
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« on: August 13, 2009, 10:45:33 PM +0100 » |
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Season 18 - Graduates CupThe Graduates Cup replaces the two 67 divisions we ran last season, namely Division 1 and the Clubmans Cup. The 67 cars are widely regarded as the most challenging to drive, so this division will be regarded as the premier division in UKGPL. Consequently the rules have been tailored to provide a challenge to our most accomplished drivers. Members of the Amateurs and Novice Divisions, who have aspirations to drive the 1967 brutes, would be most welcome but they would not enjoy the chassis advantage afforded by the lower divisions. The handicapping system for Division 1 (previously considered the premier division in UKGPL) used pit stops to equalize the chassis and provide a level playing field for the drivers. The intention being that the fastest driver will usually win the race and should always win the championship regardless of his choice of chassis. The pit stop system has served UKGPL well for many seasons but there are other handicapping systems that could achieve the same objective. With this in mind we will be using a new handicapping system for the Graduates Cup based on tokens. It is hoped that this will provide a new and exciting challenge that will rekindle interest in the 67 cars. The token system will allow drivers to “purchase” a chassis for a race; the faster chassis will cost more tokens. Each driver will be entitled to the same number of tokens, so over an entire season no one driver will have a net chassis advantage and consequently the fastest driver should win the championship. Please check the Season 18 pages for details regarding rules and the Graduates Cup pages in particular. The races will be run as follows: Car set: 67 F1 only Date: Every second Sunday from 6th September 2009 Time: 9:00pm London UK Time (30 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm) Race Length: 50 minutes Damage Model: PRO Server: 4.UKGPL Race List: IGOR Provisional Calendar as follows: Date | Day | Time | Track | 06/09/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Watkins Glen | 20/09/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Laguna Seca | 04/10/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Kyalami | 18/10/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Oulton Park | 01/11/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Spa | 15/11/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Bremgarten | 29/11/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Zandvoort | 13/12/2009 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Adelaide | 10/01/2010 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Silverstone | 24/01/2010 | Sunday | 9:00pm | Monza |
The provisional calendar may be changed at the discretion of the Divisional Moderator. If you would like to enter this series please submit an entry in the poll.
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vosblod
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 10:01:44 AM +0100 » |
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Just a note following some feedback. It's not the intention for this to be a direct replacement for Division 1; we're working to re-grow the 67's and are actively encouraging lesser mortals to sign up as well. If we get enough drivers we may be able to run two sub-championships (a la 65's Season 16) from the one grid. Obviously you will need to have gained enough experience to mix with faster drivers but, that aside, everyone is welcome...
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2009, 01:06:52 PM +0100 » |
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I need to have a read of the rules, but I'm back for this naturally
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Billy Nobrakes
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2009, 02:23:24 PM +0100 » |
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Sorry to see the demise of Clubmans. Will give this some though but my initial inclination is not to enter. I've only run 67's at Siverstone & Monza last year i.e. fairly limited experience. My qualification at Monza was witthin 2 seconds of pole - which I'd say is fast enough not to be a menace but would probably be a nuisance to the D1 drivers. (Especially at Watkins & Laguna where I guess they will be lapping at a touch over 1 minute). Firstly, I can't see myself getting a 67 car through a 50 minute race without some sort of mishap. (Assume Pro settings means No Shift R). Second - & the main reason for this post is others may have the same question - will the token system mean you have to run a variety of chassis'? I tried the BRM, Honda, Cooper & Brabham last season & struggled with them all apart from the Brab.BT24 is not in the same class as the Lotus or Fezza but presumably fast enough that you couldn't have it every race.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2009, 02:43:35 PM +0100 » |
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Second - & the main reason for this post is others may have the same question - will the token system mean you have to run a variety of chassis'? Well that depends on what chassis you want. The Brabham only costs 10 tokens per race so you could use it all season and still have 20 tokens in hand. If you want the Lotus, Eagle or Ferrari then some strategy is required. Fair enough re mishaps but, provided you have the wherewithall to let the faster drivers by safely, I can't see a problem. I would encourage you to join; if we don't get the numbers back up we can't justify a second league.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2009, 03:57:45 PM +0100 » |
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Could you not give the "Genuine Clubmans" end of the field a bigger budget that would let them run Lotus/Eagle all season?
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john roberts
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2009, 04:03:28 PM +0100 » |
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Could you not give the "Genuine Clubmans" end of the field a bigger budget that would let them run Lotus/Eagle all season? No. john
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2009, 04:25:22 PM +0100 » |
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Could you not give the "Genuine Clubmans" end of the field a bigger budget that would let them run Lotus/Eagle all season?
Personally I wouldn't mind that, because the faster cars get longer pitstops anyway, so they wouldn't really gain anything from it, apart from feeling more comfortable if the other cars are a handful. But the thing is, driving more cars and having a set challenge is the best way to improve. I would think newcomers or slower drivers main aim is to improve, not have it easy and walk away with it instead, right? On second note, perhaps there could be 2 sub-classes and 2 separate points tables for each of those. I.e. D1 A and D1 B sub-class, with the drivers in each reflecting what was once D1 and Clubman's separation, but everyone running together instead. I have a feeling there are a lot more than 20 drivers anyway, so I won't be surprised if the divisions splits soon enough, as long as people just sign up that is...
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john roberts
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2009, 04:27:11 PM +0100 » |
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Personally I wouldn't mind that, because the faster cars get longer pitstops anyway, so they wouldn't really gain anything from it, apart from feeling more comfortable if the other cars are a handful. what pitstops ? john
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2009, 04:30:23 PM +0100 » |
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Personally I wouldn't mind that, because the faster cars get longer pitstops anyway, so they wouldn't really gain anything from it, apart from feeling more comfortable if the other cars are a handful. what pitstops ? john Ah, OK, I misread the rules clarification. But anyway, with a few exceptions, I don't expect clubman's drivers to mix it up with the top, regardless of chassis... except at tracks like Spa and Monza perhaps. Besides, the more they're encouraged to sign up, the bigger the fields and the chances they get a separate division (I suppose).
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john roberts
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2009, 04:34:02 PM +0100 » |
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Ah, OK, I misread the rules clarification. But anyway, with a few exceptions, I don't expect clubman's drivers to mix it up with the top, regardless of chassis... except at tracks like Spa and Monza perhaps. Besides, the more they're encouraged to sign up, the bigger the fields and the chances they get a separate division (I suppose). yes it would be nice if we could get that many drivers to sign up and we could run two grids or divisions . john
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Phil Thornton
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 07:50:12 PM +0100 » |
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I just want to reiterate what John said. We are only running one division per night (if you consider the Amateurs and Novices are essentially the same division) so if we get enough drivers for 2 grids we can always run 2 servers for ANY of our divisions. If we got 40 entrants for the Graduates we would run 2 servers and effectively have the "D1" standard drivers on one server and the "clubmans" standard drivers on the other. It would be nice if it happened but judging by the numbers racing last season, unlikely.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2009, 08:53:20 PM +0100 » |
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Glad to have another go at 67. Will miss the first race though.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2009, 09:17:38 PM +0100 » |
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This sounds like a good idea. Count me in! Which version of Laguna Seca are we using? The 67 version is a bit nuts, especially that first chicane!
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Billy Nobrakes
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2009, 12:14:39 AM +0100 » |
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Okay - I have signed up for less than 75%. Will run at Watkins - if I'm more hindrance than help I will reconsider. Don't want to cause problems for the more accomplished drivers but I am presuming the intent is to maximise the amount of drivers in the league. If enough sign up the we will get a second division league. Competing at a higher level is a great incentive to improve. My issue is that, at my stage, I am likely to have some sort of incident which will require a Shift R. Clubmans gave this safety-net.
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