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  • P1T Barber: September 08, 2009
September 08, 2009, 08:33:33 PM +0100 - Barber (GP) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 1 Clubmans Tokens
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
(VDA) MinholoS
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 1 1:38.242
84.210mph
1 1:04:05.103
81.759mph
38 1:38.695
83.823mph
Dunlop  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 3 +0.811
83.520mph
2 +8.573
81.577mph
38 1:38.979
83.583mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#64044) P&G Group 3 U2L 5 +1.221
83.176mph
3 +33.989
81.043mph
38 1:39.830
82.870mph
Dunlop  
API
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 6 +2.194
82.370mph
4 +55.230
80.601mph
38 1:40.733
82.127mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 10 +3.341
81.440mph
5 +1L
79.571mph
37 1:41.361
81.619mph
Dunlop  
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 12 +3.618
81.219mph
6 +25.181
79.053mph
37 1:42.192
80.955mph
Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elan 26R (#64054) P&G Group 3 U2L 9 +3.311
81.464mph
7 +40.329
78.745mph
37 1:41.890
81.195mph
Dunlop  
jpv
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#64054) P&G Group 3 U2L 11 +3.395
81.397mph
8 +55.942
78.430mph
37 1:41.836
81.238mph
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Chevrolet Corvette C2 roadster (#67007) P&G Group 3 O2L 13 +3.660
81.185mph
9 +1:09.110
78.166mph
37 1:42.334
80.843mph
Goodyear  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 8 +2.866
81.823mph
10 +1:13.079
78.087mph
37 1:41.250
81.708mph
Dunlop  
(VDA)KING
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 2 +0.804
83.526mph
11 +1:25.416
77.842mph
37 1:39.989
82.739mph
Dunlop  
lelero
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 14 +3.833
81.048mph
12 +1:32.696
77.698mph
37 1:42.142
80.995mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Shelby Cobra 289 (#63016) P&G Group 3 O2L 16 +4.298
80.680mph
13 (+2) +1:38.077
77.592mph
37 1:42.518
80.697mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 17 +4.377
80.618mph
14 +2L
77.055mph
36 1:42.707
80.549mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 15 +4.021
80.899mph
15 +39.298
76.279mph
36 1:42.645
80.598mph
Dunlop  
Mcfids
 Team Pseudo Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 23 +6.737
78.806mph
16 +43.086
76.206mph
36 1:45.006
78.785mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#63023) P&G Group 3 O2L 22 +6.663
78.861mph
17 +48.227
76.105mph
36 1:43.770
79.724mph
Dunlop  
Andy Charman
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 25 +8.303
77.647mph
18 +3L
73.460mph
35 1:45.393
78.496mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
Alfa Romeo 1600 GTA (#67115) P&G Group 2 26 +10.037
76.404mph
19 +4L
72.641mph
34 1:48.453
76.281mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 24 +7.906
77.938mph
20 +9.976
72.455mph
34 1:46.189
77.908mph
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Shelby Cobra 289 (#64084) P&G Group 3 O2L 20 +6.259
79.166mph
21 34 1:43.436
79.981mph
suspension
Goodyear  
Josè Arrogantio
 
Austin Healey 3000 (don't use) (#63033) P&G Group 3 O2L 27 +13.708
73.899mph
22 +6L
67.142mph
32 1:51.453
74.228mph
Dunlop  
IvAlAx
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 18 +4.734
80.339mph
23 32 1:42.487
80.722mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Pippomox
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 24 +9L 29 1:42.674
80.575mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Jos Verstappen
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 19 +6.160
79.241mph
25 +15L 23 1:43.931
79.600mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 4 +1.064
83.308mph
26 +33L 5 1:39.293
83.318mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Gavino Pintus
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 7 +2.527
82.098mph
27 +35L 3 1:41.707
81.341mph
DQ
Dunlop  
icarus17
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 21 +6.305
79.131mph
28 +37L 1 2:00.247
68.800mph
suspension
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Drivers who overspent their seasons Token Allocation

  • (VDA) MinholoSadvice — Tokens Debt = 2 Tokens — 10.0 championship point(s)
  • Truetomadvice — Tokens Debt = 4 Tokens — 20.0 championship point(s)


Server replay time: 150s

Matt Rowe badly misjudges his approach to turn three on lap one of the race. He makes contact with Lelero who in turn can not avoid colliding with Manteos. Both VDA drivers end up losing five or six places as a result.
I accept Matt's explanation for not waiting in this instance with 28 cars on the track and know from first-hand experience he has waited in other circumstances. Given that Matt must have realised he was responsible for the accident, he might have considered a self-imposed drive through instead. (Easy I know with hindsight to suggest).
Given that the accident occurred on the first lap where drivers are urged to be cautious, I have no option but to impose the two place penalty prescribed.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 2
1:48.279
76.404mph
Wiltshire Tony
Qualifying
Alfa Romeo 1600 GTASeptember 08, 2009, 08:33:33 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 2
1:48.453
76.281mph
Wiltshire Tony
Race
Alfa Romeo 1600 GTASeptember 08, 2009, 08:33:33 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 3 U2L
1:38.242
84.210mph
(VDA) MinholoS
Qualifying
Lotus Elan 26RSeptember 08, 2009, 08:33:33 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 3 U2L
1:38.695
83.823mph
(VDA) MinholoS
Race
Lotus Elan 26RSeptember 08, 2009, 08:33:33 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
1:39.293
83.318mph
Truetom
Race
Ferrari 275 GTB/C SpecialeSeptember 08, 2009, 08:33:33 PM +0100
P1T
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« Reply #90 on: September 09, 2009, 04:10:43 PM +0100 »

I really enjoyed that. Great tough track & obviously the complete opposite of Daytona.

Maybe that's why out of the 28 drivers that started the race, 20 were in Elan's or Alpines, it was possibly the single twistiest track I think I've ever done  Undecided.

I know that personally I tried 17 different car models here (yes that's not a misprint) ranging from the IROC to the TR4. I really wanted to use something like the E-Type lightweight or the Volumetrico, but they just didn't float my boat here. The 3 cars I enjoyed the most were (in order) the Abarth, the Alpine, the Elan. I even managed 1:48's in the Abarth, but I ran round on my own at the back for the last race & wanted to be closer to the sharp end this time. Breaking my PB in qually by 1.5 secs was quite a pleasant surprise Grin, seeing the driver on pole still over a second ahead of me & in the same car was a further surprise! Shocked

Gutted for the people who have not been able to get on the server due to overcrowding, especially the people who got on but lost connecting & then couldn't rejoin Sad. 28 is the limit, but I'll make sure our server guru is aware of the questions people have been raising here.

I'll work out the tokens spent by everyone for this race & your remaining budgets, also grant our new comers an official budget (which as stated may be more or less then my initial guessed quota for them Wink).
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« Reply #91 on: September 09, 2009, 04:21:39 PM +0100 »

Great fun throughout the race. After the initial mayhem ended up behind Blunder's Corvette, just couldn't find any way to get past in my Elan. With Tim closing in from the rear I had to try some desperate measures and spun my car, which dropped me right into another battle with a couple of Alpines and the roles were reversed.

Full tank of fuel was more than enough and the tyres felt good all the way to the end so I decided to just do a quick stop near the end. Didn't realize I could just have changed my front tyres, that could have saved me a dozen seconds and I might have still had a shot for 7th. Nevertheless very pleased with the race. I do like the new token system, exiting to be in the better part of the grid for a change.  Grin
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« Reply #92 on: September 09, 2009, 04:29:10 PM +0100 »


Gutted for the people who have not been able to get on the server due to overcrowding, especially the people who got on but lost connecting & then couldn't rejoin Sad. 28 is the limit, but I'll make sure our server guru is aware of the questions people have been raising here.

As 28 started the race, I guess that when I left & tried to rejoin with about 90s of qually left, someone was waiting in the lobby for just such an occurance to happen.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2009, 04:43:53 PM +0100 »


Gutted for the people who have not been able to get on the server due to overcrowding, especially the people who got on but lost connecting & then couldn't rejoin Sad. 28 is the limit, but I'll make sure our server guru is aware of the questions people have been raising here.

As 28 started the race, I guess that when I left & tried to rejoin with about 90s of qually left, someone was waiting in the lobby for just such an occurance to happen.  Roll Eyes
Possibly having lost their own space before yourself mate. I know that my connection dropped out in practice & I think Tony's did at the same time, we got back in then as numbers 27 & 28  sweatdrop. Having put the practice time in, I'd have been taz too had it all been a waste.
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« Reply #94 on: September 09, 2009, 05:36:14 PM +0100 »

Yes Legzy, I saw you and Tony drop out simultaneously right in front of me. I seemed to go just as prac turned over to Quali, but managed to get back in about 6 or 7 minutes into the session.

I've been thinking of possible solutions to this problem and would like to put one forward.

How about we run 2 races one after the other on PnG evenings and split the field by some kind of ranking system. Maybe a division 1 and division 2. This way the current tokens system could remain and there would still be close racing. At the end of each season there could be promotion/relegation between the 2 divisions which I think would be good for competion. There would still be room for new drivers to join in either division depending on their level. Speaking as someone who is firmly division 2 material, I think it would add further spice to an already great series.

Just a suggestion.

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« Reply #95 on: September 09, 2009, 06:28:54 PM +0100 »

that online limiting numbers is a real bugger...curse you simbin ! (shakes fist  Tongue ) such a shame we cant have upto 40 cars at some of the great tracks that could easily handle it...sebring, Le Mans etc.  :'(

Car choices aside, it was a good race last night, another corker of a track that suits P&G well. Cool I just would rather have been door to door with a variety of classic gt cars each with their own strengths and weaknesses than 'attack of the nimble clones' that were completely mismatched to my own (and the few that braved it)car choices. Undecided

Ironically the alpine is actually one of my favourite classic rally cars, its a beauty, but never gonna take it knowing there were about 20 other of the buggers on track !  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #96 on: September 09, 2009, 07:04:19 PM +0100 »

I like the two divisions idea. It would be good to race against others of the same high calibre as myself. And we could have a promotion and relegation zones too.
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« Reply #97 on: September 09, 2009, 07:22:19 PM +0100 »

Promotions and relegations idea it's really not bad, if the result is splitting the drivers in 2 servers, that should be good for everybody that want to join your races, and have not a race on who join first the server... By my side, if races will remain only in 1 server I won't allow any other mine teammate to join in your races... VDA drivers are just enough but P&G is a really great mod and the attendance of your races demonstrates that:)

I could ask to my boss if we can use our VDA server too for your races... but I can't assure nothing about that... Let me know if I have to make this attempt Smiley

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« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2009, 08:09:14 PM +0100 »

I had some trouble with lapping cars. No one's fault, but I would slow to let them through in the twisties
(they were invariably Elans or Renault) only to be held up on the following straights, they eventually
pulled out a lead so I could get on with racing the guy in front/behind who were now more
of a threat than before. I could have retaken lapping cars several times, but didn't, was
not a real issue, just an irritation. I don't believe I held any up for more than a couple of turns
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« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2009, 11:43:52 PM +0100 »

Possibly having lost their own space before yourself mate. I know that my connection dropped out in practice & I think Tony's did at the same time, we got back in then as numbers 27 & 28  sweatdrop. Having put the practice time in, I'd have been taz too had it all been a waste.

Yeh, sorry Legzy, it could well have been someone in the same predicament as me. Never mind, lets move on.
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« Reply #100 on: September 10, 2009, 10:00:49 PM +0100 »

   
Hello Guys, and I am delighted to have run and run with you
I really enjoyed yesterday, I'm sorry if I have not replied until now have no messages but did not know until now the possibility of a translator. Greetings to you all hello
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« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2009, 12:05:36 PM +0100 »

Just a point re: 2 divisions, if we try and run two divisions on a single server on one night, we run into the problem that some drivers can't drive early and others can't drive late.  I certainly can't race on a regular basis after 2200 hrs UK time - our bedroom is adjacent to my computer.

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« Reply #102 on: November 24, 2009, 10:49:48 AM +0000 »

Drivers who overspent their seasons Token Allocation.

The following drivers have now had points deducted for overspending their Token budgets:


  • (VDA) MinholoS — advice — Tokens Debt = 2 Tokens — 10.0 championship points
  •  Truetom  —  advice  —  Tokens Debt  =  4 Tokens  — 20.0 championship points

Note - Each overspending driver has been docked points at their final race attended of the series.
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